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Re: [evol-psych] Re: [Opinions Wanted] BDSM: An evolutionary response to rape?

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  • Anna
    Message 1 of 190 , Apr 1, 2012
      <Looks into the phenomenon of rape and its perpetrators -- men and women. Focuses on false allegations of rape and the consequences of allowing anonymity for women accusers but not for the men accused.>
      This is nonsense. There is a reason to make the name of a rapist well known. To warn other women so they won’t become the next victims.
      And what would be in your opinion to make public a name of the victim? The only I can see would be sinister, to make sure that in a future no women dares to go public against her rapist. Or, do you want to warn potential rapists where could be a trouble or tell them where is easier?
      And what do you mean by false accusation? If a women is forced to have sex, it is rape.  Even if a rapist is a husband.
      Sent: Sunday, April 01, 2012 7:29 PM
      Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Re: [Opinions Wanted] BDSM: An evolutionary response to rape?



      Looks into the phenomenon of rape and its perpetrators -- men and women. Focuses on false allegations of rape and the consequences of allowing anonymity for women accusers but not for the men accused.

      • The Women-in-constant-danger paradigm
      • Date rape, drug rape and drunk rape
      • Women's fascination with rape and abuse
      • Is it true that 95% of women have been sexually abused?
      • The Home Office British crime survey and inflated rape statistics
      • Why would a woman lie about rape?
      • Spousal rape
      • What rape is not
      • The rape of men
      • Female rapists and double standards
      • Personality disorder and rape
      • How risky is it for a man to be alone with a woman in a lift?

      Exquisite Corpse 77
      Chance Favors The Prepared Mind~ L Pasteur

      --- On Sun, 4/1/12, Don Zimmerman <dwzimm@...> wrote:

      From: Don Zimmerman <dwzimm@...>
      Subject: [evol-psych] Re: [Opinions Wanted] BDSM: An evolutionary response to rape?
      To: evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Sunday, April 1, 2012, 12:26 PM


      --- In evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Karl Stonjek" <stonjek@...> wrote:

      > Humans are a species of animal. 'Animal behaviour' is sometimes used to indicate very unsophisticated and aggressive behaviour, but this has nothing to do with the fact that humans are animals.

      Think of the term "animate" in connection with "animal." Then, realize that humans, are "animated" structures, like all instances of the category "animal." A human that is not "animated" like other "animals," would be essentially dead. Or a zombie. Therefore, any religious belief that humans are not animals is essentially a belief that humans are zombies, and if humans were created in the image of God, it means either that God is dead, as Nietzsche in fact proclaimed, or, alternatively, that God is a zombie.

      Best regards,

      Donald W. Zimmerman
      Vancouver, BC, Canada

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    • Robert Karl Stonjek
      ... From: Anna To: evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Re: [evil-psych] [Opinions Wanted]
      Message 190 of 190 , Apr 9, 2012
        ----- Original Message -----
        From: Anna
        Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 12:41 PM
        Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Re: [evil-psych] [Opinions Wanted] BDSM: An evolutionary response to rape?

        Sure, religions suck, but what has it to do with faith?
        The exclusive association of faith with religion is a great pity.  Faith is the great enabler.  It can switch on the placebo effect which could well save your life.  An interesting story about a second world war doctor in a Japanese prisoner camp.  A young man was clearly dying.  In an effort to save his life he gave the young man pills, which were actually chicken poo.  The young man rallied and survived, not because of what was given to him but because of the change in his belief i.e. from believing that he would die to believing that he would live.
        There are numerous such stories, many verified scientifically and found under heading 'Placebo Effect'.
        It may be argued that all such placebo effects and faith driven ecstasies are just cases of people fooling themselves.  But this implies that we are normally entirely objective and rational, like Dr.Spock of Star Trek fame.  But this simply isn't true and proving that we are constantly misguided has been entertaining and embarrassing psychologists for many years.  Indeed, for more than a century now.  And it is embarrassing because despite their knowledge of how easily one can be fooled, they are constantly caught out by colleagues when they volunteer for a study and find that they didn't correctly pick what the researchers were actually studying (and so fell into the trap :)
        If we suffer a degree of delusion all the time then it makes sense to take hold of that delusion and guide it.  One method that we unwittingly use can be framed in a conscious way.  Think of happy events in your own past for a few minutes.  That's all it takes to lift your own mood a bit.  We do this unwittingly by reminiscing with friends ~ our mood changes to match what is being discussed, even if it changes only a little bit.
        One can further guide these loose emotional canons using techniques such as meditation.  Psychiatrists and Clinical Psychologists may use Cognitive Behavioural Therapy (CBT) to alter mood and so on.
        All of these things are fooling with our faith, the innate form that is active all the time and identifies real from not real.  We need such a mechanism because the highly processed sensory information may be very wrong, for instance seeing a person approaching with an axe only to realise that it is a bush moving in the wind.  A simple sensorial tool needed to correct for misinterpretation of sensorial information can work the other way as well, to declare something that clearly isn't real as alive, like a statue, when in its generalised (human) form.
        None of this will have any intellectual impact on the person who denies faith or attributes it only to the religious.  We tend to think of only the misapplication of faith as being 'faith' without realising that everything we think of as real is also real because of the same faith mechanism.
        Thus I can conclude that if fear of fear itself is the worst kind of fear then faith in faith itself is the highest form of faith.  It does not require an object of faith, it needs only to be acknowledged for itself as a normal, innate and useful cognitive tool without which we would have no conception of the difference between fantasy, reality, dreams and perceptual error.
        Kind Regards,
        Robert Karl Stonjek
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