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  • Lesley
    Dear all I ve just received an invitation to join this Facebook Group and I don t think it s legitimate, at least not a legitimate Webheads group:
    Message 1 of 28 , May 6 9:29 PM
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      Dear all

      I've just received an invitation to join this Facebook Group and I don't
      think it's legitimate, at least not a legitimate Webheads group:

      https://www.facebook.com/groups/webheads.onlinecommunityofpractice/

      Most of the posts appear to be by James OReilly, listed as being from
      University of Applied Sciences Ravensburg-Weingarten
      who I think is the person known for posting spam on #ELTchat and other
      Twitter 'forums' as @Collaborative and other alt handles. I can't find
      anything more, but did bring this up in Google:

      Twitter / @eltdigitalplay/James O'Reilly Alts
      Twitter alts used by known edu spammer and Twitter hashtag hijacker
      James O' ... Collaborative

      James OReilly
      Cross-Platform Immersive & Virtual World Consulting - Training -
      Translation German & US English Skype: james.oreilly@...
      He often stalks Graham Stanley online, and others I think.

      If you look at the About page on the Facebook group, it starts off
      sounding quite reasonable, but if you read on, you get to things like
      this:
      A home for geeks and protagonists to queue in-line and rave about
      culture-changing innovations and themes. Dedicated to include those
      techies, visionaries, connectors, champions, and sponsors embracing and
      adopting benchmark innovation diffusion on the roadmap to Singularity.

      We endorse the creation of a globally-scaled Education Grid
      https://www.facebook.com/groups/immersiveworld.educationgrid/

      - How do Educators & Trainers perform if Learning Performers possess a)
      quasi supercomputing power in a b) cybernetic learning structure
      (decentralized power shift)?

      a) Parallelism and Moore's law
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law#Parallelism_and_Moore.27s_law

      - 13 new Quad-Core Intel Ivy Bridge 3D Cube Chips Expected
      http://ow.ly/atfsH
      Does anyone know if this Facebook Group is really a Webheads group? I
      was invited by a real Webhead, but am about to get myself out of there.

      I hope I haven't inadvertently rubbished a legitimate James O'Reilly,
      but the posts on this group don't look like Webheads work to me.

      Regards,
      Lesley





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    • Vance Stevens
      Lesley, Thanks for making us aware of this. You have correctly perceived the situation. James O Reilley, or O Brian as his alter ego on Twitter is known (he
      Message 2 of 28 , May 6 10:17 PM
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        Lesley,

        Thanks for making us aware of this. You have correctly perceived
        the situation. James O'Reilley, or O'Brian as his alter ego on Twitter is
        known (he used to have discussions with himself via these two avatars)
        would make an interesting case study.

        In any event, here is one legitimate Facebook group you are all welcome to
        join
        http://www.facebook.com/groups/webheadsinaction/

        This one is also legitimate but I believe it is a closed group, which is
        why I started the one above:
        http://www.facebook.com/groups/164403233587110/

        I never publicized the one I started (never got around to it). I did NOT
        want to simply add people without their consent, but your mail has given me
        the opportunity to promote both of these "real" webhead groups.

        When I searched on Webheads groups, apart from the 'dark side' one with 333
        members, there was another group with one member. Perhaps that person
        would join us.

        Thanks for helping the community keep its bearings.

        Vance

        On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Lesley <cioccas@...> wrote:

        > **
        >
        >
        > Dear all
        >
        > I've just received an invitation to join this Facebook Group and I don't
        > think it's legitimate, at least not a legitimate Webheads group:
        >
        > https://www.facebook.com/groups/webheads.onlinecommunityofpractice/
        >
        > Most of the posts appear to be by James OReilly, listed as being from
        > University of Applied Sciences Ravensburg-Weingarten
        > who I think is the person known for posting spam on #ELTchat and other
        > Twitter 'forums' as @Collaborative and other alt handles. I can't find
        > anything more, but did bring this up in Google:
        >
        > Twitter / @eltdigitalplay/James O'Reilly Alts
        > Twitter alts used by known edu spammer and Twitter hashtag hijacker
        > James O' ... Collaborative
        >
        > James OReilly
        > Cross-Platform Immersive & Virtual World Consulting - Training -
        > Translation German & US English Skype: james.oreilly@...
        > He often stalks Graham Stanley online, and others I think.
        >
        > If you look at the About page on the Facebook group, it starts off
        > sounding quite reasonable, but if you read on, you get to things like
        > this:
        > A home for geeks and protagonists to queue in-line and rave about
        > culture-changing innovations and themes. Dedicated to include those
        > techies, visionaries, connectors, champions, and sponsors embracing and
        > adopting benchmark innovation diffusion on the roadmap to Singularity.
        >
        > We endorse the creation of a globally-scaled Education Grid
        > https://www.facebook.com/groups/immersiveworld.educationgrid/
        >
        > - How do Educators & Trainers perform if Learning Performers possess a)
        > quasi supercomputing power in a b) cybernetic learning structure
        > (decentralized power shift)?
        >
        > a) Parallelism and Moore's law
        > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law#Parallelism_and_Moore.27s_law
        >
        > - 13 new Quad-Core Intel Ivy Bridge 3D Cube Chips Expected
        > http://ow.ly/atfsH
        > Does anyone know if this Facebook Group is really a Webheads group? I
        > was invited by a real Webhead, but am about to get myself out of there.
        >
        > I hope I haven't inadvertently rubbished a legitimate James O'Reilly,
        > but the posts on this group don't look like Webheads work to me.
        >
        > Regards,
        > Lesley
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
        >
        >



        --
        Vance Stevens
        http://adVancEducation.blogspot.com
        http://vancesdiveblogs.blogspot.com


        [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      • Lesley
        Thanks Vance. I received the invitation from another real member of Webheads and have already alerted her to the fact that this group looks decidedly dodgy!
        Message 3 of 28 , May 6 11:37 PM
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          Thanks Vance.

          I received the invitation from another 'real' member of Webheads and have already alerted her to the fact that this group looks decidedly dodgy! Hopefully we have helped others avoid this group too.

          I've now joined the Facebook group you provided the link for (the open one) - thanks!

          I'll leave it to you to conduct the case study into James O's online behaviour - I've got better things to do with my time :-)

          Cheers,
          Lesley


          --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Vance Stevens <vancestev@...> wrote:
          >
          > Lesley,
          >
          > Thanks for making us aware of this. You have correctly perceived
          > the situation. James O'Reilley, or O'Brian as his alter ego on Twitter is
          > known (he used to have discussions with himself via these two avatars)
          > would make an interesting case study.
          >
          > In any event, here is one legitimate Facebook group you are all welcome to
          > join
          > http://www.facebook.com/groups/webheadsinaction/
          >
          > This one is also legitimate but I believe it is a closed group, which is
          > why I started the one above:
          > http://www.facebook.com/groups/164403233587110/
          >
          > I never publicized the one I started (never got around to it). I did NOT
          > want to simply add people without their consent, but your mail has given me
          > the opportunity to promote both of these "real" webhead groups.
          >
          > When I searched on Webheads groups, apart from the 'dark side' one with 333
          > members, there was another group with one member. Perhaps that person
          > would join us.
          >
          > Thanks for helping the community keep its bearings.
          >
          > Vance
          >
          > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Lesley <cioccas@...> wrote:
          >
          > > **
          > >
          > >
          > > Dear all
          > >
          > > I've just received an invitation to join this Facebook Group and I don't
          > > think it's legitimate, at least not a legitimate Webheads group:
          > >
          > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/webheads.onlinecommunityofpractice/
          > >
          > > Most of the posts appear to be by James OReilly, listed as being from
          > > University of Applied Sciences Ravensburg-Weingarten
          > > who I think is the person known for posting spam on #ELTchat and other
          > > Twitter 'forums' as @Collaborative and other alt handles. I can't find
          > > anything more, but did bring this up in Google:
          > >
          > > Twitter / @eltdigitalplay/James O'Reilly Alts
          > > Twitter alts used by known edu spammer and Twitter hashtag hijacker
          > > James O' ... Collaborative
          > >
          > > James OReilly
          > > Cross-Platform Immersive & Virtual World Consulting - Training -
          > > Translation German & US English Skype: james.oreilly@...
          > > He often stalks Graham Stanley online, and others I think.
          > >
          > > If you look at the About page on the Facebook group, it starts off
          > > sounding quite reasonable, but if you read on, you get to things like
          > > this:
          > > A home for geeks and protagonists to queue in-line and rave about
          > > culture-changing innovations and themes. Dedicated to include those
          > > techies, visionaries, connectors, champions, and sponsors embracing and
          > > adopting benchmark innovation diffusion on the roadmap to Singularity.
          > >
          > > We endorse the creation of a globally-scaled Education Grid
          > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/immersiveworld.educationgrid/
          > >
          > > - How do Educators & Trainers perform if Learning Performers possess a)
          > > quasi supercomputing power in a b) cybernetic learning structure
          > > (decentralized power shift)?
          > >
          > > a) Parallelism and Moore's law
          > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law#Parallelism_and_Moore.27s_law
          > >
          > > - 13 new Quad-Core Intel Ivy Bridge 3D Cube Chips Expected
          > > http://ow.ly/atfsH
          > > Does anyone know if this Facebook Group is really a Webheads group? I
          > > was invited by a real Webhead, but am about to get myself out of there.
          > >
          > > I hope I haven't inadvertently rubbished a legitimate James O'Reilly,
          > > but the posts on this group don't look like Webheads work to me.
          > >
          > > Regards,
          > > Lesley
          > >
          > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          > --
          > Vance Stevens
          > http://adVancEducation.blogspot.com
          > http://vancesdiveblogs.blogspot.com
          >
          >
          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          >
        • Vance Stevens
          James seems to be looking for things to do with his time https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/webheads We can expect this sort of thing until it stops, then
          Message 4 of 28 , May 7 2:24 AM
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            James seems to be looking for things to do with his time
            https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/webheads

            We can expect this sort of thing until it stops, then goes away for a
            while, then comes back

            I'm curious who his 333 Facebook group members are (some of them are
            probably him :-) though there was a time when we were being gamed on his
            multiple Nings which resulted in Facebook friend requests and before you
            knew it you were drawn into his network of other unsuspecting
            professionals, some of whom were interesting and are still in my Facebook
            friends list. Many of these people are into SL as well, where James used
            to hang out, and where we tried to be nice to him.

