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Re: [evol-psych] Re: News: Stronger sexual impulses, not weaker self-control, may explain

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  • mark hubey
    WE need to check testosterone levels. Or else we have to listen to someone have an opinion that in women sexual impulses are governed by a yet undiscovered
    Message 1 of 3 , Sep 22, 2013
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      WE need to check testosterone levels. Or else we have to listen to someone have an opinion that in women sexual impulses are governed by a yet undiscovered chemical/hormone.


      On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Jennifer Brout <jbrout@...> wrote:
       

      How disappointing. Clearly you haven't been hanging about women in their 40's who have sexual impulses only to be matched by 17 year old boys. 

      My hypothesis for what it's worth is that when women reach the end of their fertile years they get a strong, and I mean STRONG urge to ah...shall I say, have one last attempt at reproduction. This manifests in a more virulent-than-ever sex drive. Untested, yes, but theories being with observation of real behavior, don't they? 

      Boys, the other hand, may have a more steady sex drive throughout their 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's but as we all know for the typical man,  stamina decreases. Thus, while they are able to reproduce via their sperm supply, they aren't doing so as much. They are impaired by heart attacks, back pain, etc. Viagra and other drugs like it may be helping some men along who really want to make the effort, but age is age and age hurts the once sprightly body! 

      Thus, men peak in their youth and women in their 40's.  That's not a new story, right? 

      It has nothing to do with a difference in male or female impulses. It's timing. The two sexes have equal impulses. Have you not seen the catalogues of female sex toys? Their endless. Don't these toys count as objects of impulses? Would these be selling if women didn't have incredibly strong impulses? What woman do you know who doesn't own a vibrator or two? 

      As for self-control, women have self-control while they are raising their children and have too much to lose and most men gain what appears to be self control but is really just a failing body with less energy but still replete with reproductive material. 

      Someone else can go test this one! I think it's been tested in the field and that no more evidence is needed. LOL




      Jennifer Jo Brout, Psy.D
      Phone 914-523-5558
      Fax 888-405-8427





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      Regards,
      Mark Hubey

      "Learning to think in mathematical terms is an essential part of becoming a liberally educated person. "
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    • Joao Sousa
      Jennifer, Very interesting discussion you raise. I was always suspicious that the supposed higher male sex drive is overrated. Indeed, young males may seek sex
      Message 2 of 3 , Sep 24, 2013
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        Jennifer,


        Very interesting discussion you raise. I was always suspicious that
        the supposed higher male sex drive is overrated. Indeed, young males
        may seek sex more often, and with less concern, than young females,
        but at the 40s, women's sex drives are probably higher as you suggest.


        I can think on the following evolutionary explanation. In every
        organism, sex drive and reproduction are both costly. Reproduction
        reduces survival in female mammals (studies in deer reported by Tim
        Cutton-Brock support this). Sexual activity has health costs, because
        of STD risk (STDs can cause infertility, for example), if not other
        risks. Now, these costs are distributed to the remaining (after the
        time of a sex act) lifetime of an organism. This produces a trade-off
        between the potential benefit of a sex act (reproducing, and perhaps
        also securing a provider male partner in the case of females) and its
        costs (which will be spread across the remaining lifetime). In a
        young woman the benefit/cost ratio is lower, because the future is
        longer (she may reproduce in the next 20-30 years several times, so
        any infertility acquired through an STD, or death, will be very
        costly). But in an older woman, with few years left until menopause,
        the above ratio is higher, because future useful lifetime (useful in
        the sense of capacity for reproduction) is dramatically lower. To
        become infertile or to die at that time will only cost a little
        expected future reproduction. Thus the benefit/cost ratio is higher.
        This may explain the surge in womens' sex drive in the 40s.




        >How disappointing. Clearly you haven't been hanging about women in
        >their 40's who have sexual impulses only to be matched by 17 year old boys.
        >
        >My hypothesis for what it's worth is that when women reach the end
        >of their fertile years they get a strong, and I mean STRONG urge to
        >ah...shall I say, have one last attempt at reproduction. This
        >manifests in a more virulent-than-ever sex drive. Untested, yes, but
        >theories being with observation of real behavior, don't they?
        >
        >Boys, the other hand, may have a more steady sex drive throughout
        >their 20's, 30's, 40's, 50's but as we all know for the typical
        >man, stamina decreases. Thus, while they are able to reproduce via
        >their sperm supply, they aren't doing so as much. They are impaired
        >by heart attacks, back pain, etc. Viagra and other drugs like it may
        >be helping some men along who really want to make the effort, but
        >age is age and age hurts the once sprightly body!
        >
        >Thus, men peak in their youth and women in their 40's. That's not a
        >new story, right?
        >
        >It has nothing to do with a difference in male or female impulses.
        >It's timing. The two sexes have equal impulses. Have you not seen
        >the catalogues of female sex toys? Their endless. Don't these toys
        >count as objects of impulses? Would these be selling if women didn't
        >have incredibly strong impulses? What woman do you know who doesn't
        >own a vibrator or two?
        >
        >As for self-control, women have self-control while they are raising
        >their children and have too much to lose and most men gain what
        >appears to be self control but is really just a failing body with
        >less energy but still replete with reproductive material.
        >
        >Someone else can go test this one! I think it's been tested in the
        >field and that no more evidence is needed. LOL!
        >
        >Jennifer Jo Brout, Psy.D
        >Phone 914-523-5558
        >Fax 888-405-8427
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