Re: [evol-psych] Re: Zero Tolerance: Trump, Schwarzenegger, and Strauss-Kahn
- Not so. The actual archaeological and anthropological evidence is that there are and have been many variations on a single basic theme, that of the husband as head of the family. To believe otherwise is not even a feminist rewrite of history because even feminists recognize and agree with this most obvious fact of history. In fact it forms the very basis of feminist ideology that throughout history men have always controlled women. Of course feminists see that as evil when the fact is that it is simple natural human biology evolved through the EEA.As the saying goes 'it is difficult for the fish to see beyond the water he lives in'.EdgarOn Jun 1, 2011, at 10:19 AM, Andrew Hirst wrote:And you ignore a wealth of archaeological and anthropological evidence indicating that humans have had a wide variety of types of societal and sub-societal organisation over the course of our history. Anthropological and historical evidence indicates that most prehistoric hunter-gatherer societies were generally relatively egalitarian, and that patriarchal social structures did not develop until many years after the end of the Pleistocene era.You are denying the obvious to suit your own needs.Andrew Hirst
PhD student for the AHRC Project "Method in Philosophical Aesthetics: The challenge from the sciences"
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University of Nottingham
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Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Re: Zero Tolerance: Trump, Schwarzenegger, and Strauss-Kahn
Total PC nonsense. You ignore the entire history of humanity up till female suffrage.EdgarOn Jun 1, 2011, at 2:55 AM, Don Zimmerman wrote:
--- In email@example.com, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:
> No shoes or vaccinations is technology which is expected to advance to improve people's lives. That's totally different from the natural biological roles of man and woman which are evolved characteristics from the EEA. They are part and parcel of what human nature is. Of course one can forcibly change these roles but not without serious social consequences....
> You are comparing apples and oranges...
There is nothing biologically natural or genetic about being the so-called head of a family. The family unit and a role of leadership and decision-making are social constructions that came into existence after human cognition had already reached an advanced state. In the modern world it would be highly inefficient to have an ironclad rule as to which spouse automatically dominates and controls all matters within a family. You might say that "leadership ability" varies greatly from one individual of either gender to another and from one kind of situation and problem to another, and making it depend on gender alone would lead to ruinous waste.
Donald W. Zimmerman
Vancouver, BC, Canada
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Reaction To Women Abusing Men In Public
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--- On Mon, 6/6/11, hibbsa <hibbsa@...> wrote:
From: hibbsa <hibbsa@...>
Subject: [evol-psych] Re: Zero Tolerance: Trump, Schwarzenegger, and Strauss-Kahn
Date: Monday, June 6, 2011, 10:48 PM
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Julienne <julienne@...>
> At 04:43 AM 6/5/2011, hibbsa wrote:
> >Julienne - there's nothing wrong that I know of using an occasional
> >like 'shit' in a post. That isn't bad mouthing anyone or trying to
> >demean them or insult them or undermine them or shut them down. These
> >are the things you've been doing to Edgar. It's not swearing that's
> >problem....don't you get it?
> >The idea of you trawling through the archives looking for a reason
> >to have to face up to your behaviour, is actually very amusing. But
> >won't find an instance of me abusing someone on this list because I
> >don't that. So you're left with your own behaviour, and whether it's
> >acceptable. It isn't.
> How parental! I gather you are now the self-appointed PC Police of
> Sorry, Al, I am not going to continue this with you beyond this
> Edgar has been bullying people on here for years, even lying about me
> others. He has called me innumerable names, mocked my work, made the
> outrageously misogynistic comments, laughed about how my children
> be better off when I die when I was seriously ill a while ago.
> I looked you up because I didn't know who you are - even your gender.
> I wanted to see who might write such a pompous, self-righteous piece.
> You didn't pay the slightest attention to Edgar's abusive behaviour -
> but piled on to it. You want to shame me for responding to Edgar, but
> you excuse your own swearing.
> Too many women on here have received this kind of abusive "go away and
> be quiet" piece you sent me - and they're gone. There are just a few
> us left, but we're here. And it is not only women - men have also had
> to listen to his disdain.
> Please pay attention to the mote in your own eye.
Hi Julienne - I guess the subject is moot now so there's no point
bickering over spilt milk. No hard feelings my end...was only protesting
the excessive badmouthing - nuffin' else. Not because of any personal
sensitivity...it's just boring and drives people away. The excesses, not
you. We all do it when the passions boil, so it's not about you.
> "There is a price to pay for speaking the truth. There is a bigger
> price for living a lie."
> -Dr. Cornel West
> Julienne's Blog: http://www.myspace.com/youandthecosmos, and
> Facebook. Radio: "You and the Cosmos"