            Here's a screenshot of the opening salvo
            http://screencast.com/t/MkvlTIhhO

            If not a case study, then mildly entertaining ...

            Vance

            On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Lesley <cioccas@...> wrote:

            > **
            >
            >
            > Thanks Vance.
            >
            > I received the invitation from another 'real' member of Webheads and have
            > already alerted her to the fact that this group looks decidedly dodgy!
            > Hopefully we have helped others avoid this group too.
            >
            > I've now joined the Facebook group you provided the link for (the open
            > one) - thanks!
            >
            > I'll leave it to you to conduct the case study into James O's online
            > behaviour - I've got better things to do with my time :-)
            >
            > Cheers,
            > Lesley
            >
            >
            > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Vance Stevens <vancestev@...>
            > wrote:
            > >
            > > Lesley,
            > >
            > > Thanks for making us aware of this. You have correctly perceived
            > > the situation. James O'Reilley, or O'Brian as his alter ego on Twitter is
            > > known (he used to have discussions with himself via these two avatars)
            > > would make an interesting case study.
            > >
            > > In any event, here is one legitimate Facebook group you are all welcome
            > to
            > > join
            > > http://www.facebook.com/groups/webheadsinaction/
            > >
            > > This one is also legitimate but I believe it is a closed group, which is
            > > why I started the one above:
            > > http://www.facebook.com/groups/164403233587110/
            > >
            > > I never publicized the one I started (never got around to it). I did NOT
            > > want to simply add people without their consent, but your mail has given
            > me
            > > the opportunity to promote both of these "real" webhead groups.
            > >
            > > When I searched on Webheads groups, apart from the 'dark side' one with
            > 333
            > > members, there was another group with one member. Perhaps that person
            > > would join us.
            > >
            > > Thanks for helping the community keep its bearings.
            > >
            > > Vance
            > >
            > > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Lesley <cioccas@...> wrote:
            > >
            > > > **
            >
            > > >
            > > >
            > > > Dear all
            > > >
            > > > I've just received an invitation to join this Facebook Group and I
            > don't
            > > > think it's legitimate, at least not a legitimate Webheads group:
            > > >
            > > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/webheads.onlinecommunityofpractice/
            > > >
            > > > Most of the posts appear to be by James OReilly, listed as being from
            > > > University of Applied Sciences Ravensburg-Weingarten
            > > > who I think is the person known for posting spam on #ELTchat and other
            > > > Twitter 'forums' as @Collaborative and other alt handles. I can't find
            > > > anything more, but did bring this up in Google:
            > > >
            > > > Twitter / @eltdigitalplay/James O'Reilly Alts
            > > > Twitter alts used by known edu spammer and Twitter hashtag hijacker
            > > > James O' ... Collaborative
            > > >
            > > > James OReilly
            > > > Cross-Platform Immersive & Virtual World Consulting - Training -
            > > > Translation German & US English Skype: james.oreilly@...
            >
            > > > He often stalks Graham Stanley online, and others I think.
            > > >
            > > > If you look at the About page on the Facebook group, it starts off
            > > > sounding quite reasonable, but if you read on, you get to things like
            > > > this:
            > > > A home for geeks and protagonists to queue in-line and rave about
            > > > culture-changing innovations and themes. Dedicated to include those
            > > > techies, visionaries, connectors, champions, and sponsors embracing and
            > > > adopting benchmark innovation diffusion on the roadmap to Singularity.
            > > >
            > > > We endorse the creation of a globally-scaled Education Grid
            > > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/immersiveworld.educationgrid/
            > > >
            > > > - How do Educators & Trainers perform if Learning Performers possess a)
            > > > quasi supercomputing power in a b) cybernetic learning structure
            > > > (decentralized power shift)?
            > > >
            > > > a) Parallelism and Moore's law
            > > >
            > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law#Parallelism_and_Moore.27s_law
            > > >
            > > > - 13 new Quad-Core Intel Ivy Bridge 3D Cube Chips Expected
            > > > http://ow.ly/atfsH
            > > > Does anyone know if this Facebook Group is really a Webheads group? I
            > > > was invited by a real Webhead, but am about to get myself out of there.
            > > >
            > > > I hope I haven't inadvertently rubbished a legitimate James O'Reilly,
            > > > but the posts on this group don't look like Webheads work to me.
            > > >
            > > > Regards,
            > > > Lesley
            > > >
            > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > > >
            > > >
            > > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > > --
            > > Vance Stevens
            > > http://adVancEducation.blogspot.com
            > > http://vancesdiveblogs.blogspot.com
            > >
            > >
            > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            > >
            >
            >
            >



            --
            Vance Stevens
            http://adVancEducation.blogspot.com
            http://vancesdiveblogs.blogspot.com


            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          • sue annan
            Hi Vance. The other FB site you mentioned is mine. I started it to keep my Webhead and ELTchat people separated from my family and close friends. It is useful
            Message 5 of 28 , May 7 7:15 AM
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              Hi Vance. The other FB site you mentioned is mine.
              I started it to keep my Webhead and ELTchat people separated from my family
              and close friends.
              It is useful for posting things like the talk that Beyza did yesterday and
              other Webhead matters.
              It is certainly a legitimate site and others are welcome to join it,
              although it tends to be my contacts who use it.
              Cheers
              Sue Annan


              -----Original Message-----
              From: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
              [mailto:evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Vance Stevens
              Sent: 07 May 2012 10:25
              To: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
              Subject: Re: [evonline2002_webheads] Re: New Webheads Online Community of
              Practice on Facebook - is this legitimate???

              James seems to be looking for things to do with his time
              https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/webheads

              We can expect this sort of thing until it stops, then goes away for a while,
              then comes back

              I'm curious who his 333 Facebook group members are (some of them are
              probably him :-) though there was a time when we were being gamed on his
              multiple Nings which resulted in Facebook friend requests and before you
              knew it you were drawn into his network of other unsuspecting professionals,
              some of whom were interesting and are still in my Facebook friends list.
              Many of these people are into SL as well, where James used to hang out, and
              where we tried to be nice to him.

              Here's a screenshot of the opening salvo http://screencast.com/t/MkvlTIhhO

              If not a case study, then mildly entertaining ...

              Vance

              On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:37 AM, Lesley <cioccas@...> wrote:

              > **
              >
              >
              > Thanks Vance.
              >
              > I received the invitation from another 'real' member of Webheads and
              > have already alerted her to the fact that this group looks decidedly
              dodgy!
              > Hopefully we have helped others avoid this group too.
              >
              > I've now joined the Facebook group you provided the link for (the open
              > one) - thanks!
              >
              > I'll leave it to you to conduct the case study into James O's online
              > behaviour - I've got better things to do with my time :-)
              >
              > Cheers,
              > Lesley
              >
              >
              > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Vance Stevens
              > <vancestev@...>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > Lesley,
              > >
              > > Thanks for making us aware of this. You have correctly perceived the
              > > situation. James O'Reilley, or O'Brian as his alter ego on Twitter
              > > is known (he used to have discussions with himself via these two
              > > avatars) would make an interesting case study.
              > >
              > > In any event, here is one legitimate Facebook group you are all
              > > welcome
              > to
              > > join
              > > http://www.facebook.com/groups/webheadsinaction/
              > >
              > > This one is also legitimate but I believe it is a closed group,
              > > which is why I started the one above:
              > > http://www.facebook.com/groups/164403233587110/
              > >
              > > I never publicized the one I started (never got around to it). I did
              > > NOT want to simply add people without their consent, but your mail
              > > has given
              > me
              > > the opportunity to promote both of these "real" webhead groups.
              > >
              > > When I searched on Webheads groups, apart from the 'dark side' one
              > > with
              > 333
              > > members, there was another group with one member. Perhaps that
              > > person would join us.
              > >
              > > Thanks for helping the community keep its bearings.
              > >
              > > Vance
              > >
              > > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Lesley <cioccas@...> wrote:
              > >
              > > > **
              >
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > Dear all
              > > >
              > > > I've just received an invitation to join this Facebook Group and I
              > don't
              > > > think it's legitimate, at least not a legitimate Webheads group:
              > > >
              > > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/webheads.onlinecommunityofpractice
              > > > /
              > > >
              > > > Most of the posts appear to be by James OReilly, listed as being
              > > > from University of Applied Sciences Ravensburg-Weingarten who I
              > > > think is the person known for posting spam on #ELTchat and other
              > > > Twitter 'forums' as @Collaborative and other alt handles. I can't
              > > > find anything more, but did bring this up in Google:
              > > >
              > > > Twitter / @eltdigitalplay/James O'Reilly Alts Twitter alts used by
              > > > known edu spammer and Twitter hashtag hijacker James O' ...
              > > > Collaborative
              > > >
              > > > James OReilly
              > > > Cross-Platform Immersive & Virtual World Consulting - Training -
              > > > Translation German & US English Skype: james.oreilly@...
              >
              > > > He often stalks Graham Stanley online, and others I think.
              > > >
              > > > If you look at the About page on the Facebook group, it starts off
              > > > sounding quite reasonable, but if you read on, you get to things
              > > > like
              > > > this:
              > > > A home for geeks and protagonists to queue in-line and rave about
              > > > culture-changing innovations and themes. Dedicated to include
              > > > those techies, visionaries, connectors, champions, and sponsors
              > > > embracing and adopting benchmark innovation diffusion on the roadmap
              to Singularity.
              > > >
              > > > We endorse the creation of a globally-scaled Education Grid
              > > > https://www.facebook.com/groups/immersiveworld.educationgrid/
              > > >
              > > > - How do Educators & Trainers perform if Learning Performers
              > > > possess a) quasi supercomputing power in a b) cybernetic learning
              > > > structure (decentralized power shift)?
              > > >
              > > > a) Parallelism and Moore's law
              > > >
              > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore%27s_law#Parallelism_and_Moore.27s_l
              > aw
              > > >
              > > > - 13 new Quad-Core Intel Ivy Bridge 3D Cube Chips Expected
              > > > http://ow.ly/atfsH Does anyone know if this Facebook Group is
              > > > really a Webheads group? I was invited by a real Webhead, but am
              > > > about to get myself out of there.
              > > >
              > > > I hope I haven't inadvertently rubbished a legitimate James
              > > > O'Reilly, but the posts on this group don't look like Webheads work to
              me.
              > > >
              > > > Regards,
              > > > Lesley
              > > >
              > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > > >
              > > >
              > > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > --
              > > Vance Stevens
              > > http://adVancEducation.blogspot.com
              > > http://vancesdiveblogs.blogspot.com
              > >
              > >
              > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              > >
              >
              >
              >



              --
              Vance Stevens
              http://adVancEducation.blogspot.com
              http://vancesdiveblogs.blogspot.com


              [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



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            • Vance Stevens
              Hi Sue, You are certainly welcome to maintain a webheads FB site. Your credentials are impeccable, and I think these things just happen on the Internet. In
              Message 6 of 28 , May 7 8:27 AM
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                Hi Sue,

                You are certainly welcome to maintain a webheads FB site. Your credentials
                are impeccable, and I think these things just happen on the Internet. In
                Webheads there is no attempt to control these things, and cats wander where
                they may. Personally I am a member of both groups (but not the third :-)

                It was nice that you came to Beyza's presentation yesterday (thanks to
                Beyza for that interesting research into Webheads, where she highlighted,
                among other things, the importance of lurking). Unfortunately, Learning
                Times was giving us some problems. I think it might have been the LT site
                and not Elluminate. In any event, we learned of several Webheads who tried
                to get in but couldn't. Our apologies to those people.

