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  • Maria D
    My congratulations to your students and especially to you. It s a teacher s dream to be able to engage students in such a way that they can come up with
    Message 1 of 26 , Nov 6, 2011
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      My congratulations to your students and especially to you. It's a teacher's dream to be able to engage students in such a way that they can come up with products like these.

      Mary

      --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Dieu <beeonline@...> wrote:
      >
      > Two weeks ago my 12-13-year olds had a unit on cooking and recipes. We
      > had loads of fun discussing preferences in class and for homework I
      > asked them to get in pairs and make a video of themselves preparing a
      > recipe. I gave them a rough plan of what I wanted to see (so they
      > would use the vocabulary and structures they had learnt).
      >
      > I was impressed with the results and their "aisance" before the camera
      > and in the kitchen. The cakes and cookies they brought to class when
      > they showed their film were yummy as well. Try the Queen of Sheba
      > (Reine de Saba) cake recipe (two words they did not know in English
      > and they use in the film: maizena is corn starch and castanha do par�
      > is Brazil nuts)
      >
      > Two groups have already posted their recipes on YouTube so sharing
      > them with you.
      >
      > Lance and Juan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTgdUl2iSsU
      > Sophie and Laura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-r5ukgZc9I
      >
      > Warm regards from Brazil,
      > B.
      >
      >
      > --
      > Barbara Dieu
      > http://barbaradieu.com
      > http://beespace.net
      >
    • Carla arena
      Dear Bee, Fantastic work! I tried to leave a comment to the boys, but got an error. Will try later on, but here s what I wanted to tell them: Dear Lance and
      Message 2 of 26 , Nov 6, 2011
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        Dear Bee,

        Fantastic work!

        I tried to leave a comment to the boys, but got an error. Will try later
        on, but here's what I wanted to tell them:

        Dear Lance and Juan,

        Because of your inspiring video with a yummy recipe, I went to the
        supermarket with my kids, we bought the ingredients that were missing, and
        we tried out your recipe tonight for the whole family's delight! The cake
        turned out perfect with a wonderful taste and softness. Thanks for sharing
        your family's recipe with us. Here you can see the result of our
        indulgence: http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlaarena/tags/reinedesaba/

        Cheers from Brasilia,
        Carla

        This project reminds me of a podcast one I had with my students in which we
        taught how to make Easter Eggs:
        http://sambaefl.podomatic.com/entry/2006-04-09T03_32_09-07_00

        Lots of fun and learning, plus cooking as a bonus.

        Thanks for sharing it with us, Bee!

        Carla
        EVO Coordinating Team
        Digital Tools with Purpose Team

        http://evo-training.pbworks.com

        xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
        http://collablogatorium.blogspot.com
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        On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 6:47 AM, Barbara Dieu <beeonline@...> wrote:

        > **
        >
        >
        > Two weeks ago my 12-13-year olds had a unit on cooking and recipes. We
        > had loads of fun discussing preferences in class and for homework I
        > asked them to get in pairs and make a video of themselves preparing a
        > recipe. I gave them a rough plan of what I wanted to see (so they
        > would use the vocabulary and structures they had learnt).
        >
        > I was impressed with the results and their "aisance" before the camera
        > and in the kitchen. The cakes and cookies they brought to class when
        > they showed their film were yummy as well. Try the Queen of Sheba
        > (Reine de Saba) cake recipe (two words they did not know in English
        > and they use in the film: maizena is corn starch and castanha do pará
        > is Brazil nuts)
        >
        > Two groups have already posted their recipes on YouTube so sharing
        > them with you.
        >
        > Lance and Juan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTgdUl2iSsU
        > Sophie and Laura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-r5ukgZc9I
        >
        > Warm regards from Brazil,
        > B.
        >
        >


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      • Barbara Dieu
        Thank you for all your comments on my stds performance - I will transmit them to them. The teacher is but a facilitator. They are the main actors :-) More may
        Message 3 of 26 , Nov 7, 2011
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          Thank you for all your comments on my stds performance - I will
          transmit them to them. The teacher is but a facilitator. They are the
          main actors :-)
          More may follow on YouTube , now that some of you have written
          comments. It'll be their first experience in posting to the Open Web.

          Warm regards,
          B.


          --
          Barbara Dieu
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        • Michael Coghlan
          In addition to what Dave has already said, these videos also show how skilled, self-assured and confident some young people are in creating this kind of media.
          Message 4 of 26 , Nov 7, 2011
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            In addition to what Dave has already said, these
            videos also show how skilled, self-assured and
            confident some young people are in creating this
            kind of media. Imagine what they'll be able to
            produce 10 years from now. And imagine hundreds
            and thousands of young people with this level of
            media literacy across the planet creating videos
            for assignments, eportfolios, entertainment,
            political and social commentary, socialising, etc

            I see a different world coming!

