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Re: [evol-psych] Article: Gun-toting motorists more prone to road rage

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  • Robert Karl Stonjek
    ... From: H.M. Hubey To: Robert Karl Stonjek Cc: Evolutionary-Psychology Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Article: Gun-toting
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      Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:55 AM
      Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Article: Gun-toting motorists more prone to road rage

      This is bad analysis.

      Suppose 3 percent carry guns, and 30 percent are rude drivers but make no rude-signs. Suppose 50 percent want to make rude
      signs to those who are rude drivers but are afraid unless they have guns to protect them.


      RKS:
      That seems very unlikely.  Even if your analysis turned out to be correct - it still means that drivers who carry guns are functionally ruder than others.
       
      I don't have any stats for the entire USA, but some numbers for Arizona are found in the following excerpt (12% carry guns with some frequency):
       
      GUNS ARE PREVALENT IN CARS Road rage is a large problem in Arizona, but the consequences are heightened when firearms are brought into the picture. According to Grand Canyon State Poll survey results, many people carry guns in their cars. Five percent of licensed drivers in Arizona reported always carrying a gun in their car. Another 7 percent said they sometimes carry a gun. Most often, people with guns are carrying pistols. Eighty-three percent of drivers carrying guns in their cars are carrying a pistol, 10 percent have a rifle in their car and 6 percent said they carry both a pistol and a rifle in the car. For those with weapons in the car, three-quarters (73%) reported that these weapons are always loaded. Twelve percent said their weapon is sometimes loaded. Only fourteen percent of drivers with weapons in their car said their weapon is always unloaded.“The message behind these survey findings is that drivers in Arizona should be cautious,” said Solop. “People are easily angered and frustration on the road can lead to dangerous situations,” Solop continued.
       
      It is my understanding that it is illegal for drivers to carry handguns in cars in Australia, New Zealand and the UK, and illegal to carry a loaded gun of any type.  I'm not sure on the current laws here in Australia, but it used to be that if you are a member of a target shooting club and have a licence to own a handgun for that purpose, then you are allowed to carry your handguns to the club as long as they are unloaded and locked in a secure case.

      Robert Karl Stonjek
    • Robert Karl Stonjek
      ... From: H.M. Hubey To: Robert Karl Stonjek Cc: Evolutionary-Psychology Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Article: Gun-toting
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        ----- Original Message -----
        Sent: Friday, February 03, 2006 7:55 AM
        Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Article: Gun-toting motorists more prone to road rage

        This is bad analysis.

        Suppose 3 percent carry guns, and 30 percent are rude drivers but make no rude-signs. Suppose 50 percent want to make rude
        signs to those who are rude drivers but are afraid unless they have guns to protect them.


        RKS:
        That seems very unlikely.  Even if your analysis turned out to be correct - it still means that drivers who carry guns are functionally ruder than others.
         
        The title says "Gun-toting motorists more prone to road rage". What is that? I think of it as those who drive people off the road, speed, etc. Many might
        wish to do something about it but cannot because of fear. Circa 1970's a cousin of mine was followed and repeatedly rammed from behind (late at night)
        by a car on RT 80 in NJ.  He was so angry, he said that he if had something like a hammer in his car he would have heaved it backwards and smashed
        the other car's windshield.

        The general point is the same. X% may be rude drivers, and there may be Y% who want to to something but cannot so don't. Meanwhile, among those
        who do carry guns, there are some who are not afraid to make rude-signs. Which part is the "road rage"? Rude drivers or rude-signers?

        I have had experiences of this type back when I was young with nasty drivers.
         
        RKS:
        The article defines road rage as "driving aggressively or making obscene gestures".  The article doesn't mention or consider those who would like to be offensive but don't through fear.  The point seems to be, and you have said nothing to disagree with it, that
        "In the interests of injury and violence prevention, it probably makes more sense to tighten rather than relax restrictions on gun carrying in motor vehicles."
         
        Kind Regards
        Robert Karl Stonjek
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