                I myself was unable to harvest our recording right away. Eventually I got
                there and posted the archive, including the recording, at the Posterous
                Blog: http://learning2gether.posterous.com/

                Next week we have the inimitable Michael Coghlan joining us to talk about
                his part in the upcoming Horizon Report and to encourage us to contribute
                to the discussion. It should be interesting. That will be at 1300 GMT
                next Sunday May 13, and I'll post again closer to the date.

                If anyone else wants to emcee a session please join the wiki and write it
                in. Many are doing that these days (happy to see that :-)

                best to all,
                Vance




                On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:15 PM, sue annan <sue.annan@...> wrote:

                > **
                >
                >
                > Hi Vance. The other FB site you mentioned is mine.
                > I started it to keep my Webhead and ELTchat people separated from my family
                > and close friends.
                > It is useful for posting things like the talk that Beyza did yesterday and
                > other Webhead matters.
                > It is certainly a legitimate site and others are welcome to join it,
                > although it tends to be my contacts who use it.
                > Cheers
                > Sue Annan
                >
                >
                >


                [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              • Evelyn Izquierdo
                Hi dear all, I added some Webhead friends last night thinking it was a legitimate group. I am so sorry. Doris Molero added me two weeks ago too and I was
                Message 7 of 28 , May 7 11:10 AM
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                  Hi dear all,
                  I added some Webhead friends last night thinking it was a legitimate group. I am so sorry. Doris Molero added me two weeks ago too and I was really happy to know, at last,  we would have a FB group. I am so sorry for the confusion. I didn't create the group and didn't find the way to know it because it is not visible there, but I thought Vance had created it. I wonder how I can eliminate all those invitations. 
                  Since, I was really worried reading your recent messages, I inmediately contacted Doris Molero (another Venezuelan Webhead) by the FB chat and she just wrote this: 
                   "Doris Molero, English Professor at Urbe, Added by James OReilly about 2 weeks ago"
                  Oh, My God!!!! I am so sorry about this. I know who he is and know he is not welcome here. I banned him myself on FB. Goshhhhhhhhhh! Terribly sorry and ashamed. :(( Please, let me know how I can eliminate the invitations sent. 
                  Eve


                  Evelyn IzquierdoCátedra de Idiomas ExtranjerosEscuela de EducaciónUniversidad Central de Venezuelahttp://www.ucv.ve http://evelynizquierdo.wordpress.com/Skype: evelyn.izquierdoTwitter: @eveweb

                  --- El lun, 5/7/12, Vance Stevens <vancestev@...> escribió:

                  De: Vance Stevens <vancestev@...>
                  Asunto: Re: [evonline2002_webheads] Re: New Webheads Online Community of Practice on Facebook - is this legitimate???
                  A: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
                  Fecha: lunes, 7 de mayo de 2012, 12:27 pm
















                   









                  Hi Sue,



                  You are certainly welcome to maintain a webheads FB site. Your credentials

                  are impeccable, and I think these things just happen on the Internet. In

                  Webheads there is no attempt to control these things, and cats wander where

                  they may. Personally I am a member of both groups (but not the third :-)



                  It was nice that you came to Beyza's presentation yesterday (thanks to

                  Beyza for that interesting research into Webheads, where she highlighted,

                  among other things, the importance of lurking). Unfortunately, Learning

                  Times was giving us some problems. I think it might have been the LT site

                  and not Elluminate. In any event, we learned of several Webheads who tried

                  to get in but couldn't. Our apologies to those people.



                  I myself was unable to harvest our recording right away. Eventually I got

                  there and posted the archive, including the recording, at the Posterous

                  Blog: http://learning2gether.posterous.com/



                  Next week we have the inimitable Michael Coghlan joining us to talk about

                  his part in the upcoming Horizon Report and to encourage us to contribute

                  to the discussion. It should be interesting. That will be at 1300 GMT

                  next Sunday May 13, and I'll post again closer to the date.



                  If anyone else wants to emcee a session please join the wiki and write it

                  in. Many are doing that these days (happy to see that :-)



                  best to all,

                  Vance



                  On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:15 PM, sue annan <sue.annan@...> wrote:



                  > **

                  >

                  >

                  > Hi Vance. The other FB site you mentioned is mine.

                  > I started it to keep my Webhead and ELTchat people separated from my family

                  > and close friends.

                  > It is useful for posting things like the talk that Beyza did yesterday and

                  > other Webhead matters.

                  > It is certainly a legitimate site and others are welcome to join it,

                  > although it tends to be my contacts who use it.

                  > Cheers

                  > Sue Annan

                  >

                  >

                  >



                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]



























                  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                • Mike
                  Hi All, Don t worry, Evelyn, Facebook works in strange ways, even when you ve mastered all your security settings. I see that I am also a member of the Fake
                  Message 8 of 28 , May 8 9:43 AM
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                    Hi All,

                    Don't worry, Evelyn, Facebook works in strange ways, even when you've mastered all your security settings.

                    I see that I am also a member of the "Fake Webheads" at
                    http://on.fb.me/JbvwWq
                    "Added by Evelyn Izquierdo on Sunday" (today)
                    along with Vance and SO MANY other genuine webheads.

                    Suggestion - why don't we all leave a message on this page before removing ourselves from this group?

                    Vance, would you like to suggest the spirit of the message we could all post before leaving?

                    Mike M.


                    --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Evelyn Izquierdo <izquierdo_evelyn@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hi dear all,
                    > I added some Webhead friends last night thinking it was a legitimate group. I am so sorry. Doris Molero added me two weeks ago too and I was really happy to know, at last,  we would have a FB group. I am so sorry for the confusion. I didn't create the group and didn't find the way to know it because it is not visible there, but I thought Vance had created it. I wonder how I can eliminate all those invitations. 
                    > Since, I was really worried reading your recent messages, I inmediately contacted Doris Molero (another Venezuelan Webhead) by the FB chat and she just wrote this: 
                    >  "Doris Molero, English Professor at Urbe, Added by James OReilly about 2 weeks ago"
                    > Oh, My God!!!! I am so sorry about this. I know who he is and know he is not welcome here. I banned him myself on FB. Goshhhhhhhhhh! Terribly sorry and ashamed. :(( Please, let me know how I can eliminate the invitations sent. 
                    > Eve
                    >
                    >
                    > Evelyn IzquierdoCátedra de Idiomas ExtranjerosEscuela de EducaciónUniversidad Central de Venezuelahttp://www.ucv.ve http://evelynizquierdo.wordpress.com/Skype: evelyn.izquierdoTwitter: @eveweb
                    >
                    > --- El lun, 5/7/12, Vance Stevens <vancestev@...> escribió:
                    >
                    > De: Vance Stevens <vancestev@...>
                    > Asunto: Re: [evonline2002_webheads] Re: New Webheads Online Community of Practice on Facebook - is this legitimate???
                    > A: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
                    > Fecha: lunes, 7 de mayo de 2012, 12:27 pm
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >  
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Hi Sue,
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > You are certainly welcome to maintain a webheads FB site. Your credentials
                    >
                    > are impeccable, and I think these things just happen on the Internet. In
                    >
                    > Webheads there is no attempt to control these things, and cats wander where
                    >
                    > they may. Personally I am a member of both groups (but not the third :-)
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > It was nice that you came to Beyza's presentation yesterday (thanks to
                    >
                    > Beyza for that interesting research into Webheads, where she highlighted,
                    >
                    > among other things, the importance of lurking). Unfortunately, Learning
                    >
                    > Times was giving us some problems. I think it might have been the LT site
                    >
                    > and not Elluminate. In any event, we learned of several Webheads who tried
                    >
                    > to get in but couldn't. Our apologies to those people.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > I myself was unable to harvest our recording right away. Eventually I got
                    >
                    > there and posted the archive, including the recording, at the Posterous
                    >
                    > Blog: http://learning2gether.posterous.com/
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Next week we have the inimitable Michael Coghlan joining us to talk about
                    >
                    > his part in the upcoming Horizon Report and to encourage us to contribute
                    >
                    > to the discussion. It should be interesting. That will be at 1300 GMT
                    >
                    > next Sunday May 13, and I'll post again closer to the date.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > If anyone else wants to emcee a session please join the wiki and write it
                    >
                    > in. Many are doing that these days (happy to see that :-)
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > best to all,
                    >
                    > Vance
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:15 PM, sue annan <sue.annan@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > > **
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > > Hi Vance. The other FB site you mentioned is mine.
                    >
                    > > I started it to keep my Webhead and ELTchat people separated from my family
                    >
                    > > and close friends.
                    >
                    > > It is useful for posting things like the talk that Beyza did yesterday and
                    >
                    > > other Webhead matters.
                    >
                    > > It is certainly a legitimate site and others are welcome to join it,
                    >
                    > > although it tends to be my contacts who use it.
                    >
                    > > Cheers
                    >
                    > > Sue Annan
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
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                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >
                  • Vance
                    Hi Mike and Evelyn and all our good friends at the fake webheads FB list ... Actually, there are so many nice people at the New Webheads page it almost feels
                    Message 9 of 28 , May 10 5:48 AM
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                      Hi Mike and Evelyn and all our good friends at the fake webheads FB list ...

                      Actually, there are so many nice people at the New Webheads page it almost feels like home. I think it would feel even nicer once we've moved to our own home. If you go to the fake group and click on the About tab and then on "more" you see that this is not home, that the websites listed have an agenda.