            - Michael

            ----------

            At 02:28 PM 6/11/2011, you wrote:
            >
            >
            >What Barbara has done by having her students produce their own English
            >videos of how to cook something is fantastic in so many different ways. If
            >only all teaching could be done like this!
            >
            >1. This is real English communication. The students have to use real English
            >to communicate. It is not "learning" English or "memorizing" word lists and
            >getting "drilled" and "tested". Our students don't learn English for
            >"drills" and "tests". They learn English for communication.
            >
            >2. This kind of teaching connects directly to the students emotions. It is
            >an experience. This kind of teaching that connects the words to the emotions
            >of the students makes it much easier for students to remember, "acquire" as
            >Krashen would call it. "Flour", "bowl", "margarine" and "batter" are just
            >some abstract vocabulary. But when you have just baked a cake using those
            >words you can begin to smell it and you remember the words "icing" and how
            >about a little "whipped cream" on top??? Yum! Research on how most teaching
            >fails in this regard can be found here:
            ><http://mindhacks.com/2011/10/24/make-study-more-effective-the-easy-way/>http://mindhacks.com/2011/10/24/make-study-more-effective-the-easy-way/
            >
            >3. This kind of assignment produces a product that will be reviewed again
            >and again by the student, his friends, his parents and even strangers. It's
            >hard to get students to review and study past quizzes and assignments but
            >this kind of thing will be more fun for the student and his buddies to watch
            >than Lady Gaga's latest music video.
            >
            >Dave Kees
            >
            >


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          • Barbara Dieu
            ... Cupcakes and brownies to you! Some more recipes trickling in :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozUABm6ZPK0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM_a_TgtTSo B.
            Message 5 of 26 , Nov 7, 2011
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              >I see a different world coming!
              Cupcakes and brownies to you!
              Some more recipes trickling in :-)

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozUABm6ZPK0
              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM_a_TgtTSo

              B.
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            • ClairMichelle Taylor
              Hello, If any of your classes are learning about illness/injury my low intermediate students have just written their scar stories . They d love for students
              Message 6 of 26 , Nov 7, 2011
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                Hello,
                If any of your classes are learning about illness/injury my low intermediate students have just written their 'scar stories'. They'd love for students in another country to comment on their posts, and be happy to return the favor.

                http://togakun9.posterous.com/?page=2


                They aren't as exciting as B's recipe videos, but some of the stories are pretty interesting.

                Best, clair





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              • Carla arena
                Dear Bee, Just watched Sarah, Maxime and Luís. I can t stop laughing! Again I m having problems posting to their youtube, so here s my message to them: Gosh,
                Message 7 of 26 , Nov 8, 2011
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                  Dear Bee,

                  Just watched Sarah, Maxime and Lu�s. I can't stop laughing!

                  Again I'm having problems posting to their youtube, so here's my message to
                  them:

                  Gosh, I'm here rolling in laughter with the whole video! Loved it all and
                  the making of is simply hilarious. Great job, you, chefs!

                  Now, could you just put here all the recipe for me to try it out with my
                  kids. I've already tested the "reine of Saba" chocolate cake from the other
                  group and would love to test you pufcakes (oops! Cupcakes) with my kids.
                  http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlaarena/tags/reinedesaba/

                  Loved it!

                  cheers from brasilia

                  Yes, Mike. I'm also optimistic about this generation if we can do our part
                  as educators in the Webhead way!

                  Bee, a sugestion: do you think you could have a page with the video and
                  written recipes for us to try them out?

                  Carla
                  EVO Coordinating Team
                  Digital Tools with Purpose Team

                  http://evo-training.pbworks.com

                  xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
                  http://collablogatorium.blogspot.com
                  Contributor of http://pocketcultures.com



                  On Mon, Nov 7, 2011 at 10:47 PM, Barbara Dieu <beeonline@...> wrote:

                  > **
                  >
                  >
                  > >I see a different world coming!
                  > Cupcakes and brownies to you!
                  > Some more recipes trickling in :-)
                  >
                  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozUABm6ZPK0
                  > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EM_a_TgtTSo
                  >
                  > B.
                  > --
                  > Barbara Dieu
                  > http://barbaradieu.com
                  > http://beespace.net
                  >
                  >
                  >


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                • Maria D
                  Hi Clair, I love your project! Although we are about to finish the school year here in Argentina, I know one of our groups will be delighted to post their
                  Message 8 of 26 , Nov 8, 2011
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                    Hi Clair,

                    I love your project! Although we are about to finish the school year here in Argentina, I know one of our groups will be delighted to post their comments. I wonder if you can give me some background information about your students - ours are very curious and I'm sure they'll want to know as much as possible about them.

