Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.
 

RE: [evol-psych] News: What are IQ tests really measuring?

Expand Messages
  • Steve Corsini
    Message 1 of 90 , May 1, 2011
      << Wasn't this known millennia ago? Why argue these facts now?
      << Artemis
      << "That, on average, there are racial correlations to IQ."
      << RAF

      Because it doesn't fit with the idea that "All people are created equal"

      This philosophy asserts that All people are created equal and all people are
      entitled to equal rights and opportunities.

      If it is shown that all people are NOT created equal then all people should
      NOT have equal rights

      Therefore the philosophy requires that all people are born with equal
      capacities and capabilities - that we are all born as blank slates with the
      same potential, and that people who don't achieve do so because of social
      factors, because they are impoverished, malnourished or don't have
      opportunities because of social inequality.

      People who hold those views naturally also fear that if science can show
      that there ARE racial differences, and that we are NOT all born equal then
      this is a valid reason to discriminate against those races in terms of
      providing equal access to education opportunities, health care and
      employment.
      Thus, if IQ tests show racial variance then those tests MUST be flawed.

      History shows that those fears are often realised - black slavery, genocide
      of Kurds by Turkey in the 1920's
      and by Sadam Hussein, Hitler's pogrom against the Jews and gypsies, Stalin,
      Idi Amin, Pol Pot, Gadaffi.

      SJC
    • Peter McCusker
      Dear Edgar,   You are right. Sincerely, Peter H. McCusker, Author of From Dweeb to Adonis - The Complete Guide to Manly Excellence www.dweebadonis.com
      Message 90 of 90 , May 17, 2011
        Dear Edgar,
         
        You are right.

        Sincerely,
        Peter H. McCusker,

        Author of From Dweeb to Adonis -
        The Complete Guide to Manly Excellence
        www.dweebadonis.com

        Designer of Chokers for Men
        www.ToughNeck.com

        --- On Wed, 5/11/11, Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...> wrote:

        From: Edgar Owen <edgarowen@...>
        Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Re: News: What are IQ tests really measuring?
        To: evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 5:04 AM

         
        I've monitored this which lives to save discussion with some amusement. There is a fundamental fallacy here and that is that all human lives have equivalent worth. In actual decision making the values of each human life will be weighted separately and decisions made on that basis. In the west it will tend to be women and children weighted higher and saved first though in fact adult males actually have higher social value from an EP perspective. There will also be weightings by race, occupation, grooming etc. even if such cues are obtained from near instantaneous visual evaluations as to which individuals will be saved first and which left to perish...

        Humans are never equal in the eyes of other humans....


        Edgar




        On May 10, 2011, at 9:35 PM, Peter McCusker wrote:

         
        Dear Robert,
         
        In real situations in which a specific number of lives are certain to be at stake depending on the course of action, it is often decided to act in a way that is most likely to minimize injury or death.  Action is delayed only if the estimated harm is not certain.  If it is already certain that either one or five are going to die, action will be done based on the lowest estimated harm.  The more estimated injuries for either course of action, the more likely a decision will be made for an action. 

        Sincerely,
        Peter H. McCusker,

        Author of From Dweeb to Adonis -
        The Complete Guide to Manly Excellence
        www.dweebadonis.com

        Designer of Chokers for Men
        www.ToughNeck.com

        --- On Sat, 5/7/11, Robert Karl Stonjek <stonjek@...> wrote:

        From: Robert Karl Stonjek <stonjek@...>
        Subject: Re: [evol-psych] Re: News: What are IQ tests really measuring?
        To: "Evolutionary-Psychology" <evolutionary-psychology@yahoogroups.com>
        Date: Saturday, May 7, 2011, 9:52 PM

         
        

        Dear Robert,
         
        I read your repeated arguments opposing the makings of numerical life saving decisions, in which one life may be sacrificed through an action instead of doing nothing that WILL cost the lives of 5 in the example given.  For the vast majority of humans who may have never undergone training in decision making regarding dangerous situations, you are probably right in recommening no decision making that would make a person responsible for the loss of ONE life. 
         
        But for those who have had training in minimising the loss of lives in certain situations, I think decision making and action by them is the right course of action.  Let's face reality.  Police and soldiers do take actions with the main purpose being that of trying to minimize harn to the innocent, while taking the lives of those who have endangered others. 
         
        Wars are also fought with the primary purpose being that of defeating an enemy who already is in the wrong.  "Good" wars are fought with the idea of minimizing injury or death to an enemy's people, but often innocent "enemy" people are put at risk of death for victory for the greater benefit of the country once mistrated. 

        Sincerely,
        Peter H. McCusker,

        Author of From Dweeb to Adonis -
        The Complete Guide to Manly Excellence
        www.dweebadonis.com

        Designer of Chokers for Men
        www.ToughNeck.com
        RKS:
        That's right.
         
        But those people are acting on the advice and instruction of their superiors and the responsibility for their actions is on the superior's shoulders, not the individual's.
         
        For such a person eg a policeman, in the train dilemma and off or on duty the same problem recurs.  Indeed, their training says that such action (eg shooting someone) should only be taken in self defence.  They know, from their own experience, how often their first impressions can be wrong.  Thus in the train scenario a well trained policeman would do nothing but call for assistance.
         
        Robert

      Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.