                      Also, if you visit this link you get another glimpse of JO'R's modus operandi - https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%40vances

                      Twitter is ephemeral so this is meaningless in the grand scheme, but it lets you visit the soul that is behind this FB page.

                      On Oct 23, 2010 I wrote this to our Grouply list (I can't find it archived on this webheads list)

                      My apologies to all concerned but we are educators here. We have had amicable dealings with one another since Webheads was formed in 1998, and there has never been any trouble of the kind that James O'Reilly has caused us. We have tried to reason with him. Any attempt at that redoubles the rejoinders from him. In a recent Skype conversation where I was multitasking (I was giving a presentation at the time) I had to stop chatting with him to focus on my presentation, and when I checked back an hour later I found he had sent me 65 messages full of links and arguments and counter-arguments, and you can imagine I had no time to read them let alone click on each link, so I turned off the source by asking Skype to deliver no more messages from him.

                      I appreciate Antonella's kind attempts to reason again with him, but I find that possibly half the members here have dealt with the problem by turning off individual emails and Grouply digests. What we want to avoid, what we have no time to deal with, is the kind of endless debate that James has started here now, where rancor emerges, and one person refuses to back down, and essentially poisons the sharing spirit and conversational nature of the list where the people there have spent years together successfully and productively interacting with one another.

                      Productive is the key element here. This list should be devoted to what helps us learn. James sends us message after message that no one responds to. Taken together they would make a lovely blog which people could visit if interested, but as graffiti on someone else's space, it becomes counter-productive. That is, it detracts from our learning. No one is interested, many have made that clear, no one here has said otherwise nor engaged James in conversation in our lists. We either switch it off, or we ask nicely for it to stop, or we ignore it and tolerate it. We are all reasonable people. We find ways to cope while keeping the community together.

                      Only James does not understand that. He clearly does not care about us. He does not share our values, he does not understand how we learn from one another. He responds to our patient explanations of what he is doing to us with more of what he is doing to us.

                      He takes from us our most treasured asset, our time. This is time we wish to devote to helping one another to learn. James seems to have endless time for destroying that. I don't understand why he insists on investing his valuable time with us, where nothing of benefit results, instead of finding his own receptive audience. Clearly this is not it. And what the moderator must do in this circumstance is clear as well.

                      Sorry to have had to take the time to write this, but I hope we can all get back to more productive endeavors from now, with no further disputes of this nature.

                      -------------------------------------

                      What was clear at the time was to evict him from the Webheads list. If you search our Webheads messages list for "eurominuteman" you'll see why we had to remove him. He does not respond well to such things.

                      Mike asks what we should write when leaving his FB group if you wish to do that. I would say write from the heart. Each of us is an individual, we'll each respond to this in our own way.

                      Whichever group we find ourselves on in FB, we will make it better, and there is not much to prevent people like James O'Reilly from trying to spoil our efforts, except to let him be himself and expose himself for what he is, as compared to the good in those he tries to obstruct.

                      Vance



                      --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <marzio-school@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Hi All,
                      >
                      > Don't worry, Evelyn, Facebook works in strange ways, even when you've mastered all your security settings.
                      >
                      > I see that I am also a member of the "Fake Webheads" at
                      > http://on.fb.me/JbvwWq
                      > "Added by Evelyn Izquierdo on Sunday" (today)
                      > along with Vance and SO MANY other genuine webheads.
                      >
                      > Suggestion - why don't we all leave a message on this page before removing ourselves from this group?
                      >
                      > Vance, would you like to suggest the spirit of the message we could all post before leaving?
                      >
                      > Mike M.
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Evelyn Izquierdo <izquierdo_evelyn@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Hi dear all,
                      > > I added some Webhead friends last night thinking it was a legitimate group. I am so sorry. Doris Molero added me two weeks ago too and I was really happy to know, at last,  we would have a FB group. I am so sorry for the confusion. I didn't create the group and didn't find the way to know it because it is not visible there, but I thought Vance had created it. I wonder how I can eliminate all those invitations. 
                      > > Since, I was really worried reading your recent messages, I inmediately contacted Doris Molero (another Venezuelan Webhead) by the FB chat and she just wrote this: 
                      > >  "Doris Molero, English Professor at Urbe, Added by James OReilly about 2 weeks ago"
                      > > Oh, My God!!!! I am so sorry about this. I know who he is and know he is not welcome here. I banned him myself on FB. Goshhhhhhhhhh! Terribly sorry and ashamed. :(( Please, let me know how I can eliminate the invitations sent. 
                      > > Eve
                    • Mike
                      Words of wisdom from Vance. I would have expected nothing less. I m going to attempt to leave my own message and also attempt to unlike this snake oil
                      Message 10 of 28 , May 10 7:39 AM
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                        Words of wisdom from Vance. I would have expected nothing less.

                        I'm going to attempt to leave my own message and also attempt to "unlike" this snake oil salesman.

                        Mike M.

                        --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Vance" <vancestev@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Hi Mike and Evelyn and all our good friends at the fake webheads FB list ...
                        >
                        > Actually, there are so many nice people at the New Webheads page it almost feels like home. I think it would feel even nicer once we've moved to our own home. If you go to the fake group and click on the About tab and then on "more" you see that this is not home, that the websites listed have an agenda.
                        >
                        > Also, if you visit this link you get another glimpse of JO'R's modus operandi - https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%40vances
                        >
                        > Twitter is ephemeral so this is meaningless in the grand scheme, but it lets you visit the soul that is behind this FB page.
                        >
                        > On Oct 23, 2010 I wrote this to our Grouply list (I can't find it archived on this webheads list)
                        >
                        > My apologies to all concerned but we are educators here. We have had amicable dealings with one another since Webheads was formed in 1998, and there has never been any trouble of the kind that James O'Reilly has caused us. We have tried to reason with him. Any attempt at that redoubles the rejoinders from him. In a recent Skype conversation where I was multitasking (I was giving a presentation at the time) I had to stop chatting with him to focus on my presentation, and when I checked back an hour later I found he had sent me 65 messages full of links and arguments and counter-arguments, and you can imagine I had no time to read them let alone click on each link, so I turned off the source by asking Skype to deliver no more messages from him.
                        >
                        > I appreciate Antonella's kind attempts to reason again with him, but I find that possibly half the members here have dealt with the problem by turning off individual emails and Grouply digests. What we want to avoid, what we have no time to deal with, is the kind of endless debate that James has started here now, where rancor emerges, and one person refuses to back down, and essentially poisons the sharing spirit and conversational nature of the list where the people there have spent years together successfully and productively interacting with one another.
                        >
                        > Productive is the key element here. This list should be devoted to what helps us learn. James sends us message after message that no one responds to. Taken together they would make a lovely blog which people could visit if interested, but as graffiti on someone else's space, it becomes counter-productive. That is, it detracts from our learning. No one is interested, many have made that clear, no one here has said otherwise nor engaged James in conversation in our lists. We either switch it off, or we ask nicely for it to stop, or we ignore it and tolerate it. We are all reasonable people. We find ways to cope while keeping the community together.
                        >
                        > Only James does not understand that. He clearly does not care about us. He does not share our values, he does not understand how we learn from one another. He responds to our patient explanations of what he is doing to us with more of what he is doing to us.
                        >
                        > He takes from us our most treasured asset, our time. This is time we wish to devote to helping one another to learn. James seems to have endless time for destroying that. I don't understand why he insists on investing his valuable time with us, where nothing of benefit results, instead of finding his own receptive audience. Clearly this is not it. And what the moderator must do in this circumstance is clear as well.
                        >
                        > Sorry to have had to take the time to write this, but I hope we can all get back to more productive endeavors from now, with no further disputes of this nature.
                        >
                        > -------------------------------------
                        >
                        > What was clear at the time was to evict him from the Webheads list. If you search our Webheads messages list for "eurominuteman" you'll see why we had to remove him. He does not respond well to such things.
                        >
                        > Mike asks what we should write when leaving his FB group if you wish to do that. I would say write from the heart. Each of us is an individual, we'll each respond to this in our own way.
                        >
                        > Whichever group we find ourselves on in FB, we will make it better, and there is not much to prevent people like James O'Reilly from trying to spoil our efforts, except to let him be himself and expose himself for what he is, as compared to the good in those he tries to obstruct.
                        >
                        > Vance
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <marzio-school@> wrote:
                        > >
                        > > Hi All,
                        > >
                        > > Don't worry, Evelyn, Facebook works in strange ways, even when you've mastered all your security settings.
                        > >
                        > > I see that I am also a member of the "Fake Webheads" at
                        > > http://on.fb.me/JbvwWq
                        > > "Added by Evelyn Izquierdo on Sunday" (today)
                        > > along with Vance and SO MANY other genuine webheads.
                        > >
                        > > Suggestion - why don't we all leave a message on this page before removing ourselves from this group?
                        > >
                        > > Vance, would you like to suggest the spirit of the message we could all post before leaving?
                        > >
                        > > Mike M.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Evelyn Izquierdo <izquierdo_evelyn@> wrote:
                        > > >
                        > > > Hi dear all,
                        > > > I added some Webhead friends last night thinking it was a legitimate group. I am so sorry. Doris Molero added me two weeks ago too and I was really happy to know, at last,  we would have a FB group. I am so sorry for the confusion. I didn't create the group and didn't find the way to know it because it is not visible there, but I thought Vance had created it. I wonder how I can eliminate all those invitations. 
                        > > > Since, I was really worried reading your recent messages, I inmediately contacted Doris Molero (another Venezuelan Webhead) by the FB chat and she just wrote this: 
                        > > >  "Doris Molero, English Professor at Urbe, Added by James OReilly about 2 weeks ago"
                        > > > Oh, My God!!!! I am so sorry about this. I know who he is and know he is not welcome here. I banned him myself on FB. Goshhhhhhhhhh! Terribly sorry and ashamed. :(( Please, let me know how I can eliminate the invitations sent. 
                        > > > Eve
                        >
                      • Evelyn Izquierdo
                        Dear Vance, Mike and all dear Webhead friends, I appreciate all your sweet messages and see that everybody is clear about what happened. What a relief!
                        Message 11 of 28 , May 10 8:01 AM
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                          Dear Vance, Mike and all dear Webhead friends,
                          I appreciate all your sweet messages and see that everybody is clear about what happened. What a relief! Webheads are bound together, we stick to each other as candies; so, we will keep the same spirit wherever we are. I just wonder, Vance, why don't we use the FB group you already created with Beyza? I didn't know it existed until you replied to my message on Facebook. It might be a closed group. Administrators decide who joins or not.  Think about it. ;))
                          Hugs to all,
                          Evelyn IzquierdoCátedra de Idiomas ExtranjerosEscuela de EducaciónUniversidad Central de Venezuelahttp://www.ucv.ve http://evelynizquierdo.wordpress.com/Skype: evelyn.izquierdoTwitter: @eveweb
                          --- El jue, 5/10/12, Mike <marzio-school@...> escribió:

                          De: Mike <marzio-school@...>
                          Asunto: [evonline2002_webheads] Re: New Webheads Online Community ... - is this legitimate??? (I am so sorry)
                          A: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
                          Fecha: jueves, 10 de mayo de 2012, 11:39 am
















                           









                          Words of wisdom from Vance. I would have expected nothing less.