                    Thanks!
                    Mary

                    --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, ClairMichelle Taylor <clairmichelletaylor@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Hello,
                    > If any of your classes are learning about illness/injury my low intermediate students have just written their 'scar stories'. They'd love for students in another country to comment on their posts, and be happy to return the favor.
                    >
                    > http://togakun9.posterous.com/?page=2
                    >
                    >
                    > They aren't as exciting as B's recipe videos, but some of the stories are pretty interesting.
                    >
                    > Best, clair
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                    >
                  • Barbara Dieu
                    Hi Carla, I think you need to log in to be able to comment on YouTube. Once I have all the videos, I will embed them on a blog page together with the recipes.
                    Message 9 of 26 , Nov 8, 2011
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                      Hi Carla,
                      I think you need to log in to be able to comment on YouTube. Once I
                      have all the videos, I will embed them on a blog page together with
                      the recipes.

                      Thanks for the comments from all over the world. The kids are ecstatic
                      - it's their first contact with the open web and due to the
                      popularity, Lance has opened a cooking blog of his own (not for a
                      mark, not an assignment - just a reaction to your comments!)
                      letscook-lg.blogspot.com

                      B.


                      --
                      Barbara Dieu
                      http://barbaradieu.com
                      http://beespace.net
                    • Teresa Almeida d'Eca
                      Hi Bee! You re right about needing to log in. I had the same problem as Carla. I m fascinated with your students enthusiasm and to see what a difference
                      Message 10 of 26 , Nov 8, 2011
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                        Hi Bee!

                        You're right about needing to log in. I had the same problem as Carla.

                        I'm fascinated with your students' enthusiasm and to see what a
                        difference "contact with the outside world can make". I totally go with
                        Michael's comment about your students. They certainly demonstrate
                        different literacies.

                        I left two comments in their blog.

                        Hugs, Teresa






                        On 08-11-2011 16:31, Barbara Dieu wrote:
                        >
                        > Hi Carla,
                        > I think you need to log in to be able to comment on YouTube. Once I
                        > have all the videos, I will embed them on a blog page together with
                        > the recipes.
                        >
                        > Thanks for the comments from all over the world. The kids are ecstatic
                        > - it's their first contact with the open web and due to the
                        > popularity, Lance has opened a cooking blog of his own (not for a
                        > mark, not an assignment - just a reaction to your comments!)
                        > letscook-lg.blogspot.com
                        >
                        > B.
                        >
                        > --
                        > Barbara Dieu
                        > http://barbaradieu.com
                        > http://beespace.net
                        >
                        >


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                      • ClairMichelle Taylor
                        Hi Mary, Thanks for taking a look at their project!  They are freshman students, mostly aged 19, at a Japanese university: http://www.tyg.jp/ They are all
                        Message 11 of 26 , Nov 8, 2011
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                          Hi Mary,

                          Thanks for taking a look at their project! 
                          They are freshman students, mostly aged 19, at a Japanese university:
                          http://www.tyg.jp/
                          They are all human sciences majors - many want to become school counsellors or sports coaches. They are a nice group - lots of shy but lovely students. 
                          I will try to get a photo up on the site.

                          Clair

                          I love your project! Although we are about to finish the school year here in Argentina, I know one of our groups will be delighted to post their comments. I wonder if you can give me some background information about your students - ours are very curious and I'm sure they'll want to know as much as possible about them.

                          Thanks!
                          Mary



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                        • dk
                          Although food is so important in our lives, students often don t know how to talk about it. Intermediate level students can often tell you about their jobs,
                          Message 12 of 26 , Nov 9, 2011
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                            Although food is so important in our lives, students often don't know how to
                            talk about it. Intermediate level students can often tell you about their
                            jobs, commute, family, etc, but when you ask them to describe their favorite
                            food in English and especially when you ask them how to make it, they find
                            this English challenging.

                            They usually don't have a firm command of signposting: first, then, after
                            that, don't forget. They may know nouns like table, plate, spoon, but do
                            they know nouns like bowl, oven, spatula, recipe? They may know verbs like
                            cook, bake, fry, but do they know verbs like stir, slice, mix.

