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  • artemistroy
    Arms as I understand it could be any kind of implement that can be used as a weapon for defense of life and property. Notwithstanding, arms have become
    Message 1 of 42 , Jul 1 12:57 PM
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      "Arms" as I understand it could be any kind of implement that can be
      used as a weapon for defense of life and property. Notwithstanding,
      arms have become somewhat more sophisticated since 1776.

      Artemis

      --- In evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com, "Steve Corsini"
      <sjcarc@...> wrote:
      >
      > As an Australian I am not that familiar with the US Constitution
      so ,
      > Does the constitution say you have a right to ammunition ?
      > Shouldn't you be limited to smoothbore black powder flintlock
      muskets ala 1776?
      > Does the constitution say you have a right to bear guns or to bear
      arms, like swords axes machetes spears bows and arrows ?
      >
      > Steve Corsini
      > Pickering Brook WA
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com
      [mailto:evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Sonny
      Williams
      > Sent: Tuesday, 1 July 2008 5:13 AM
      > To: evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Researchers study hidden homicidetrend--
      Supreme Court ruling2nd amendment
      >
      >
      > 
      >
      > Robert,
      >
      > What constitutional interpretation of the Second Amendment
      supports your statement that "The government has every right to
      determine which fire arms citizens may bear"? It most emphatically
      does not, and laws limiting my rights to own any gun I damn well
      please will eventually be struck down as was the D.C. atrocity. I'm
      sympathetic to the need to control guns, like keep them out of the
      hands of convicted criminals, but I don't want government making the
      decisions, I want voters to decide if the day has come when the
      Second Amendment needs clarification. Frankly, I think it should be
      altered, but the U.S. Constitution's amendment process is probably
      the most ingenuous construct in the whole document.
      >
      > Sonny Williams
      > www.clarencewilliams.net
      > sonnyw@...
      > "Science is the great antidote to the poison of enthusiasm and
      superstition" - Adam Smith
      > "The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of
      blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of
      miseries" - Winston Churchill
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Robert Karl Stonjek
      > To: evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2008 6:58 PM
      > Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Researchers study hidden
      homicidetrend--Supreme Court ruling2nd amendment
      >
      >
      > 
      >
      > George K. Cunningham
      >
      > At any rate, the issue is moot in the U.S. The constitution
      guarantees the right to possess fire arms with reasonable
      limitations. They can't be banned as they were in Washington D.C.
      Short of a future Supreme Court overturning this decision, no
      legislation or executive fiat can change this.
      >
      > RKS:
      > If the constitution had guaranteed every citizen's right to
      drive a car, would that mean that all road rules should be discarded,
      that no vehicle could ever be deemed unroadworthy, that no age limit
      could be applied to drivers, that licences need not be granted before
      driving is allowed, that some individuals could not be restricted
      from driving and so on?
      >
      > The 'right to bear arms' could be added to the Australian
      constitution with little, if any, impact on current (restrictive) gun
      laws. The government has every right to determine which fire arms
      citizens may bear and what criteria applicants for gun licences must
      satisfy and what restrictions may be placed on those weapons.
      >
      <Snip>
    • Eric S. Harris
      ... What if the citizens are not disorganized? (Not a facetious question, by the way. Have you visited any of the Battle of Athens sites that Google lists,
      Message 42 of 42 , Jul 10 5:55 AM
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        Francine A. Burlingame wrote:

        >"A well regulated Militia,
        >
        >
        >>>being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the
        >>>people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
        >>>
        >>>
        >
        >F Burlingame:
        >
        >Keep in mind that this statement concerns a "well-regulated" militia
        >(not disorganized citizens), and that the term "the people" most
        >often refers to the "body of people", not individuals. When referring
        >to individuals, the term "citizens" is generally used because it is
        >more restrictive.
        >
        >
        >
        What if the citizens are not disorganized? (Not a facetious question,
        by the way. Have you visited any of the "Battle of Athens" sites that
        Google lists, yet?
        http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mcminn+athens+battle&btnG=Google+Search
        <http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=mcminn+athens+battle&btnG=Google+Search>)

        >So...In the spirit of being "well-regulated", members of the militia
        >should have the right to keep/bear arms that have been issued to them
        >by the state during the time of their service to the state.
        >
        >
        >
        The meaning of the word "militia" at the time of the writing of the Bill
        of Rights was not as described above. -Eric

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