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  • susannenyrop
    What did I learn during these six weeks ? The six weeks and some months up to this seminar represent an intense period of collaborative inquiry and
    Message 1 of 4 , Mar 7, 2003
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      What did I learn during these six weeks ?
      The six weeks and some months up to this seminar represent
      an intense period of collaborative inquiry and understanding.
      Self evaluations must have a subjective view as a natural follow
      of starting wiht oneself. Peer evaluations are still subjective –
      because you're personally engaged as a peer community
      member. I was amazed about being invited to have a look inside
      the classroom of others, and even interact with students

      I learned some more aspects of the theoretical discourse – but I
      also felt personally embarrassed about knowing too little about
      EFL/ESL pedagogy and CALL theory. This lack of previous
      studies in the field suddenly became a major obstracle for me in
      several situations where I felt I had to read more to follow up on
      discussions - and ended up doing not much, apart from being
      a supporter in sweveral chat sessions. I enjoyed the useful
      summaries, schedules and categories set up for better
      understanding and further reserach and inquiry.

      After all, I realized that education theory has so many different
      interpretations, and that life is not long enough to understand all
      of them. What is more important to me than being a future
      specialist in any field, is to understand in person how others
      manage the paradigm shift in learning that we can possibly
      initiate - because of all our cultural techniques merging into the
      computer – from written text and language arts to images,
      music, voice and all aspects of communication, (not to mention
      3D virtual reality shared at a distance).

      Instead of keeping myself away from difficult and troublesome
      technical constraints, I prefer being invoved and hopefully giving
      some energy with my volunteer work. This is my reason for still
      being a webhead, after all.

      Sus
    • Vance Stevens
      ... Hi everyone. Is it Friday already? In Webheads we don t notice the dates so much because there will always be a next Friday. I went to the Database and
      Message 2 of 4 , Mar 8, 2003
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        --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "susannenyrop"
        <s.nyrop@g...> wrote:
        > What did I learn during these six weeks ?
        > The six weeks and some months up to this seminar represent
        > an intense period of collaborative inquiry and understanding.

        Hi everyone. Is it Friday already? In Webheads we don't notice the
        dates so much because there will always be a next Friday.

        I went to the Database and added comments for the issues posted
        there. As I did so I was struck by three things (1) that not much
        had been entered there, only 2 or 3 records added per item; (2) Sus's
        remark to the effect that 'this is neat! Why haven't we done this
        before?' and (3) Aiden's question, 'what do we tell students who say,
        this isn't really working'?

        The dbase seems to be a case in point. It isn't working not because
        it isn't a GREAT idea but because the herd hasn't caught up with the
        lead cats yet. It is axiomatic that there will always be a lead time
        between an innovation and people's acceptance of it. As Elizabeth
        pointed out, the future holds more technology, not less. Your/our
        efforts to come to grips with the technology may be a little ahead of
        its time, but your students and peers will catch up. At that point,
        you'll be a little ahead of the curve. If you want to control the
        technology and be in position to drive the process from a principled
        perspective instead of being driven by it, then where you are now and
        where you are headed is exactly where you want to be.

        Maybe the dbase in YahooGroups is not the best example of innovation,
        through it is something that I've been using a lot more lately since
        I've discovered it (and it had been there all along). The point is
        that regarding discoveries of this nature, not everyone makes the
        discoveries at the same time. But also, you can be reasonably assured
        that people will make the same discoveries you do, in time.

        So to Aiden's question, it's not that you are on the wrong track,
        it's that the students haven't caught up with you or perhaps as Don
        suggests the interfaces aren't quite right for what you're trying to
        do. All this will improve in time. Meanwhile you can use the
        glitches as opportunities for real communication with students as you
        try to fix this, figure out how to do that. The optimists view is
        that the glass is at least half full and filling.

        Vance
      • glenngo@aol.com
        Dear Webheads, I am a silent member of your group. Please keep me on your mailing list. Thank you! Dave Singer glenngo@aol.com
        Message 3 of 4 , Mar 8, 2003
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          Dear Webheads,
          I am a silent member of your group. Please keep me on your mailing list.
          Thank you!
          Dave Singer
          glenngo@...
        • Rita
          Hi, Vance, Elizabeth, Daf, Sus, Tere, Christine and all Webheads, Above and before anything else, more than thanks. It s mostly members who have received more
          Message 4 of 4 , Mar 9, 2003
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            Hi, Vance, Elizabeth, Daf, Sus, Tere, Christine and all Webheads,

            Above and before anything else, more than thanks. It's mostly members who have received more than contributed to this fabulous congress that should pay reverence to donors. It would take long hours to detail whats and hows, and still the list would be incomplete. For it's not made up of only academic, professional learning, but also, and most valuable, of human and humane experience. Now that this edifying spell is closing, may I humbly quote Vance's words,

            ...."It is axiomatic that there will always be a lead time
            between an innovation and people's acceptance of it. As Elizabeth
            pointed out, the future holds more technology, not less. Your/our
            efforts to come to grips with the technology may be a little ahead of
            its time, but your students and peers will catch up. At that point,
            you'll be a little ahead of the curve.."

            which have uplifted my hopes for a near future. It's already here, among us.
            And I am sure it has been the time for boundary members to receive, learn, and to chew and digest before starting to pass it on. For they would not have chosen to devote the space nor the time to receiving, hadn't they believed in making the effort themselves to give way to accomplishment.
            In the survey I put up in Surveykey at the beginning of week 3, 85 % of the answers proved that many of us are already using CMC tools for educational purposes successfully, while the other 15 % pointed out their students showed no interest in using Chat. The result is encouraging, however "unrealistic" it might prove for some of us ( or most of us...?). As Pope Vance has advanced,

            "The point is
            that regarding discoveries of this nature, not everyone makes the
            discoveries at the same time. But also, you can be reasonably assured
            that people will make the same discoveries you do, in time."

            Most gratefully yours,

            Rita

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