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  • Michael Coghlan
    ... I m pleading ignorance here. A definition of ginga in this context is not easy to find. Google translator says scull . :- Can someone enlighten me? -
    Message 1 of 10 , Oct 4, 2009
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      At 10:39 PM 4/10/2009, Dennis wrote:
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      > It will, I'm 100% sure, be a splendid Olympics site characterized
      > by the warmth and ingenuity and ginga that we see demonstrated time
      > and time again by our Brazilian colleagues and friends.
      I'm pleading ignorance here. A definition of 'ginga' in this context
      is not easy to find. Google translator says 'scull'. :-\ Can someone
      enlighten me?

      - Michael
    • Erika Cruvinel
      Hello Michael The *ginga* (literally: rocking back and forth; to swing) is the fundamental movement in
      Message 2 of 10 , Oct 4, 2009
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        Hello Michael
        The *ginga* <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginga_(capoeira)> (literally:
        rocking back and forth; to swing) is the fundamental movement in capoeira.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capoeira#Ginga

        <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capoeira#Ginga>We also say that brazilians
        have ginga, meaning that they have the ability to "swing" to find creative
        solutions for problems.
        It's hard to explain; that is why you have to come to Brazil to fully
        understand the meaning of ginga.

        2009/10/4 Michael Coghlan <michaelc@...>

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        >
        > At 10:39 PM 4/10/2009, Dennis wrote:
        > >
        > >
        > > It will, I'm 100% sure, be a splendid Olympics site characterized
        > > by the warmth and ingenuity and ginga that we see demonstrated time
        > > and time again by our Brazilian colleagues and friends.
        > I'm pleading ignorance here. A definition of 'ginga' in this context
        > is not easy to find. Google translator says 'scull'. :-\ Can someone
        > enlighten me?
        >
        > - Michael
        >
        >
        >



        --
        Erika Cruvinel
        http://www.thomas.org.br


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      • Michael Coghlan
        Thank you Erika! With a bit of luck I should get to Brazil next July so then I might understand! - Michael ... [Non-text portions of this message have been
        Message 3 of 10 , Oct 4, 2009
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          Thank you Erika! With a bit of luck I should get to Brazil next July
          so then I might understand!

          - Michael

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          At 12:06 AM 5/10/2009, you wrote:
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          >Hello Michael
          >The *ginga*
          ><<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginga_>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ginga_(capoeira)>
          >(literally:
          >rocking back and forth; to swing) is the fundamental movement in capoeira.
          ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capoeira#Ginga>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capoeira#Ginga
          >
          ><http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capoeira#Ginga>We also say that brazilians
          >have ginga, meaning that they have the ability to "swing" to find creative
          >solutions for problems.
          >It's hard to explain; that is why you have to come to Brazil to fully
          >understand the meaning of ginga.
          >
          >2009/10/4 Michael Coghlan
          ><<mailto:michaelc%40chariot.net.au>michaelc@...>
          >
          > >
          > >
          > > At 10:39 PM 4/10/2009, Dennis wrote:
          > > >
          > > >
          > > > It will, I'm 100% sure, be a splendid Olympics site characterized
          > > > by the warmth and ingenuity and ginga that we see demonstrated time
          > > > and time again by our Brazilian colleagues and friends.
          > > I'm pleading ignorance here. A definition of 'ginga' in this context
          > > is not easy to find. Google translator says 'scull'. :-\ Can someone
          > > enlighten me?
          > >
          > > - Michael
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          >--
          >Erika Cruvinel
          ><http://www.thomas.org.br>http://www.thomas.org.br
          >
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        • Carla arena
          Dear Mike, That s what I tried to explain to Vance when we were in New York for the TESOL Conference! Ginga! Ginga is, as Erika said, the movement of
          Message 4 of 10 , Oct 4, 2009
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            Dear Mike,
            That's what I tried to explain to Vance when we were in New York for the
            TESOL Conference! Ginga! Ginga is, as Erika said, the movement of
            "capoeiristas", the ones who play capoeira, which is a mix of martial arts
            and dance. However, we consider ginga the way our soccer players dribble.
            That's ginga. We consider ginga when we find creative ways for our daily
            problems, meaning a certain kind of flexibility. Cariocas, the ones from Rio
            are full of ginga and warmth!

            Beijos,
            Carla
            http://collablogatorium.blogspot.com



            On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Michael Coghlan <michaelc@...>wrote:

            >
            >
            > At 10:39 PM 4/10/2009, Dennis wrote:
            > >
            > >
            > > It will, I'm 100% sure, be a splendid Olympics site characterized
            > > by the warmth and ingenuity and ginga that we see demonstrated time
            > > and time again by our Brazilian colleagues and friends.
            > I'm pleading ignorance here. A definition of 'ginga' in this context
            > is not easy to find. Google translator says 'scull'. :-\ Can someone
            > enlighten me?
            >
            > - Michael
            >
            >
            >


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          • Michael Coghlan
            OK - next question. How is ginga pronounced? Hard or soft g s? - Michael ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            Message 5 of 10 , Oct 4, 2009
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              OK - next question. How is 'ginga' pronounced? Hard or soft 'g' s?

