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Re: [evol-psych] Degenerate art -

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  • Brad
    We often forget that the work by Monet was considered animalistic (fauve) and void of aestheticvalue. In Steven Pinker s the Blank Slate he glides over artwork
    Message 1 of 3 , Mar 10, 2013
    We often forget that the work by Monet was considered animalistic (fauve) and void of aesthetic value. In Steven Pinker's the Blank Slate he glides over artwork that overtly undermines Art in the whole. Arthur Danto had that covered in his seminal work The End of Art.

    The End of Art

    "The basic meaning of the term "art" has changed several times over the centuries, and has continued to evolve during the 20th century as well. Danto describes the history of Art in his own contemporary version of Hegel's dialectical history of art. "Danto is not claiming that no-one is making art anymore; nor is he claiming that no good art is being made any more. But he thinks that a certain history of western art has come to an end, in about the way that Hegel suggested it would."[5] The "end of art" refers to the beginning of our modern era of art in which art no longer adheres to the constraints of imitation theory but serves a new purpose. Art began with an "era of imitation, followed by an era of ideology, followed by our post-historical era in which, with qualification, anything goes... In our narrative, at first only mimesis [imitation] was art, then several things were art but each tried to extinguish its competitors, and then, finally, it became apparent that there were no stylistic or philosophical constraints. There is no special way works of art have to be. And that is the present and, I should say, the final moment in the master narrative. It is the end of the story.


    "In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act."

    -- George Orwell

    From: mark hubey <hubeev@...>
    To: Evol <evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com>
    Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 9:42 AM
    Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Degenerate art -

    Delusion, especially paranoid delusion seems to infect certain kinds of occupations. The fact that psychologicall disturbed people give off signals is so well  known that one can now see in movies and TV shows psychologists picking of disturbed children from their drawings. Painting cut off female parts (see for example Pinker's famous book on postmodernism) is not a healthy idea. Claiming there is no degenerate art is silly. Maybe so, but then it would mean there are degenerate people.

    And it does no good to claim that the artist is making a statement; after all, there is always Freud around talking about subconscious and unconscious motives that drive people to do what they do.

    The "starving artist" (the goody goody guy who is attempting to save the world and is ignored by the evil world, especially capitalist world) has apparently been replaced in the last few decades by the "paranoid delusional" artist who thinks the ovens are waiting for them, especially if they are going to be there before he gets to play Jesus Christ and Socrates together and attempt to save the world by drawing pictures.

    Art should be taught to everyone in elementary schools e.g. up to grade 5. Then it should end being taught in schools. It is low intellectual level activity. IT was done by people who could not even read and it does not belong in schools higher than 5th grade. Anything else is parasitism, especially in this day and age.

    On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:12 PM, merle lester <bmlester@...> wrote:
    looks there a few folk in the group who believe this to be true, and willing to through the ignorance begin to destroy that which they do not understand ..merle



    "those who know
     that enough is enough
     will always have enough"
     ~~~~~~ lao tzu

    Mark Hubey

    "Learning to think in mathematical terms is an essential part of becoming a liberally educated person. "
    -- Kenyon College Math Department Web Page 

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