                          I'm going to attempt to leave my own message and also attempt to "unlike" this snake oil salesman.



                          Mike M.



                          --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Vance" <vancestev@...> wrote:

                          >

                          > Hi Mike and Evelyn and all our good friends at the fake webheads FB list ...

                          >

                          > Actually, there are so many nice people at the New Webheads page it almost feels like home. I think it would feel even nicer once we've moved to our own home. If you go to the fake group and click on the About tab and then on "more" you see that this is not home, that the websites listed have an agenda.

                          >

                          > Also, if you visit this link you get another glimpse of JO'R's modus operandi - https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%40vances

                          >

                          > Twitter is ephemeral so this is meaningless in the grand scheme, but it lets you visit the soul that is behind this FB page.

                          >

                          > On Oct 23, 2010 I wrote this to our Grouply list (I can't find it archived on this webheads list)

                          >

                          > My apologies to all concerned but we are educators here. We have had amicable dealings with one another since Webheads was formed in 1998, and there has never been any trouble of the kind that James O'Reilly has caused us. We have tried to reason with him. Any attempt at that redoubles the rejoinders from him. In a recent Skype conversation where I was multitasking (I was giving a presentation at the time) I had to stop chatting with him to focus on my presentation, and when I checked back an hour later I found he had sent me 65 messages full of links and arguments and counter-arguments, and you can imagine I had no time to read them let alone click on each link, so I turned off the source by asking Skype to deliver no more messages from him.

                          >

                          > I appreciate Antonella's kind attempts to reason again with him, but I find that possibly half the members here have dealt with the problem by turning off individual emails and Grouply digests. What we want to avoid, what we have no time to deal with, is the kind of endless debate that James has started here now, where rancor emerges, and one person refuses to back down, and essentially poisons the sharing spirit and conversational nature of the list where the people there have spent years together successfully and productively interacting with one another.

                          >

                          > Productive is the key element here. This list should be devoted to what helps us learn. James sends us message after message that no one responds to. Taken together they would make a lovely blog which people could visit if interested, but as graffiti on someone else's space, it becomes counter-productive. That is, it detracts from our learning. No one is interested, many have made that clear, no one here has said otherwise nor engaged James in conversation in our lists. We either switch it off, or we ask nicely for it to stop, or we ignore it and tolerate it. We are all reasonable people. We find ways to cope while keeping the community together.

                          >

                          > Only James does not understand that. He clearly does not care about us. He does not share our values, he does not understand how we learn from one another. He responds to our patient explanations of what he is doing to us with more of what he is doing to us.

                          >

                          > He takes from us our most treasured asset, our time. This is time we wish to devote to helping one another to learn. James seems to have endless time for destroying that. I don't understand why he insists on investing his valuable time with us, where nothing of benefit results, instead of finding his own receptive audience. Clearly this is not it. And what the moderator must do in this circumstance is clear as well.

                          >

                          > Sorry to have had to take the time to write this, but I hope we can all get back to more productive endeavors from now, with no further disputes of this nature.

                          >

                          > -------------------------------------

                          >

                          > What was clear at the time was to evict him from the Webheads list. If you search our Webheads messages list for "eurominuteman" you'll see why we had to remove him. He does not respond well to such things.

                          >

                          > Mike asks what we should write when leaving his FB group if you wish to do that. I would say write from the heart. Each of us is an individual, we'll each respond to this in our own way.

                          >

                          > Whichever group we find ourselves on in FB, we will make it better, and there is not much to prevent people like James O'Reilly from trying to spoil our efforts, except to let him be himself and expose himself for what he is, as compared to the good in those he tries to obstruct.

                          >

                          > Vance

                          >

                          >

                          >

                          > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <marzio-school@> wrote:

                          > >

                          > > Hi All,

                          > >

                          > > Don't worry, Evelyn, Facebook works in strange ways, even when you've mastered all your security settings.

                          > >

                          > > I see that I am also a member of the "Fake Webheads" at

                          > > http://on.fb.me/JbvwWq

                          > > "Added by Evelyn Izquierdo on Sunday" (today)

                          > > along with Vance and SO MANY other genuine webheads.

                          > >

                          > > Suggestion - why don't we all leave a message on this page before removing ourselves from this group?

                          > >

                          > > Vance, would you like to suggest the spirit of the message we could all post before leaving?

                          > >

                          > > Mike M.

                          > >

                          > >

                          > > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Evelyn Izquierdo <izquierdo_evelyn@> wrote:

                          > > >

                          > > > Hi dear all,

                          > > > I added some Webhead friends last night thinking it was a legitimate group. I am so sorry. Doris Molero added me two weeks ago too and I was really happy to know, at last,  we would have a FB group. I am so sorry for the confusion. I didn't create the group and didn't find the way to know it because it is not visible there, but I thought Vance had created it. I wonder how I can eliminate all those invitations. 

                          > > > Since, I was really worried reading your recent messages, I inmediately contacted Doris Molero (another Venezuelan Webhead) by the FB chat and she just wrote this: 

                          > > >  "Doris Molero, English Professor at Urbe, Added by James OReilly about 2 weeks ago"

                          > > > Oh, My God!!!! I am so sorry about this. I know who he is and know he is not welcome here. I banned him myself on FB. Goshhhhhhhhhh! Terribly sorry and ashamed. :(( Please, let me know how I can eliminate the invitations sent. 

                          > > > Eve

                          >



























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                        • Dr. Elizabeth Hanson-Smith
                          Hi Evelyn-- I had no trouble just taking myself out of contact with O Reilly s Fb page. So, no harm, no foul! However, I don t think I want to join yet another
                          Message 12 of 28 , May 10 11:11 AM
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                            Hi Evelyn--
                            I had no trouble just taking myself out of contact with O'Reilly's Fb page. So, no harm, no foul!
                            However, I don't think I want to join yet another group, even for the Webheads! I use Fb mainly for family and very close friends, so it is filled with pictures on my grandchild and kids, notes on family travel, shared political rants, medical woes, etc. I wouldn't want to link to all that from a professional group, which is what I consider the Webheads, even though many of you are also dear friends, and do know members of my family.
                            I love our list - keep up the good posting, everyone!
                            --Elizabeth HS


                            --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Evelyn Izquierdo <izquierdo_evelyn@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Dear Vance, Mike and all dear Webhead friends,
                            > I appreciate all your sweet messages and see that everybody is clear about what happened. What a relief! Webheads are bound together, we stick to each other as candies; so, we will keep the same spirit wherever we are. I just wonder, Vance, why don't we use the FB group you already created with Beyza? I didn't know it existed until you replied to my message on Facebook. It might be a closed group. Administrators decide who joins or not.  Think about it. ;))
                            > Hugs to all,
                            > Evelyn Izquierdo
                          • ayattawel
                            Hi Vance and all dear friends, After reading all your posts about that illegitimate webheads group and how you ve been familiar with that behviour of that
                            Message 13 of 28 , May 11 4:17 AM
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                              Hi Vance and all dear friends,
                              After reading all your posts about that illegitimate webheads group and how you've been familiar with that behviour of that person before, I had to leave that illegitimate group, which I joined a few weeks ago when I found many webheads there !!!
                              As Vance suggested , each of us can just say what he wants when leaving the group, so I wrote " Will have to leave this group, which is not the real Webheads one !! :(" as I didn't want to go more in details than that !! Do you see anything wrong with that !??
                              However, I got about 6 messages from him (writing and editing) and that's his final reply:
                              "I disagree with your implications, the legacy Webheads are the ones, who fanfare and astroturf in the context of non-accountability - obviously a basic assumption centered in education corruption. I do agree that you should GET OFF this list if you can't identify with sustainable and quality-driven, bona-fide basic assumptions. You are welcome to join again, when you have sorted out the real McCoy."
                              Oh, wow !! Was my sentence that bad for him ?? To tell you the truth, I was irritated when I read this reply !!:(. I just expected that he will ignore it as I saw Evelyn had posted a stronger one about the illegitimacy of the group before with replies from her friends that I thought might provoke him more !!!!!!! How rude he is!!
                              Sorry to waste your time about that again !! but I had to say it out !!
                              Ayat

