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Re: [evol-psych] RE: Research article: Brain transcriptome of the violet-eared waxbill Uraeginthus granatina and recent evolution in the songbird genome

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  • james kohl
    From: anonymous_9001@yahoo.com I repeat: THEY OBSERVED FIXATION. And then you have the audacity to claim they didn t? You re
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      From: "anonymous_9001@..." <anonymous_9001@...>
      I repeat: THEY OBSERVED FIXATION. And then you have the audacity to claim they didn't? You're directly contradicting the study.


      JK: I did not say they didn't observe fixation. You seem unable to understand that fixation IN THE GENOME must occur population wide for mutation-driven evolution to occur.

      "The validity of Haldane's theory had been proved for the initial phases of invasion [mutations cause change].

      Then, the research team addressed the probability of fixation of a beneficial allele in the population, i.e., to have all individuals of the population carrying the new allele.The result of these complex dynamics is that genetic diversity could be maintained indefinitely, without one allele or the other ever being fixed in the population."[Mutations did not cause any changes that could be considered in the context of mutation-driven evolution].

      How can you not realize the level of ignorance you are forcing me to expose? Apparently, you are too ignorant to realize how ignorant you are.
       
      James V. Kohl
      Medical laboratory scientist (ASCP)
      Independent researcher
      Kohl, J.V. (2013) Nutrient-dependent/pheromone-controlled adaptive evolution: a model. Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 3: 20553.
      Kohl, J.V. (2012) Human pheromones and food odors: epigenetic influences on the socioaffective nature of evolved behaviors. Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 2: 17338.


      From: "anonymous_9001@..." <anonymous_9001@...>
      To: evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:23 PM
      Subject: [evol-psych] RE: Research article: Brain transcriptome of the violet-eared waxbill Uraeginthus granatina and recent evolution in the songbird genome

       
      JK: No experimental evidence suggests that mutations are ever fixed in the genome

      Still proclaiming something as fact that is obviously not.

      That study was all about mutations being fixed and the probability of that occurring. What you're saying never happens is exactly what they demonstrated in that papers.

      The determined the relative chance of a mutation being fixed based on the percentage of the population that had said mutation.

      They observed fixation and determined the correlation with its frequency within the population.

      I repeat: THEY OBSERVED FIXATION. And then you have the audacity to claim they didn't? You're directly contradicting the study.


      ---In evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com, <jvkohl@...> wrote:

      Research article: Brain transcriptome of the violet-eared waxbill Uraeginthus granatina and recent evolution in the songbird genome
      Christopher N. Balakrishnan, Charles Chapus, Michael S. Brewer, and David F. Clayton
      Open Biol. 3:130063; doi:10.1098/rsob.130063 (published September 4, 2013)

      Excerpt: "Although birds were long considered not to have an important sense of smell, the discovery of numerous OR genes [55,56], and evidence for the use of smell [57–59], suggests that olfaction in birds has been underappreciated."

      Excerpt: "...population sizes for this species therefore must also be large enough to effectively purge slightly deleterious mutations that would otherwise elevate genomic estimates of ω [74]."

      My comment: See: Bird odour predicts reproductive success. If the adaptive evolution of birds is nutrient-dependent and pheromone-controlled via the conserved molecular mechanisms in species from microbes to man, it is clear that reproductive success is their means to purge deleterious mutations. No experimental evidence suggests that mutations are ever fixed in the genome, which suggests that all mutations are purged via the conserved molecular mechanisms of nutrient-dependent pheromone-controlled adaptive evolution in all species. 

      Thus, at least one thing becomes clear about bird-brained ethologist observers and evolutionary theorists. Many of them may be living with their ongoing ignorance of the basic principles of biology and levels of biologically organization required to link the sensory environment directly to behavior. That's why they continue to believe in mutation-driven evolution in the absence of any evidence for it whatsoever in any species.

      See also: Difference in Plumage Color Used in Species Recognition between Incipient Species Is Linked to a Single Amino Acid Substitution in the Melanocortin-1 Receptor and the report that Birds use plumage colour to recognize and select potential mates. Ask yourself: "What kind of fool thinks that the reproductive success of birds is due to plumage color when reproductive success is nutrient-dependent and pheromone-controlled in every other organism of every other species on the planet?"


      And see his question and comment from the same thread:

      Q: Do you believe that all maternal and sexual imprinting in birds is due primarily to pheromones? If so, that is certainly a radical position. What about birds who are hatched from eggs in an incubator and then used for experiments in sexual conditioning.

      A: The birds imprinted via exposure to their first olfactory input, which was associated with the simultaneous exposure to a visual stimulus that would typically cause imprinting on the mother as it does with the olfactory/pheromonal conditioning of behavior in all vertebrates.   

      Clearly, my position, which I first detailed in 1992, could not have been considered to be a radical position by anyone familiar with the nutrient-dependent pheromone-controlled physiology of reproduction in any species. And Feierman's position should not have been considered to be anything other than utterly ridiculous in the context of the physiology of reproduction.  And yet, here we are six years later, with him as moderator of the ISHE group, blocking my posts on nutrient-dependent pheromone-controlled adaptive evolution because he thinks they are redundant.

      James V. Kohl
      Medical laboratory scientist (ASCP)
      Independent researcher
      Kohl, J.V. (2013) Nutrient-dependent/pheromone-controlled adaptive evolution: a model. Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 3: 20553.
      Kohl, J.V. (2012) Human pheromones and food odors: epigenetic influences on the socioaffective nature of evolved behaviors. Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 2: 17338.


    • anonymous_9001
      So there s a possibility that diversity could be maintained rather than the fixation of one allele. But that s just one possibility The other possibilities are
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         So there's a possibility that diversity could be maintained rather than the fixation of one allele. But that's just one possibility The other possibilities are that it goes extinct or that it's fixed.


