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  • Barbara Dieu
    ... This is because workbooks  sequence the learning units this way and pre-decide what is important for them to know first  notwithstanding students
    Message 1 of 26 , Nov 9, 2011
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      > Intermediate level students can often tell you about their jobs, commute, family, etc, but when you ask them to describe their favorite food in English and especially when you ask them how to make it, they find this English challenging.

      This is because workbooks  sequence the learning units this way and
      pre-decide what is important for them to know first  notwithstanding
      students' personal interests or needs. None of my students work, let
      alone commute but, from what I have just discovered, many enjoy
      cooking and eating.

      >They may know nouns like table, plate, spoon, but do they know nouns like bowl, oven, spatula, recipe? They may know verbs like cook, bake, fry, but do they know verbs like stir, slice, mix...
      > In truth, our students will probably not need a lot of this vocabulary very much and that is why skills for talking about cooking may develop later in their English learning development.

      Again...same thing....who decides what they will need or not?
      Anglo-Saxon publishers?
      To exemplify: many of the words the students used in the video were
      not  even mentioned in class. They went after them in their need to
      describe the action they were performing. Should we restrict them on
      the grounds it's not useful vocabulary?

      >It is doubtful how often they will use the word "spatula"
      Spatula  is a word of Latin origin and the same word is used in
      Portuguese so they have absolutely no problem with it. I suppose in
      China it may seem superfluous, but here I am sure they did not even
      bother to check whether the word existed in English.

      >we shouldn't fault them for not knowing it and perhaps we shouldn't even bother really teaching it.
      Nobody here would fault them for not knowing - we applaud them for
      including new words they feel like using. In the instructions I gave
      them I said they would be marked on the wealth of vocabulary used to
      describe their actions. So it's their responsibility to look for what
      they need - I cannot predict what recipe they will choose.

      However, David, I understand the point you are trying to make : try
      to be efficient in your teaching and focus on high frequency words
      instead of going into details and do not penalize them for not knowing
      more than you taught them.

      Best regards,
      B.

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      Barbara Dieu
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    • edtec2002
      Hi, Bee, I can t resist commenting that I, too, was very impressed with your students videos. Thanks so much for sharing. Chris Jones
      Message 2 of 26 , Nov 9, 2011
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        Hi, Bee,

        I can't resist commenting that I, too, was very impressed with your students videos. Thanks so much for sharing.

        Chris Jones

        --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Dieu <beeonline@...> wrote:
        >
        > Two weeks ago my 12-13-year olds had a unit on cooking and recipes. We
        > had loads of fun discussing preferences in class and for homework I
        > asked them to get in pairs and make a video of themselves preparing a
        > recipe. I gave them a rough plan of what I wanted to see (so they
        > would use the vocabulary and structures they had learnt).
        >
        > I was impressed with the results and their "aisance" before the camera
        > and in the kitchen. The cakes and cookies they brought to class when
        > they showed their film were yummy as well. Try the Queen of Sheba
        > (Reine de Saba) cake recipe (two words they did not know in English
        > and they use in the film: maizena is corn starch and castanha do pará
        > is Brazil nuts)
        >
        > Two groups have already posted their recipes on YouTube so sharing
        > them with you.
        >
        > Lance and Juan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTgdUl2iSsU
        > Sophie and Laura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-r5ukgZc9I
        >
        > Warm regards from Brazil,
        > B.
        >
        >
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        > Barbara Dieu
        > http://barbaradieu.com
        > http://beespace.net
        >
      • Barbara Dieu
        Thank you, Chris. Long time no hear! B. -- Barbara Dieu http://barbaradieu.com http://beespace.net
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          Thank you, Chris.
          Long time no hear!
          B.