                              --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <marzio-school@...> wrote:
                              >
                              > Words of wisdom from Vance. I would have expected nothing less.
                              >
                              > I'm going to attempt to leave my own message and also attempt to "unlike" this snake oil salesman.
                              >
                              > Mike M.
                              >
                              > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Vance" <vancestev@> wrote:
                              > >
                              > > Hi Mike and Evelyn and all our good friends at the fake webheads FB list ...
                              > >
                              > > Actually, there are so many nice people at the New Webheads page it almost feels like home. I think it would feel even nicer once we've moved to our own home. If you go to the fake group and click on the About tab and then on "more" you see that this is not home, that the websites listed have an agenda.
                              > >
                              > > Also, if you visit this link you get another glimpse of JO'R's modus operandi - https://twitter.com/#!/search/realtime/%40vances
                              > >
                              > > Twitter is ephemeral so this is meaningless in the grand scheme, but it lets you visit the soul that is behind this FB page.
                              > >
                              > > On Oct 23, 2010 I wrote this to our Grouply list (I can't find it archived on this webheads list)
                              > >
                              > > My apologies to all concerned but we are educators here. We have had amicable dealings with one another since Webheads was formed in 1998, and there has never been any trouble of the kind that James O'Reilly has caused us. We have tried to reason with him. Any attempt at that redoubles the rejoinders from him. In a recent Skype conversation where I was multitasking (I was giving a presentation at the time) I had to stop chatting with him to focus on my presentation, and when I checked back an hour later I found he had sent me 65 messages full of links and arguments and counter-arguments, and you can imagine I had no time to read them let alone click on each link, so I turned off the source by asking Skype to deliver no more messages from him.
                              > >
                              > > I appreciate Antonella's kind attempts to reason again with him, but I find that possibly half the members here have dealt with the problem by turning off individual emails and Grouply digests. What we want to avoid, what we have no time to deal with, is the kind of endless debate that James has started here now, where rancor emerges, and one person refuses to back down, and essentially poisons the sharing spirit and conversational nature of the list where the people there have spent years together successfully and productively interacting with one another.
                              > >
                              > > Productive is the key element here. This list should be devoted to what helps us learn. James sends us message after message that no one responds to. Taken together they would make a lovely blog which people could visit if interested, but as graffiti on someone else's space, it becomes counter-productive. That is, it detracts from our learning. No one is interested, many have made that clear, no one here has said otherwise nor engaged James in conversation in our lists. We either switch it off, or we ask nicely for it to stop, or we ignore it and tolerate it. We are all reasonable people. We find ways to cope while keeping the community together.
                              > >
                              > > Only James does not understand that. He clearly does not care about us. He does not share our values, he does not understand how we learn from one another. He responds to our patient explanations of what he is doing to us with more of what he is doing to us.
                              > >
                              > > He takes from us our most treasured asset, our time. This is time we wish to devote to helping one another to learn. James seems to have endless time for destroying that. I don't understand why he insists on investing his valuable time with us, where nothing of benefit results, instead of finding his own receptive audience. Clearly this is not it. And what the moderator must do in this circumstance is clear as well.
                              > >
                              > > Sorry to have had to take the time to write this, but I hope we can all get back to more productive endeavors from now, with no further disputes of this nature.
                              > >
                              > > -------------------------------------
                              > >
                              > > What was clear at the time was to evict him from the Webheads list. If you search our Webheads messages list for "eurominuteman" you'll see why we had to remove him. He does not respond well to such things.
                              > >
                              > > Mike asks what we should write when leaving his FB group if you wish to do that. I would say write from the heart. Each of us is an individual, we'll each respond to this in our own way.
                              > >
                              > > Whichever group we find ourselves on in FB, we will make it better, and there is not much to prevent people like James O'Reilly from trying to spoil our efforts, except to let him be himself and expose himself for what he is, as compared to the good in those he tries to obstruct.
                              > >
                              > > Vance
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Mike" <marzio-school@> wrote:
                              > > >
                              > > > Hi All,
                              > > >
                              > > > Don't worry, Evelyn, Facebook works in strange ways, even when you've mastered all your security settings.
                              > > >
                              > > > I see that I am also a member of the "Fake Webheads" at
                              > > > http://on.fb.me/JbvwWq
                              > > > "Added by Evelyn Izquierdo on Sunday" (today)
                              > > > along with Vance and SO MANY other genuine webheads.
                              > > >
                              > > > Suggestion - why don't we all leave a message on this page before removing ourselves from this group?
                              > > >
                              > > > Vance, would you like to suggest the spirit of the message we could all post before leaving?
                              > > >
                              > > > Mike M.
                              > > >
                              > > >
                              > > > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Evelyn Izquierdo <izquierdo_evelyn@> wrote:
                              > > > >
                              > > > > Hi dear all,
                              > > > > I added some Webhead friends last night thinking it was a legitimate group. I am so sorry. Doris Molero added me two weeks ago too and I was really happy to know, at last,  we would have a FB group. I am so sorry for the confusion. I didn't create the group and didn't find the way to know it because it is not visible there, but I thought Vance had created it. I wonder how I can eliminate all those invitations. 
                              > > > > Since, I was really worried reading your recent messages, I inmediately contacted Doris Molero (another Venezuelan Webhead) by the FB chat and she just wrote this: 
                              > > > >  "Doris Molero, English Professor at Urbe, Added by James OReilly about 2 weeks ago"
                              > > > > Oh, My God!!!! I am so sorry about this. I know who he is and know he is not welcome here. I banned him myself on FB. Goshhhhhhhhhh! Terribly sorry and ashamed. :(( Please, let me know how I can eliminate the invitations sent. 
                              > > > > Eve
                              > >
                              >
                            • Maria D
                              Hi Ayat, It made me smile to read what JOR had written in answer to your message. So typical of the tone and content of his discourse that it is almost
                              Message 14 of 28 , May 11 7:17 AM
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                                Hi Ayat,

                                It made me smile to read what JOR had written in answer to your message. So typical of the tone and content of his discourse that it is almost pitiful! I may sound harsh but I've witnessed Vance's (and other webheads') attempts to reason with this person and can tell that it is a lost cause. So I'd say not to worry and just ignore him. That's what I do with him - and his countless invitations to join this or that group.

                                Kind regards,
                                Mary

                                --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "ayattawel" <tooty5979@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Hi Vance and all dear friends,
                                > After reading all your posts about that illegitimate webheads group and how you've been familiar with that behviour of that person before, I had to leave that illegitimate group, which I joined a few weeks ago when I found many webheads there !!!
                                > As Vance suggested , each of us can just say what he wants when leaving the group, so I wrote " Will have to leave this group, which is not the real Webheads one !! :(" as I didn't want to go more in details than that !! Do you see anything wrong with that !??
                                > However, I got about 6 messages from him (writing and editing) and that's his final reply:
                                > "I disagree with your implications, the legacy Webheads are the ones, who fanfare and astroturf in the context of non-accountability - obviously a basic assumption centered in education corruption. I do agree that you should GET OFF this list if you can't identify with sustainable and quality-driven, bona-fide basic assumptions. You are welcome to join again, when you have sorted out the real McCoy."
                                > Oh, wow !! Was my sentence that bad for him ?? To tell you the truth, I was irritated when I read this reply !!:(. I just expected that he will ignore it as I saw Evelyn had posted a stronger one about the illegitimacy of the group before with replies from her friends that I thought might provoke him more !!!!!!! How rude he is!!
                                > Sorry to waste your time about that again !! but I had to say it out !!
                                > Ayat
                                >
                                >
                              • frenchbob2001
                                I can understand that you wish to keep your real world separate from Webheads. Why not open another FB account - just use a different email address. Then you
                                Message 15 of 28 , May 11 8:54 AM
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                                  I can understand that you wish to keep your real world separate from Webheads. Why not open another FB account - just use a different email address. Then you can be personal and professional.

                                  I have a 2nd FB identity just for companies that say they will give me stuff if I 'like' them. No problem - it works.

                                  Bob

                                  --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Elizabeth Hanson-Smith" <ehansonsmi@...> wrote:
                                  >
                                  > Hi Evelyn--
                                  > I had no trouble just taking myself out of contact with O'Reilly's Fb page. So, no harm, no foul!
                                  > However, I don't think I want to join yet another group, even for the Webheads! I use Fb mainly for family and very close friends, so it is filled with pictures on my grandchild and kids, notes on family travel, shared political rants, medical woes, etc. I wouldn't want to link to all that from a professional group, which is what I consider the Webheads, even though many of you are also dear friends, and do know members of my family.
                                  > I love our list - keep up the good posting, everyone!
                                  > --Elizabeth HS
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Evelyn Izquierdo <izquierdo_evelyn@> wrote:
                                  > >
                                  > > Dear Vance, Mike and all dear Webhead friends,
                                  > > I appreciate all your sweet messages and see that everybody is clear about what happened. What a relief! Webheads are bound together, we stick to each other as candies; so, we will keep the same spirit wherever we are. I just wonder, Vance, why don't we use the FB group you already created with Beyza? I didn't know it existed until you replied to my message on Facebook. It might be a closed group. Administrators decide who joins or not.  Think about it. ;))
                                  > > Hugs to all,
                                  > > Evelyn Izquierdo
                                  >
                                • Mike
                                  Hi Ayat, Thanks for sharing that. This guy is obviously deranged. A serious nut case. Worse than I had thought. And it reminds me of why I suggested a mass
                                  Message 16 of 28 , May 11 9:47 AM
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                                    Hi Ayat,

                                    Thanks for sharing that. This guy is obviously deranged. A serious nut case. Worse than I had thought.

                                    And it reminds me of why I suggested a mass consensus reply from all the webheads who were/are his fans - to show that the entire genuine Webheads community has got his number, as opposed to a couple of isolated members.

                                    On the other hand, since this guy seems insane, there's probably no point in any attempt at communication.

                                    > Sorry to waste your time...

                                    Me too!

                                    Mike M.




                                    (snip)
                                    > However, I got about 6 messages from him (writing and editing) and that's his final reply:
                                    > "I disagree with your implications, the legacy Webheads are the ones, who fanfare and astroturf in the context of non-accountability - obviously a basic assumption centered in education corruption. I do agree that you should GET OFF this list if you can't identify with sustainable and quality-driven, bona-fide basic assumptions. You are welcome to join again, when you have sorted out the real McCoy."
                                    > Oh, wow !! Was my sentence that bad for him ?? To tell you the truth, I was irritated when I read this reply !!:(. I just expected that he will ignore it as I saw Evelyn had posted a stronger one about the illegitimacy of the group before with replies from her friends that I thought might provoke him more !!!!!!! How rude he is!!
                                    > Sorry to waste your time about that again !! but I had to say it out !!
                                    > Ayat
                                    (snip)
                                  • Andreas Auwärter
                                    Hi all webheads, first a thank to you all for this warning. I was really wondering why i got added to a group named new webheads unasked and anyhow not
                                    Message 17 of 28 , May 11 12:21 PM
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                                      Hi all webheads,
                                      first a thank to you all for this warning. I was really wondering why i got added to a group named new webheads unasked and anyhow not discussed through the web. And - this is my really personal opinion, Vance you took the responsibility and action i can completely understand.

                                      I also thought about my action potential and took the consequence to leave this fb-group. Anyhow i remembered there is an short period of unfortunate history james share with the webheads - and I got aware i got added through a lot of groups by him. I seems that our mister JoR has to share a lot, it flushes my mail accounts completely. But anyhow he shared some things with sense for me. Anyhow its not me to judge ... . Anyhow it isn't useful to use a million channels to deliver the same data-assets at once.

