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Re: [evol-psych] Democratic National Convention outlines policy of wider war

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  • Sonny Williams
    Edgar, Our perspectives differ, probably because of a fundamental difference in life stances. I don t feel victimized if another tells me they re offended by
    Message 1 of 18 , Sep 1, 2008
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      Edgar,
       
      Our perspectives differ, probably because of a fundamental difference in life stances.  I don't feel victimized if another tells me they're offended by a word I use (many examples come to mind), but rather, I'm happy to make an effort to accommodate their sensitivity... even if I feel it's out of place.  For instance, I don't feel victimized by declaiming the name, Atlanta Braves, and their idiotic, insensitive "tomahawk chop."  The people of Atlanta should drop that crap, and feel good about doing so, not feel like a minority has been politically correct and over sensitive.
       
      Sonny Williams
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      "Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition" - Adam Smith
      "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries" - Winston Churchill
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      Sent: Monday, September 01, 2008 5:31 AM
      Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Democratic National Convention outlines policy of wider war

      Sonny,


      Would that your statement were true I would fully agree - with some latitude given for humor. However the group of adult white males are never or rarely included when PCers begin speaking about 'being sensitive to offending any group of people'. Since the PCers imagine a world of victims then there must always be victimizers - that is nearly always the group containing adult white males.

      Edgar



      On Aug 31, 2008, at 11:43 AM, Sonny Williams wrote:


      Edgar,
       
      Your point is well taken, that it's hard to know where to stop once you start expunging the language of inappropriate gender references.  That said, however, there is a place for being sensitive to offending any group of people.
       
      Sonny Williams
      www.clarencewilliam s.net
      sonnyw@...
      "Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition" - Adam Smith
      "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries" - Winston Churchill
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      From: Edgar Owen
      Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 6:10 AM
      Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Democratic National Convention outlines policy of wider war

      Sonny,


      Yea, I agree that we should abandon all those awful inappropriate gender specifiers in English. Here are a few suggested changes - there are many many more

      menopause > womenopause
      hysterectomy > hersterectomy
      hysterical > hersterical

      Edgar



      On Aug 29, 2008, at 2:04 PM, Sonny Williams wrote:

      Julienne,

      As a male I join you in your distress over our male-dominated language (among other dominations) . Alas, it is exceedingly hard to break thousands of years of common useage, and I will also sometimes slip into the error and use gender-specific terms when a genderless one should have been used.

      Sonny Williams
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      "Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition" - Adam Smith
      "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries" - Winston Churchill
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      From: Julienne<mailto:julienne@nep. net> 
      To: chaos-stars@ yahoogroups. com<mailto:chaos-stars@ yahoogroups. com> 
      Sent: Friday, August 29, 2008 5:10 AM
      Subject: [evol-psych] Democratic National Convention outlines policy of wider war

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    • Edgar Owen
      Sonny, You don t feel victimized when YOU utter the tomahawk chop??! How incredibly insensitive of you. It is the indians you supposedly victimize, not
      Message 2 of 18 , Sep 2, 2008
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        Sonny,

        You don't feel victimized when YOU utter the tomahawk chop??! How
        incredibly insensitive of you. It is the indians you supposedly
        victimize, not you.....

        I'm ashamed of you and truly shocked! You've got it all wrong. The
        victim is not the person who utters the non-PC speak statement it is
        the poor person who hears it. How could you, a successful white adult
        male, possibly even think for a moment you could ever be the victim?

        YOu must be sent back to the re-education PC gulag for some intensive
        remedial work..
        :-)


        Edgar

        On Sep 1, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Sonny Williams wrote:

        >
        > Edgar,
        >
        > Our perspectives differ, probably because of a fundamental
        > difference in life stances. I don't feel victimized if another
        > tells me they're offended by a word I use (many examples come to
        > mind), but rather, I'm happy to make an effort to accommodate their
        > sensitivity... even if I feel it's out of place. For instance, I
        > don't feel victimized by declaiming the name, Atlanta Braves, and
        > their idiotic, insensitive "tomahawk chop." The people of Atlanta
        > should drop that crap, and feel good about doing so, not feel like
        > a minority has been politically correct and over sensitive.
        >
        > Sonny Williams
        > www.clarencewilliams.net
        > sonnyw@...
        > "Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and
        > superstition" - Adam Smith
        > "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of
        > blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of
        <Snip>
      • Sonny Williams
        Edgar, I wasn t clear. Native Americans, who feel victimized by the tomahawk chop, the Washington Redskins, etc. have asked me (metaphorically) to stop
        Message 3 of 18 , Sep 3, 2008
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          Edgar,
           
          I wasn't clear.  Native Americans, who feel victimized by "the tomahawk chop," the Washington "Redskins," etc. have asked me (metaphorically) to stop using the "chop" and yelling, "Go Redskins."  I do not feel victimized by such a request, or many other similar requests coming from the "PC crowd," but willingly and gladly abide their request.
           
          Sonny Williams
          www.clarencewilliams.net
          sonnyw@...
          "Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and superstition" - Adam Smith
          "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries" - Winston Churchill
          ----- Original Message -----
          Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2008 6:39 AM
          Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Democratic National Convention outlines policy of wider war

          Sonny,

          You don't feel victimized when YOU utter the tomahawk chop??! How
          incredibly insensitive of you. It is the indians you supposedly
          victimize, not you.....

          I'm ashamed of you and truly shocked! You've got it all wrong. The
          victim is not the person who utters the non-PC speak statement it is
          the poor person who hears it. How could you, a successful white adult
          male, possibly even think for a moment you could ever be the victim?

          YOu must be sent back to the re-education PC gulag for some intensive
          remedial work..
          :-)

          Edgar

          On Sep 1, 2008, at 4:31 PM, Sonny Williams wrote:

          >
          > Edgar,
          >
          > Our perspectives differ, probably because of a fundamental
          > difference in life stances. I don't feel victimized if another
          > tells me they're offended by a word I use (many examples come to
          > mind), but rather, I'm happy to make an effort to accommodate their
          > sensitivity. .. even if I feel it's out of place. For instance, I
          > don't feel victimized by declaiming the name, Atlanta Braves, and
          > their idiotic, insensitive "tomahawk chop." The people of Atlanta
          > should drop that crap, and feel good about doing so, not feel like
          > a minority has been politically correct and over sensitive.
          >
          > Sonny Williams
          > www.clarencewilliam s.net
          > sonnyw@...
          > "Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and
          > superstition" - Adam Smith
          > "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of
          > blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of
          <Snip>

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