                            In truth, our students will probably not need a lot of this vocabulary very
                            much and that is why skills for talking about cooking may develop later in
                            their English learning development. It is doubtful how often they will use
                            the word "spatula" and we shouldn't fault them for not knowing it and
                            perhaps we shouldn't even bother really teaching it. Some of these things we
                            can just mention to students, introduce these words to students, but not
                            really expect students to "know" them.

                            But some of this language is great for intermediate students to learn and
                            practice, signposting words like "first", "and now we will", "but before you
                            do that". This kind of language is useful in all realms of English
                            communication.

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                          • Barbara Dieu
                            ... This is because workbooks  sequence the learning units this way and pre-decide what is important for them to know first  notwithstanding students
                            Message 13 of 26 , Nov 9, 2011
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                              > Intermediate level students can often tell you about their jobs, commute, family, etc, but when you ask them to describe their favorite food in English and especially when you ask them how to make it, they find this English challenging.

                              This is because workbooks  sequence the learning units this way and
                              pre-decide what is important for them to know first  notwithstanding
                              students' personal interests or needs. None of my students work, let
                              alone commute but, from what I have just discovered, many enjoy
                              cooking and eating.

                              >They may know nouns like table, plate, spoon, but do they know nouns like bowl, oven, spatula, recipe? They may know verbs like cook, bake, fry, but do they know verbs like stir, slice, mix...
                              > In truth, our students will probably not need a lot of this vocabulary very much and that is why skills for talking about cooking may develop later in their English learning development.

                              Again...same thing....who decides what they will need or not?
                              Anglo-Saxon publishers?
                              To exemplify: many of the words the students used in the video were
                              not  even mentioned in class. They went after them in their need to
                              describe the action they were performing. Should we restrict them on
                              the grounds it's not useful vocabulary?

                              >It is doubtful how often they will use the word "spatula"
                              Spatula  is a word of Latin origin and the same word is used in
                              Portuguese so they have absolutely no problem with it. I suppose in
                              China it may seem superfluous, but here I am sure they did not even
                              bother to check whether the word existed in English.

                              >we shouldn't fault them for not knowing it and perhaps we shouldn't even bother really teaching it.
                              Nobody here would fault them for not knowing - we applaud them for
                              including new words they feel like using. In the instructions I gave
                              them I said they would be marked on the wealth of vocabulary used to
                              describe their actions. So it's their responsibility to look for what
                              they need - I cannot predict what recipe they will choose.

                              However, David, I understand the point you are trying to make : try
                              to be efficient in your teaching and focus on high frequency words
                              instead of going into details and do not penalize them for not knowing
                              more than you taught them.

                              Best regards,
                              B.

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                            • edtec2002
                              Hi, Bee, I can t resist commenting that I, too, was very impressed with your students videos. Thanks so much for sharing. Chris Jones
                              Message 14 of 26 , Nov 9, 2011
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                                Hi, Bee,

                                I can't resist commenting that I, too, was very impressed with your students videos. Thanks so much for sharing.

                                Chris Jones

                                --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Dieu <beeonline@...> wrote:
                                >
                                > Two weeks ago my 12-13-year olds had a unit on cooking and recipes. We
                                > had loads of fun discussing preferences in class and for homework I
                                > asked them to get in pairs and make a video of themselves preparing a
                                > recipe. I gave them a rough plan of what I wanted to see (so they
                                > would use the vocabulary and structures they had learnt).
                                >
                                > I was impressed with the results and their "aisance" before the camera
                                > and in the kitchen. The cakes and cookies they brought to class when
                                > they showed their film were yummy as well. Try the Queen of Sheba
                                > (Reine de Saba) cake recipe (two words they did not know in English
                                > and they use in the film: maizena is corn starch and castanha do pará
                                > is Brazil nuts)
                                >
                                > Two groups have already posted their recipes on YouTube so sharing
                                > them with you.
                                >
                                > Lance and Juan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTgdUl2iSsU
                                > Sophie and Laura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-r5ukgZc9I
                                >
                                > Warm regards from Brazil,
                                > B.
                                >
                                >
                                > --
                                > Barbara Dieu
                                > http://barbaradieu.com
                                > http://beespace.net
                                >
                              • Barbara Dieu
                                Thank you, Chris. Long time no hear! B. -- Barbara Dieu http://barbaradieu.com http://beespace.net
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                                  Thank you, Chris.
                                  Long time no hear!
                                  B.


