54295Re: [evol-psych]do animals 'know'?
- Jun 2, 2007Jay,One other note of this. You define consciousness as 'the awareness of self-awareness'. A circular definition if I ever heard one, though the 'recursive' requirement is one that is often used. In actuality consciousness is plain and simple awareness itself. The bug feels (is aware) of pain just as you and I. It must be able to experience pain to avoid injurious situations. That is the function of pain in all animals.You main error is that you think that an organism must be able to think of itself as a self to be conscious. The truth however is that the concept of 'self' is one of many mental constructs that arises within consciousness. This has been understood at least since the work of Piaget on the development of cognitive constructs in children.It is clear that even in humans, one doesn't constantly think 'I am having this thought or this experience or this perception', one generally just has the thought, the experience or the perception. One's conscious does not suddenly disappear in such cases! One is just as conscious when one is thinking 'I am having this perception' as when one is just having the perception.It is crystal clear that consciousness is independent of any requirement for 'self' consciousness. There is no recursive requirement. Consciousness and awareness are one and the same.EdgarOn Jun 2, 2007, at 12:49 AM, Jay R. Feierman wrote:
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