              - Michael

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              At 12:01 PM 5/10/2009, you wrote:
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              >Dear Mike,
              >That's what I tried to explain to Vance when we were in New York for the
              >TESOL Conference! Ginga! Ginga is, as Erika said, the movement of
              >"capoeiristas", the ones who play capoeira, which is a mix of martial arts
              >and dance. However, we consider ginga the way our soccer players dribble.
              >That's ginga. We consider ginga when we find creative ways for our daily
              >problems, meaning a certain kind of flexibility. Cariocas, the ones from Rio
              >are full of ginga and warmth!
              >
              >Beijos,
              >Carla
              ><http://collablogatorium.blogspot.com>http://collablogatorium.blogspot.com
              >
              >On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 9:18 AM, Michael Coghlan
              ><<mailto:michaelc%40chariot.net.au>michaelc@...>wrote:
              >
              > >
              > >
              > > At 10:39 PM 4/10/2009, Dennis wrote:
              > > >
              > > >
              > > > It will, I'm 100% sure, be a splendid Olympics site characterized
              > > > by the warmth and ingenuity and ginga that we see demonstrated time
              > > > and time again by our Brazilian colleagues and friends.
              > > I'm pleading ignorance here. A definition of 'ginga' in this context
              > > is not easy to find. Google translator says 'scull'. :-\ Can someone
              > > enlighten me?
              > >
              > > - Michael
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
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            • Aiden Yeh
              Carla wrote: We consider ginga when we find creative ways for our daily ...   So sort of like, webheads, yeah? Webheads oozing with ginga :-) aiden [Non-text
              Message 6 of 10 , Oct 4, 2009
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                Carla wrote: We consider ginga when we find creative ways for our daily
                >problems, meaning a certain kind of flexibility.
                 
                So sort of like, webheads, yeah? Webheads oozing with ginga :-)

                aiden





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              • Ronaldo Lima, Jr.
                Hi Mike, This is what I call collaborative answer, each Brazilian answering one part of the ginga question. Well, ginga is pronounced with soft g in the
                Message 7 of 10 , Oct 5, 2009
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                  Hi Mike,

                  This is what I call collaborative answer, each Brazilian answering one part
                  of the "ginga" question. Well, "ginga" is pronounced with soft "g" in the
                  beginning and hard "g" in the middle: [ʒɪŋgʌ] (stress in the first syllable)

                  Ronaldo


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                  OK - next question. How is 'ginga' pronounced? Hard or soft 'g' s?

                  - Michael


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                  • Tom Zurinskas
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                      As I hear it spoken in the site below "ginga" would be spelled in truespel =
                      phonetics as ~zheengu (where ~ee is long e and ~u is as in "up=2Cfun". - th=
                      e tilde (~) denotes ~truespel phonetics.
                      =20
                      Unfortunately English has no unique spelling for that first consonant sound=
                      =2C ~zh=2C as in "beige (~baezh)=2C measure (~mezher)=2C vision (~vizhin)"

                      I'd be happy to help with English pronunciation. If the folks in Brazil wo=
                      uld like to use easy phonetics for English in USA accent (70% of native Eng=
                      lish speakers are in USA) it's available for free at truespel.com. It's En=
                      glish-based and uses only English letters so it's email friendly (a big plu=
                      s). See the free text converter at truespel.com.
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                      for free tutorials see http://tinypaste.com/764f4

                      Tom Zurinskas=2C USA - CT20=2C TN3=2C NJ33=2C FL7+
                      see truespel.com phonetic spelling



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                      > From: dennis.oliver@...
                      > Date: Mon=2C 5 Oct 2009 11:19:00 +0000
                      > Subject: [evonline2002_webheads] Re: congrats=2C Brazil!!! (Ginga?)
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                      > OK - next question. How is 'ginga' pronounced? Hard or soft 'g' s?
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                    • Dennis O
                      Hi, everyone. In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com (message #23612), Michael Coghlan wrote: K - next question. How is ginga pronounced? Hard or soft g
                      Message 10 of 10 , Oct 6, 2009
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                        Hi, everyone.

                        In evonline2002_webheads@yahoogroups.com (message #23612), Michael Coghlan
                        wrote:

                        K - next question. How is 'ginga' pronounced? Hard or soft 'g' s?

                        - Michael

                        8< - - - snip - - - >8

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                        COMMENTS:

                        To add to the rich variety of replies to Michael's query, expecially that of Tom Zurinskas on showing pronunciation by using TrueSpel, I've created a .pdf file that shows the pronunciation of _ginga_ (as recorded by Carla) in IPA. The .pdf includes notes on pronunciation (in North American English) of each IPA symbol used.

                        The .pdf is in the Files area (see the left-hand side menu); its name is Pronunciation-ginga-IPA.pdf .

                        All the best--

                        Dennis in Phoenix
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