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                                • Luiz Reikdal
                                  Hey, I ve been watching the videos on YouTube! They are yummy! I ve given them some feedback! So inspiring... I might start teaching at school next year where
                                  Message 16 of 26 , Nov 10, 2011
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                                    Hey, I've been watching the videos on YouTube! They are yummy!
                                    I've given them some feedback! So inspiring...
                                    I might start teaching at school next year where they teach English through/with technology, puppetry, storytelling and cooking! And guess what? I'll try some of the recipes from your "ELT chefs" ;)
                                    Barbara, have you seen this book "Not Just Hamburgers" by Virginia Klie? It is awesome!!!! Loads of recipes, both in English and Portuguese. Worth taking a look! I have a hunch you are a great cook as well, arent't you? LOL

                                    Take care and congratulations on the FANTABULOUS job!!!!!!
                                    ;)
                                    Luiz Reikdal
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                                  • Barbara Dieu
                                    Thank you for the comments on the kids videos, Luiz and your book recommendation. I will check it out :-) I have listed all the video links I have already
                                    Message 17 of 26 , Nov 10, 2011
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                                      Thank you for the comments on the kids' videos, Luiz and your book
                                      recommendation. I will check it out :-)

                                      I have listed all the video links I have already received from them on one
                                      page, together with the plan I gave them in case any of you want to
                                      reproduce it (and improve on it)
                                      http://lycee.wordpress.com/projects/videos/cooking/

                                      Best regards,
                                      B.

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                                    • Maria D
                                      Thanks, Clair! I talked to our students yesterday and they are quite interested in the idea. Because of the time of year for us, they ll be doing this from
                                      Message 18 of 26 , Nov 10, 2011
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                                        Thanks, Clair! I talked to our students yesterday and they are quite interested in the idea. Because of the time of year for us, they'll be doing this from home, so we looked at how to enter the blog and post comments. The thing is that they're in a younger age band (13 to 15, at secondary school)Your students might find their comments a bit childish :-) Anyway, I'm sure they'll love the experience of getting in touch with people who are so far away.

                                        Cheers,
                                        Mary

                                        --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, ClairMichelle Taylor <clairmichelletaylor@...> wrote:
                                        >
                                        > Hi Mary,
                                        >
                                        > Thanks for taking a look at their project! 
                                        > They are freshman students, mostly aged 19, at a Japanese university:
                                        > http://www.tyg.jp/
                                        > They are all human sciences majors - many want to become school counsellors or sports coaches. They are a nice group - lots of shy but lovely students. 
                                        > I will try to get a photo up on the site.
                                        >
                                        > Clair
                                        >
                                        > I love your project! Although we are about to finish the school year here in Argentina, I know one of our groups will be delighted to post their comments. I wonder if you can give me some background information about your students - ours are very curious and I'm sure they'll want to know as much as possible about them.
                                        >
                                        > Thanks!
                                        > Mary
                                        >
                                        >
                                        >
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                                      • Bohdana Navratilova
                                        Great videos, very inspiring. Bohdana
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                                          Great videos, very inspiring.
                                          Bohdana

                                          --- In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com, Barbara Dieu <beeonline@...> wrote:
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                                          > Two weeks ago my 12-13-year olds had a unit on cooking and recipes. We
                                          > had loads of fun discussing preferences in class and for homework I
                                          > asked them to get in pairs and make a video of themselves preparing a
                                          > recipe. I gave them a rough plan of what I wanted to see (so they
                                          > would use the vocabulary and structures they had learnt).
                                          >
                                          > I was impressed with the results and their "aisance" before the camera
                                          > and in the kitchen. The cakes and cookies they brought to class when
                                          > they showed their film were yummy as well. Try the Queen of Sheba
                                          > (Reine de Saba) cake recipe (two words they did not know in English
                                          > and they use in the film: maizena is corn starch and castanha do pará
                                          > is Brazil nuts)
                                          >
                                          > Two groups have already posted their recipes on YouTube so sharing
                                          > them with you.
                                          >
                                          > Lance and Juan: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTgdUl2iSsU
                                          > Sophie and Laura: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-r5ukgZc9I
                                          >
                                          > Warm regards from Brazil,
                                          > B.
                                          >
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                                        • ClairMichelle Taylor
                                          Thanks! Japanese students tend to be young for their age, so I m sure they will be pleased with whatever comments they get! They hadn t done anything like
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                                            Thanks! Japanese students tend to be 'young' for their age, so I'm sure they will be pleased with whatever comments they get! They hadn't done anything like this until this semester so it is all exciting and new for them.

                                            Clair




                                             
                                            Thanks, Clair! I talked to our students yesterday and they are quite interested in the idea. Because of the time of year for us, they'll be doing this from home, so we looked at how to enter the blog and post comments. The thing is that they're in a younger age band (13 to 15, at secondary school)Your students might find their comments a bit childish :-) Anyway, I'm sure they'll love the experience of getting in touch with people who are so far away.



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