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        • Luiz Reikdal
          Hey, I ve been watching the videos on YouTube! They are yummy! I ve given them some feedback! So inspiring... I might start teaching at school next year where
          Message 4 of 26 , Nov 10, 2011
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            Hey, I've been watching the videos on YouTube! They are yummy!
            I've given them some feedback! So inspiring...
            I might start teaching at school next year where they teach English through/with technology, puppetry, storytelling and cooking! And guess what? I'll try some of the recipes from your "ELT chefs" ;)
            Barbara, have you seen this book "Not Just Hamburgers" by Virginia Klie? It is awesome!!!! Loads of recipes, both in English and Portuguese. Worth taking a look! I have a hunch you are a great cook as well, arent't you? LOL

            Take care and congratulations on the FANTABULOUS job!!!!!!
            ;)
            Luiz Reikdal
            @ELTtech
          • Barbara Dieu
            Thank you for the comments on the kids videos, Luiz and your book recommendation. I will check it out :-) I have listed all the video links I have already
            Message 5 of 26 , Nov 10, 2011
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              Thank you for the comments on the kids' videos, Luiz and your book
              recommendation. I will check it out :-)

              I have listed all the video links I have already received from them on one
              page, together with the plan I gave them in case any of you want to
              reproduce it (and improve on it)
              http://lycee.wordpress.com/projects/videos/cooking/

              Best regards,
              B.

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            • Maria D
              Thanks, Clair! I talked to our students yesterday and they are quite interested in the idea. Because of the time of year for us, they ll be doing this from
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                Thanks, Clair! I talked to our students yesterday and they are quite interested in the idea. Because of the time of year for us, they'll be doing this from home, so we looked at how to enter the blog and post comments. The thing is that they're in a younger age band (13 to 15, at secondary school)Your students might find their comments a bit childish :-) Anyway, I'm sure they'll love the experience of getting in touch with people who are so far away.

                Cheers,
                Mary

                --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, ClairMichelle Taylor <clairmichelletaylor@...> wrote:
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                > Hi Mary,
                >
                > Thanks for taking a look at their project! 
                > They are freshman students, mostly aged 19, at a Japanese university:
                > http://www.tyg.jp/
                > They are all human sciences majors - many want to become school counsellors or sports coaches. They are a nice group - lots of shy but lovely students. 
                > I will try to get a photo up on the site.
                >
                > Clair
                >
                > I love your project! Although we are about to finish the school year here in Argentina, I know one of our groups will be delighted to post their comments. I wonder if you can give me some background information about your students - ours are very curious and I'm sure they'll want to know as much as possible about them.
                >
                > Thanks!
                > Mary
                >
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              • Bohdana Navratilova
                Great videos, very inspiring. Bohdana
                Message 7 of 26 , Nov 10, 2011
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                  Great videos, very inspiring.
                  Bohdana

                  --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Dieu <beeonline@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Two weeks ago my 12-13-year olds had a unit on cooking and recipes. We
                  > had loads of fun discussing preferences in class and for homework I
                  > asked them to get in pairs and make a video of themselves preparing a
                  > recipe. I gave them a rough plan of what I wanted to see (so they
                  > would use the vocabulary and structures they had learnt).
                  >
                  > I was impressed with the results and their "aisance" before the camera
                  > and in the kitchen. The cakes and cookies they brought to class when
                  > they showed their film were yummy as well. Try the Queen of Sheba
                  > (Reine de Saba) cake recipe (two words they did not know in English
                  > and they use in the film: maizena is corn starch and castanha do pará
                  > is Brazil nuts)
                  >
                  > Two groups have already posted their recipes on YouTube so sharing
                  > them with you.
                  >
                  > Lance and Juan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTgdUl2iSsU
                  > Sophie and Laura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-r5ukgZc9I
                  >
                  > Warm regards from Brazil,
                  > B.
                  >
                  >
                  > --
                  > Barbara Dieu
                  > http://barbaradieu.com
                  > http://beespace.net
                  >
                • ClairMichelle Taylor
                  Thanks! Japanese students tend to be young for their age, so I m sure they will be pleased with whatever comments they get! They hadn t done anything like
                  Message 8 of 26 , Nov 10, 2011
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                    Thanks! Japanese students tend to be 'young' for their age, so I'm sure they will be pleased with whatever comments they get! They hadn't done anything like this until this semester so it is all exciting and new for them.

                    Clair




                     
                    Thanks, Clair! I talked to our students yesterday and they are quite interested in the idea. Because of the time of year for us, they'll be doing this from home, so we looked at how to enter the blog and post comments. The thing is that they're in a younger age band (13 to 15, at secondary school)Your students might find their comments a bit childish :-) Anyway, I'm sure they'll love the experience of getting in touch with people who are so far away.



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