Loading ...
Sorry, an error occurred while loading the content.

EV Digest, Vol 52, Issue 1

Expand Messages
  • ev-request@lists.sjsu.edu
    Send EV mailing list submissions to ev@lists.sjsu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev or,
    Message 1 of 1 , Nov 1, 2011
    View Source
    • 0 Attachment
      Send EV mailing list submissions to
      ev@...

      To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
      http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
      or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
      ev-request@...

      You can reach the person managing the list at
      ev-owner@...

      When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
      than "Re: Contents of EV digest..."


      Also, please be careful not to append the entire digest to your reply. Many mail systems do this by default. Trim or delete the digest text from the bottom of your message, and quote only the parts to which you're replying.



      Today's Topics:

      1. Re: LiFePO4 shelf life? (David Nelson)
      2. Re: LiFePO4 shelf life? (Roger Stockton)
      3. 220/110VAC inverter from traction pack? (valerun)
      4. Re: J1772 Inlet Pins -- crimp or solder? (valerun)
      5. EVs4sale: Wheego-LiFe Leaf metro Force Colt Eclipse GT
      Festiva Echo Sparrow (brucedp)
      6. Re: J1772 Inlet Pins -- crimp or solder? (Elec914)
      7. Re: who is "you"? (WAS: Re: no active bms) (Chuck Hursch)
      8. Re: Home UPS from traction pack (Jay Donnaway)
      9. Re: 220/110VAC inverter from traction pack? (AMPhibian)
      10. Re: J1772 Inlet Pins -- crimp or solder? (Cory Cross)
      11. led head lights (Jack)
      12. Re: J1772 Inlet Pins -- crimp or solder? (Roland Wiench)
      13. Re: J1772 Inlet Pins -- crimp or solder? (Willie McKemie)
      14. Factory rav4 battery swap (Steve Clunn)
      15. Re: who is "you"? (WAS: Re: no active bms) (Al Lumas)
      16. Pish is a word, Pih is not... (Mike Scott)
      17. Re: Factory rav4 battery swap (Chris Zach)
      18. Re: led head lights (EVDL Administrator)
      19. Re: Pish is a word, Pih is not... (EVDL Administrator)
      20. cool Calb's? (Ben Jarrett)
      21. Re: led head lights (Jack)
      22. My latest EV (Lee Hart)
      23. Re: Pish is a word, Pih is not... (Evan Tuer)
      24. Re: led head lights (Martin WINLOW)
      25. Re: cool Calb's? (Willie McKemie)
      26. Re: Pish is a word, Pih is not... (Dave Davidson)
      27. Re: My latest EV (Rod Hower)
      28. Re: led head lights (Peri Hartman)
      29. Re: How far down RE: brush wear with ADC motors?
      (Cor van de Water)
      30. Re: cool Calb's? (Rush)


      ----------------------------------------------------------------------

      Message: 1
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:09:15 -0700
      From: David Nelson <gizmoev@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 shelf life?
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID:
      <CALxN3-gvmUmD-UFTobLgZmjLvQcMfL+cpWGYvCycEeHzbkxYCw@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

      On Monday, October 31, 2011, Willie McKemie <mckemie@...> wrote:
      >
      > Has anyone recently heard from or of Dave Kois?
      >

      A friend of mine was up to Dave's place a couple of weeks ago to get some
      stuff. We live a little over an hour away so it is often worth driving up
      to get stuff.

      --
      David D. Nelson
      http://evalbum.com/1328
      http://2003gizmo.blogspot.com
      -------------- next part --------------
      An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
      URL: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/private/ev/attachments/20111031/a725c26b/attachment.html


      ------------------------------

      Message: 2
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:11:03 -0700
      From: Roger Stockton <rstockton@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] LiFePO4 shelf life?
      To: "ev@..." <ev@...>
      Message-ID:
      <706F54AA6AA33D48AD2CDA168A1E35CF36695D5EE2@...-q.local>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

      Mark Hanson wrote:

      > I was curious what the shelf life of LiFePO4 batteries are? A guy on Ebay
      > is selling some T-Sky's that he claims are new from 08' in Dallas.

      Typical estimates are in the ballpark of 10years, but temperature has a big influence.

      No matter what the actual calendar life expectation is, batteries that are 3-4yrs old should be priced with a discount to reflect that some amount of their expected life has already been used up. Assuming a 10yr expected life, I'd expect these to be priced at least 30-40% below new cost to reflect that you can expect less life from them than from a new pack.

      > I also heard from a distributor that the "Y" Yttrium in T-sky's batteries
      > are just a stabalizer for patent purposes and don't have any positive or
      > negative performance impact. Also heard the same for "MN" in the GBS
      > batteries. probably leaning towards CALB at this point.

      Sounds like the people you spoke with didn't want to admit that they simply didn't know the answer to your questions ;^>

      Yttrium is just one possible element used for doping the cathode in some Li-ion batteries, and it affects the structure of the cathode material in ways that provide performance improvements. Here is one high-level description: <http://www.re-journal.com/en/guokanshow.asp?id=357>.