                                      Warm regards from Coblence - or K-Town Germany and I hope soon I can share more meaningful things with you or ask you some technical questions.
                                      Andreas

                                      Am 11.05.2012 um 13:17 schrieb ayattawel:

                                      > Hi Vance and all dear friends,
                                      > After reading all your posts about that illegitimate webheads group and how you've been familiar with that behviour of that person before, I had to leave that illegitimate group, which I joined a few weeks ago when I found many webheads there !!!
                                      ----
                                    • Dafne
                                      I simply left the group silently, in the same way he added me without my permision. I had my share of problems trying to dialogue with him some time ago and I
                                      Message 18 of 28 , May 11 12:38 PM
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                                        I simply left the group silently, in the same way he added me without my permision. I had my share of problems trying to dialogue with him some time ago and I learned my lesson. I also deleted him from my friends list.
                                         
                                        Cheers,
                                        Daf
                                         
                                         


                                        ________________________________
                                        From: Andreas Auwärter <dkauwaer@...>
                                        To: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
                                        Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 9:21 PM
                                        Subject: Re: [evonline2002_webheads] New Webheads Online Community ... - is this legitimate??? (I am so sorry)



                                         

                                        Hi all webheads,
                                        first a thank to you all for this warning. I was really wondering why i got added to a group named new webheads unasked and anyhow not discussed through the web. And - this is my really personal opinion, Vance you took the responsibility and action i can completely understand.

                                        I also thought about my action potential and took the consequence to leave this fb-group. Anyhow i remembered there is an short period of unfortunate history james share with the webheads - and I got aware i got added through a lot of groups by him. I seems that our mister JoR has to share a lot, it flushes my mail accounts completely. But anyhow he shared some things with sense for me. Anyhow its not me to judge ... . Anyhow it isn't useful to use a million channels to deliver the same data-assets at once.

                                        Warm regards from Coblence - or K-Town Germany and I hope soon I can share more meaningful things with you or ask you some technical questions.
                                        Andreas

                                        Am 11.05.2012 um 13:17 schrieb ayattawel:

                                        > Hi Vance and all dear friends,
                                        > After reading all your posts about that illegitimate webheads group and how you've been familiar with that behviour of that person before, I had to leave that illegitimate group, which I joined a few weeks ago when I found many webheads there !!!
                                        ----




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                                      • Barbara Dieu
                                        ... Same here. B. -- Barbara Dieu http://barbaradieu.com http://beespace.net [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                        Message 19 of 28 , May 11 12:43 PM
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                                          >I simply left the group silently.
                                          Same here.
                                          B.


                                          --
                                          Barbara Dieu
                                          http://barbaradieu.com
                                          http://beespace.net


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                                        • Michael Coghlan
                                          Bob - what kind of free stuff do you get?? Curious..... - Michael ... From: frenchbob2001 To:
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                                            Bob - what kind of free stuff do you get?? Curious.....

                                            - Michael

                                            ------ Original Message ------
                                            From: "frenchbob2001" <frenchbob2001@...>
                                            To: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
                                            Sent: 12/05/2012 1:24:05 AM
                                            Subject: [evonline2002_webheads] Re: New Webheads Online Community ...
                                            - is this legitimate??? (I am so sorry)
                                            > I can understand that you wish to keep your real world separate from
                                            >Webheads. Why not open another FB account - just use a different email
                                            >address. Then you can be personal and professional.
                                            >
                                            >I have a 2nd FB identity just for companies that say they will give me
                                            >stuff if I 'like' them. No problem - it works.
                                            >
                                            >Bob
                                            >


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                                          • frenchbob2001
                                            You are welcome to check it out my name is bob stuff . I mainly get computer programs to try out - some I keep some are not so good! Bob
                                            Message 21 of 28 , May 13 2:00 PM
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                                              You are welcome to check it out my name is 'bob stuff'. I mainly get computer programs to try out - some I keep some are not so good!

                                              Bob

                                              --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Coghlan" <michaelc@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Bob - what kind of free stuff do you get?? Curious.....
                                              >
                                              > - Michael
                                              >
                                              > ------ Original Message ------
                                              > From: "frenchbob2001" <frenchbob2001@...>
                                              > To: evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
                                              > Sent: 12/05/2012 1:24:05 AM
                                              > Subject: [evonline2002_webheads] Re: New Webheads Online Community ...
                                              > - is this legitimate??? (I am so sorry)
                                              > > I can understand that you wish to keep your real world separate from
                                              > >Webheads. Why not open another FB account - just use a different email
                                              > >address. Then you can be personal and professional.
                                              > >
                                              > >I have a 2nd FB identity just for companies that say they will give me
                                              > >stuff if I 'like' them. No problem - it works.
                                              > >
                                              > >Bob
                                              > >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                              >
                                            • Vance
                                              Apologies for prolonging this, but I managed to find a little time to go proactive. I noticed increased activity emanating from James s Twitter account and
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                                                Apologies for prolonging this, but I managed to find a little time to go proactive. I noticed increased activity emanating from James's Twitter account and was shocked when I went to source to see the extent that he or his bot are churning out so much spam and attacking dear colleagues and tags associated with all our learning endeavors.

                                                I visited this link
                                                https://support.twitter.com/groups/33-report-a-violation/topics/122-reporting-violations/articles/64986-how-to-report-spam-on-twitter#
                                                on reporting spam on Twitter and discovered that James can be reported in such a way that it will trigger a Twitter Trust and Safety Team review of the offending account.

                                                I wonder if I could ask Webheads on this list to go to his profile at https://twitter.com/#!/Collaborative and pull down the arrow next to the 'head' icon and report the account for spam.

                                                I don't know what else will work. I reported it, which blocks him from @mention or @replying me, and when I checked my interactions I was pleased to see that he had disappeared entirely from my connect stream but when I checked everyone ELSE's view at
                                                https://twitter.com/#!/search/%40vances I found it was only MY view that was cleaned up.

                                                But before discovering that, I made a screencast of what I could find of James's spam tweeting. The reason I did that is because Twitter leaves no record of past history. When he has deliberately tried to clutter people's education-related sites in the past, we can cluck our tongues but we have no tangible evidence of inethical behavior of which I am aware. So I made this brief archive: http://screencast.com/t/A4wavrvI

                                                James has been a problem no matter what we do. If he becomes a part of a group he sends out disruptive messages from within the group without relating them to group activies or interests. When asked to stop, he becomes argumentive, always accompanied by a redoubling of links (on groupthink, accountability) and when he is removed from the group then he keeps up the attacks through abuse of social networks, reminding us why we removed him in the first place.

                                                He's a problem that can't be avoided, and I'm sure if we manage to put a stop to his spam from one Twitter account, he'll just create another. But I hope if he's reported and if his actions are documented, then we'll have a better chance of maintaining our community and ideals against the only force that's ever sought to disrupt what we achieve from working amicably together.

                                                best,
                                                Vance


                                                --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Dieu <beeonline@...> wrote:
                                                >
                                                > >I simply left the group silently.
                                                > Same here.
                                                > B.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > --
                                                > Barbara Dieu
                                                > http://barbaradieu.com
                                                > http://beespace.net
                                                >
                                                >
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                                                >
                                              • Vance
                                                Again, sorry to be again addressing this tedious matter, but it helps me in communicating to this group to move carefully and also to think of proactive steps
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                                                  Again, sorry to be again addressing this tedious matter, but it helps me in communicating to this group to move carefully and also to think of proactive steps which will help achieve resolution of our problem.

                                                  I have read the twitter rules of service more carefully and I think we are within our rights to file a stronger complaint than simply clicking on an option in a pull down menu. Specifically, where twitter says:

                                                  If being spammed, report it here:
                                                  https://support.twitter.com/articles/64986-how-to-report-spam-on-twitter

                                                  It also says:

                                                  "If you're experiencing an issue of spam or malware that's impacting your ability to use our service, please file a support request."

                                                  Accordingly I have filed this support request
                                                  http://screencast.com/t/Hvzs1eNcr
                                                  which says ...

                                                  I have reported the user @collaborative via the pulldown on his profile but it says at the Twitter help pages "If you're experiencing an issue of spam or malware that's impacting your ability to use our service, please file a support request." This is indeed the case. This user is committing the following violations: Abusing the @reply or @mention function to post unwanted messages to users and Repeatedly posting duplicate updates.

                                                  As can be seen when you visit his page https://twitter.com/#!/collaborative all his tweets are maliciously directed at the users of the #tags and @mentions he targets. These are in every case educators and tags used by these educators to further their collaborative learning endeavors. If you visit the #tags via Twitter search you will see the nature of the sharing that is being attempted through use of these tags, and that the impact of James O'Reilly's tweet attacks are jarring, inappropriate, and decidedly meant to disrupt.

                                                  This is where the educators concerned are "experiencing an issue of spam or malware that's impacting your ability to use our service" and if you agree that the user is violating Twitter's terms of service it would be of great benefit to the work the the serious educators impacted if this malicious Twitter profile could be removed.

                                                  Thank you,
                                                  VanceS


                                                  Apart from the satisfaction of doing something positive about the situation and not simply being the silent and unempowered victim of social media abuse, I think it might help if others impacted would take similar measures and echo their support either by pulling down and clicking to report the violations as explained here:
                                                  https://support.twitter.com/articles/64986-how-to-report-spam-on-twitter

                                                  or by filing corroborating support requests,

                                                  ^V^

                                                  --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Vance" <vancestev@...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > I hope if he's reported and if his actions are documented, then we'll have a better chance of maintaining our community and ideals against the only force that's ever sought to disrupt what we achieve from working amicably together.
                                                  >
                                                  > best,
                                                  > Vance
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                • Mike
                                                  Hi All, I think it is obvious that we should follow Vance s lead, and all of us should make the same complaint to Twitter - in our own words, or by using
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , May 25 11:19 AM
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                                                    Hi All,

                                                    I think it is obvious that we should follow Vance's lead, and all of us should make the same complaint to Twitter - in our own words, or by using Vance's text as a guide.

                                                    Many of you will remember, nearly 3 years ago when my Facebook account got hacked, when some weirdo was pretending to be me, having made a mirror of my Facebook page, contacting many of you as if this person were me, and asking you to send money (!) to help me out because I was supposedly stranded in Africa, etc, etc...

                                                    This was such a nightmare that I wrote a message here on the good old YGroup, and at least 50 Webheads lodged a complaint with Facebook in my favor. It took Facebook 2 long months to react, but they finally shut down the hacker's mirror account of my own.

                                                    Twitter might be as slow as FB to react in this case. And I'm sure FB reacted only because they received so many messages on the same subject concerning the same user.