        Your statement is equivalent to saying some apples are green, therefore apples are never red.


        From the paper- "After 100 generations or so, however, and with frequency-independent selection, most of the populations where extinction did not occur would be fixed for the beneficial invader allele"



        ---In evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com, <jvkohl@...> wrote:

        From: "anonymous_9001@..." <anonymous_9001@...>
        I repeat: THEY OBSERVED FIXATION. And then you have the audacity to claim they didn't? You're directly contradicting the study.


        JK: I did not say they didn't observe fixation. You seem unable to understand that fixation IN THE GENOME must occur population wide for mutation-driven evolution to occur.

        "The validity of Haldane's theory had been proved for the initial phases of invasion [mutations cause change].

        Then, the research team addressed the probability of fixation of a beneficial allele in the population, i.e., to have all individuals of the population carrying the new allele.The result of these complex dynamics is that genetic diversity could be maintained indefinitely, without one allele or the other ever being fixed in the population."[Mutations did not cause any changes that could be considered in the context of mutation-driven evolution].

        How can you not realize the level of ignorance you are forcing me to expose? Apparently, you are too ignorant to realize how ignorant you are.
         
        James V. Kohl
        Medical laboratory scientist (ASCP)
        Independent researcher
        Kohl, J.V. (2013) Nutrient-dependent/pheromone-controlled adaptive evolution: a model. Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 3: 20553.
        Kohl, J.V. (2012) Human pheromones and food odors: epigenetic influences on the socioaffective nature of evolved behaviors. Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 2: 17338.


        From: "anonymous_9001@..." <anonymous_9001@...>
        To: evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com
        Sent: Monday, September 30, 2013 10:23 PM
        Subject: [evol-psych] RE: Research article: Brain transcriptome of the violet-eared waxbill Uraeginthus granatina and recent evolution in the songbird genome

         
        JK: No experimental evidence suggests that mutations are ever fixed in the genome

        Still proclaiming something as fact that is obviously not.

        That study was all about mutations being fixed and the probability of that occurring. What you're saying never happens is exactly what they demonstrated in that papers.

        The determined the relative chance of a mutation being fixed based on the percentage of the population that had said mutation.

        They observed fixation and determined the correlation with its frequency within the population.

        I repeat: THEY OBSERVED FIXATION. And then you have the audacity to claim they didn't? You're directly contradicting the study.


        ---In evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com, <jvkohl@...> wrote:

        Research article: Brain transcriptome of the violet-eared waxbill Uraeginthus granatina and recent evolution in the songbird genome
        Christopher N. Balakrishnan, Charles Chapus, Michael S. Brewer, and David F. Clayton
        Open Biol. 3:130063; doi:10.1098/rsob.130063 (published September 4, 2013)

        Excerpt: "Although birds were long considered not to have an important sense of smell, the discovery of numerous OR genes [55,56], and evidence for the use of smell [57–59], suggests that olfaction in birds has been underappreciated."

        Excerpt: "...population sizes for this species therefore must also be large enough to effectively purge slightly deleterious mutations that would otherwise elevate genomic estimates of ω [74]."

        My comment: See: Bird odour predicts reproductive success. If the adaptive evolution of birds is nutrient-dependent and pheromone-controlled via the conserved molecular mechanisms in species from microbes to man, it is clear that reproductive success is their means to purge deleterious mutations. No experimental evidence suggests that mutations are ever fixed in the genome, which suggests that all mutations are purged via the conserved molecular mechanisms of nutrient-dependent pheromone-controlled adaptive evolution in all species. 

        Thus, at least one thing becomes clear about bird-brained ethologist observers and evolutionary theorists. Many of them may be living with their ongoing ignorance of the basic principles of biology and levels of biologically organization required to link the sensory environment directly to behavior. That's why they continue to believe in mutation-driven evolution in the absence of any evidence for it whatsoever in any species.

        See also: Difference in Plumage Color Used in Species Recognition between Incipient Species Is Linked to a Single Amino Acid Substitution in the Melanocortin-1 Receptor and the report that Birds use plumage colour to recognize and select potential mates. Ask yourself: "What kind of fool thinks that the reproductive success of birds is due to plumage color when reproductive success is nutrient-dependent and pheromone-controlled in every other organism of every other species on the planet?"


        And see his question and comment from the same thread:

        Q: Do you believe that all maternal and sexual imprinting in birds is due primarily to pheromones? If so, that is certainly a radical position. What about birds who are hatched from eggs in an incubator and then used for experiments in sexual conditioning.

        A: The birds imprinted via exposure to their first olfactory input, which was associated with the simultaneous exposure to a visual stimulus that would typically cause imprinting on the mother as it does with the olfactory/pheromonal conditioning of behavior in all vertebrates.   

        Clearly, my position, which I first detailed in 1992, could not have been considered to be a radical position by anyone familiar with the nutrient-dependent pheromone-controlled physiology of reproduction in any species. And Feierman's position should not have been considered to be anything other than utterly ridiculous in the context of the physiology of reproduction.  And yet, here we are six years later, with him as moderator of the ISHE group, blocking my posts on nutrient-dependent pheromone-controlled adaptive evolution because he thinks they are redundant.

        James V. Kohl
        Medical laboratory scientist (ASCP)
        Independent researcher
        Kohl, J.V. (2013) Nutrient-dependent/pheromone-controlled adaptive evolution: a model. Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 3: 20553.
        Kohl, J.V. (2012) Human pheromones and food odors: epigenetic influences on the socioaffective nature of evolved behaviors. Socioaffective Neuroscience & Psychology, 2: 17338.


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