                                                    There IS stength in unity. We can and must fight back no matter how tedious it all seems. We all just have to do it, following Vance's "instructions" below.

                                                    My 2 cents,

                                                    Mike M.



                                                    --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Vance" <vancestev@...> wrote:
                                                    >
                                                    > Again, sorry to be again addressing this tedious matter, but it helps me in communicating to this group to move carefully and also to think of proactive steps which will help achieve resolution of our problem.
                                                    >
                                                    > I have read the twitter rules of service more carefully and I think we are within our rights to file a stronger complaint than simply clicking on an option in a pull down menu. Specifically, where twitter says:
                                                    >
                                                    > If being spammed, report it here:
                                                    > https://support.twitter.com/articles/64986-how-to-report-spam-on-twitter
                                                    >
                                                    > It also says:
                                                    >
                                                    > "If you're experiencing an issue of spam or malware that's impacting your ability to use our service, please file a support request."
                                                    >
                                                    > Accordingly I have filed this support request
                                                    > http://screencast.com/t/Hvzs1eNcr
                                                    > which says ...
                                                    >
                                                    > I have reported the user @collaborative via the pulldown on his profile but it says at the Twitter help pages "If you're experiencing an issue of spam or malware that's impacting your ability to use our service, please file a support request." This is indeed the case. This user is committing the following violations: Abusing the @reply or @mention function to post unwanted messages to users and Repeatedly posting duplicate updates.
                                                    >
                                                    > As can be seen when you visit his page https://twitter.com/#!/collaborative all his tweets are maliciously directed at the users of the #tags and @mentions he targets. These are in every case educators and tags used by these educators to further their collaborative learning endeavors. If you visit the #tags via Twitter search you will see the nature of the sharing that is being attempted through use of these tags, and that the impact of James O'Reilly's tweet attacks are jarring, inappropriate, and decidedly meant to disrupt.
                                                    >
                                                    > This is where the educators concerned are "experiencing an issue of spam or malware that's impacting your ability to use our service" and if you agree that the user is violating Twitter's terms of service it would be of great benefit to the work the the serious educators impacted if this malicious Twitter profile could be removed.
                                                    >
                                                    > Thank you,
                                                    > VanceS
                                                    >
                                                    >
                                                    > Apart from the satisfaction of doing something positive about the situation and not simply being the silent and unempowered victim of social media abuse, I think it might help if others impacted would take similar measures and echo their support either by pulling down and clicking to report the violations as explained here:
                                                    > https://support.twitter.com/articles/64986-how-to-report-spam-on-twitter
                                                    >
                                                    > or by filing corroborating support requests,
                                                    >
                                                    > ^V^
                                                    >
                                                    > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Vance" <vancestev@> wrote:
                                                    > >
                                                    > > I hope if he's reported and if his actions are documented, then we'll have a better chance of maintaining our community and ideals against the only force that's ever sought to disrupt what we achieve from working amicably together.
                                                    > >
                                                    > > best,
                                                    > > Vance
                                                    > >
                                                    > >
                                                    >
                                                  • nina.lyulkun@gmail.com
                                                    *Dear Vance **and Mike**, I ve done that already. Thank you for letting us know how to do that and being that proactive, Vance. Have a nice weekend. Nina * ...
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , May 25 12:04 PM
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                                                      *Dear Vance **and Mike**,

                                                      I've done that already.

                                                      Thank you for letting us know how to do that and being that proactive,
                                                      Vance.

                                                      Have a nice weekend.
                                                      Nina
                                                      *
                                                      On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Mike <marzio-school@...> wrote:

                                                      > Hi All,
                                                      >
                                                      > I think it is obvious that we should follow Vance's lead, and all of us
                                                      > should make the same complaint to Twitter - in our own words, or by using
                                                      > Vance's text as a guide.
                                                      >
                                                      > Many of you will remember, nearly 3 years ago when my Facebook account got
                                                      > hacked, when some weirdo was pretending to be me, having made a mirror of
                                                      > my Facebook page, contacting many of you as if this person were me, and
                                                      > asking you to send money (!) to help me out because I was supposedly
                                                      > stranded in Africa, etc, etc...
                                                      >
                                                      > This was such a nightmare that I wrote a message here on the good old
                                                      > YGroup, and at least 50 Webheads lodged a complaint with Facebook in my
                                                      > favor. It took Facebook 2 long months to react, but they finally shut down
                                                      > the hacker's mirror account of my own.
                                                      >
                                                      > Twitter might be as slow as FB to react in this case. And I'm sure FB
                                                      > reacted only because they received so many messages on the same subject
                                                      > concerning the same user.
                                                      >
                                                      > There IS stength in unity. We can and must fight back no matter how
                                                      > tedious it all seems. We all just have to do it, following Vance's
                                                      > "instructions" below.
                                                      >
                                                      > My 2 cents,
                                                      >
                                                      > Mike M.
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Vance" <vancestev@...>
                                                      > wrote:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Again, sorry to be again addressing this tedious matter, but it helps me
                                                      > in communicating to this group to move carefully and also to think of
                                                      > proactive steps which will help achieve resolution of our problem.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > I have read the twitter rules of service more carefully and I think we
                                                      > are within our rights to file a stronger complaint than simply clicking on
                                                      > an option in a pull down menu. Specifically, where twitter says:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > If being spammed, report it here:
                                                      > > https://support.twitter.com/articles/64986-how-to-report-spam-on-twitter
                                                      > >
                                                      > > It also says:
                                                      > >
                                                      > > "If you're experiencing an issue of spam or malware that's impacting
                                                      > your ability to use our service, please file a support request."
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Accordingly I have filed this support request
                                                      > > http://screencast.com/t/Hvzs1eNcr
                                                      > > which says ...
                                                      > >
                                                      > > I have reported the user @collaborative via the pulldown on his profile
                                                      > but it says at the Twitter help pages "If you're experiencing an issue of
                                                      > spam or malware that's impacting your ability to use our service, please
                                                      > file a support request." This is indeed the case. This user is committing
                                                      > the following violations: Abusing the @reply or @mention function to post
                                                      > unwanted messages to users and Repeatedly posting duplicate updates.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > As can be seen when you visit his page
                                                      > https://twitter.com/#!/collaborative all his tweets are maliciously
                                                      > directed at the users of the #tags and @mentions he targets. These are in
                                                      > every case educators and tags used by these educators to further their
                                                      > collaborative learning endeavors. If you visit the #tags via Twitter search
                                                      > you will see the nature of the sharing that is being attempted through use
                                                      > of these tags, and that the impact of James O'Reilly's tweet attacks are
                                                      > jarring, inappropriate, and decidedly meant to disrupt.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > This is where the educators concerned are "experiencing an issue of spam
                                                      > or malware that's impacting your ability to use our service" and if you
                                                      > agree that the user is violating Twitter's terms of service it would be of
                                                      > great benefit to the work the the serious educators impacted if this
                                                      > malicious Twitter profile could be removed.
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Thank you,
                                                      > > VanceS
                                                      > >
                                                      > >
                                                      > > Apart from the satisfaction of doing something positive about the
                                                      > situation and not simply being the silent and unempowered victim of social
                                                      > media abuse, I think it might help if others impacted would take similar
                                                      > measures and echo their support either by pulling down and clicking to
                                                      > report the violations as explained here:
                                                      > > https://support.twitter.com/articles/64986-how-to-report-spam-on-twitter
                                                      > >
                                                      > > or by filing corroborating support requests,
                                                      > >
                                                      > > ^V^
                                                      > >
                                                      > > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Vance" <vancestev@>
                                                      > wrote:
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > I hope if he's reported and if his actions are documented, then we'll
                                                      > have a better chance of maintaining our community and ideals against the
                                                      > only force that's ever sought to disrupt what we achieve from working
                                                      > amicably together.
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > > best,
                                                      > > > Vance
                                                      > > >
                                                      > > >
                                                      >


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                                                    • Nina Liakos
                                                      Thanks for the suggestion, Vance. I ve done it.
                                                      Message 26 of 28 , Jun 1, 2012
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                                                        Thanks for the suggestion, Vance. I've done it.

                                                        --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, "Vance" <vancestev@...> wrote:
                                                        >
                                                        > Apologies for prolonging this, ...
                                                        >
                                                        > I wonder if I could ask Webheads on this list to go to his profile at https://twitter.com/#!/Collaborative and pull down the arrow next to the 'head' icon and report the account for spam.
                                                        >
                                                      • Teresa Almeida d'Eca
                                                        Same here, Vance. Nice weekend, everyone! Hugs, Teresa ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                                        Message 27 of 28 , Jun 2, 2012
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                                                          Same here, Vance.

                                                          Nice weekend, everyone!

                                                          Hugs, Teresa



                                                          On 02-06-2012 0:18, Nina Liakos wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          > Thanks for the suggestion, Vance. I've done it.
                                                          >
                                                          > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
                                                          > <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>, "Vance"
                                                          > <vancestev@...> wrote:
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Apologies for prolonging this, ...
                                                          > >
                                                          > > I wonder if I could ask Webheads on this list to go to his profile
                                                          > at https://twitter.com/#!/Collaborative and pull down the arrow next
                                                          > to the 'head' icon and report the account for spam.
                                                          >



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                                                        • nina.lyulkun@gmail.com
                                                          *I did it some days ago.* * * *See you tomorrow at Learning2gether.* * * *The best,* *Nina * On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Teresa Almeida d Eca ... * *
                                                          Message 28 of 28 , Jun 2, 2012
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                                                            *I did it some days ago.*
                                                            *
                                                            *
                                                            *See you tomorrow at Learning2gether.*
                                                            *
                                                            *
                                                            *The best,*
                                                            *Nina
                                                            *
                                                            On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Teresa Almeida d'Eca
                                                            <teresadeca@...>wrote:

                                                            > **
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > Same here, Vance.
                                                            > Nice weekend, everyone!
                                                            > Hugs, Teresa
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > On 02-06-2012 0:18, Nina Liakos wrote:
                                                            > >
                                                            > > Thanks for the suggestion, Vance. I've done it.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com
                                                            > > <mailto:evonline2002_webheads%40yahoogroups.com>, "Vance"
                                                            > > <vancestev@...> wrote:
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Apologies for prolonging this, ...
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > I wonder if I could ask Webheads on this list to go to his profile
                                                            > > at https://twitter.com/#!/Collaborative and pull down the arrow next
                                                            > > to the 'head' icon and report the account for spam.
                                                            >
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