      Mn is not a dopant, but is a cathode component in its own right, with properties distinct from those of FePO4 (or metal phosphates generally). The 3 most general/common cathode materials are cobalt, manganese, and iron-phosphate; each results in batteries with better or worse performance in at least one of the areas of safety, power, or energy. Li-cobalt tends to result in the high energy density, but poor safety and modest power. Li-manganese sacrifices a bit of energy density for improved safety and power. Li-phosphate tends to result in better power and safety than the other two, but lower energy density.

      Combining multiple of these materials can result in batteries with characteristics of associated with either material. For instance, adding Mn to a Li-phosphate battery can result in a battery with the desirable safety and power characteristics of the Li-phosphate but with the higher energy density of Li-manganese.

      As an aside, one of the promising Li-ion development areas is in NMC (Ni, Mn, Co) cathodes, which use all three of these materials in various ratios to achieve batteries with a better balance of the desirable attributes of batteries made using the same materials individually. Eg. Such batteries can offer nearly the energy desity of LiCo, with the power density of LiMn and safety of LiMn/Li-phosphate. By tailoring the ratios of the materials, batteries can be produced that trade off performance in one area for better performance in another depending on the intended application.

      The "Battery University" site provides an overview of these different materials and their relative performance: <http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/lithium_based_batteries>.

      Cheers,

      Roger.




      ------------------------------

      Message: 3
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:39:20 -0700 (PDT)
      From: valerun <valery@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] 220/110VAC inverter from traction pack?
      To: ev@...
      Message-ID: <1320089960273-3960858.post@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

      Hi All -

      Anyone has seen / can point to the finished product or schematics for
      something like this.

      I am trying to make a household backup generator out of my EVs. I can build
      stuff if I have schematics. Am looking for something at the level of 5kW
      output.

      Thanks,
      Valery.




      --
      View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/220-110VAC-inverter-from-traction-pack-tp3960858p3960858.html
      Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



      ------------------------------

      Message: 4
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:36:35 -0700 (PDT)
      From: valerun <valery@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772 Inlet Pins -- crimp or solder?
      To: ev@...
      Message-ID: <1320089795810-3960649.post@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

      I've dealt with Rush of TucsonEV a few times. Did not have any issues at all.
      Seems like a nice guy. His pricing is rather fair, as well. You can always
      get similar stuff from ebay but in my experience it won't be done as nicely
      and you can't get any assemblies like you can from Rush.

      --
      View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/J1772-Inlet-Pins-crimp-or-solder-tp3956536p3960649.html
      Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



      ------------------------------

      Message: 5
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 04:34:09 -0700
      From: brucedp <brucedp@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] EVs4sale: Wheego-LiFe Leaf metro Force Colt Eclipse GT
      Festiva Echo Sparrow
      To: <ev@...>
      Message-ID:
      <13359c20eb7.4628687336204055475.-8335322727836253364@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"



      http://grandrapids.craigslist.org/ctd/2629395629.html
      $35995 2011 Wheego LiFe ts:68+mph r:90+mi Holland MI 2011-10-28

      http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/ctd/2676568839.html
      $35440 2011 Nissan LEAF 4Dr ocnissankia.com Orange CA 2011-10-30

      http://syracuse.craigslist.org/cto/2631587651.html
      $11949 1997 geo metro lyons ny 2011-10-30

      http://asheville.craigslist.org/cto/2607352202.html
      $9999 1999 Solectria Force 4-door Hendersonville TN 2011-09-19

      http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/2622206333.html
      $8600 1992 Dodge Colt Loveland CO 2011-10-28

      http://dallas.craigslist.org/mdf/cto/2611165737.html
      $7500 1995 Mitsubishi Eclipse Arlington TX 2011-09-22

      http://miami.craigslist.org/pbc/cto/2674837832.html
      $7500 1982 Bradley GT West Palm Beach FL 2011-10-29

      http://sanantonio.craigslist.org/cto/2641881269.html
      $6500 1993 Ford Festiva san antonio TX 2011-10-22

      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170719714133+&viewitem=
      $5990-bid 2005 Toyota Echo Montpelier VT

      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300616783798+&viewitem=
      $5001-bid 2000 Corbin Sparrow Waterville ME

      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130594699192+&viewitem=
      $5000-bid 2000 Corbin Sparrow Healdsburg CA

      http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2675867699.html
      $4990 1981 Jet Electrica 007 Ahwatukee AZ 2011-10-29

      http://dayton.craigslist.org/cto/2618487463.html
      $4800 Chevy Metro project Hollansburg OH 2011-09-26

      http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/cto/2675917978.html
      $4050 Ford ranger needs-repair saratoga CA 2011-10-29

      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=160672867452+&viewitem=
      $4000-bid 1988 Ford EXP 2DHB two seat Rogersville TN

      http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230691918151+&viewitem=
      $3333-bid 1980 Jet Electrica 007 Dodge Omni 024 fastback Ashland OH

      http://cincinnati.craigslist.org/cto/2646962960.html
      $2500 1981 Ford Escort project Cleves OH 2011-10-12






      http://www.evtradinpost.com/

      http://www.phoenixeaa.com/classifieds/main.html

      http://evfinder.com/classifieds.htm


      http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Low-Cost-EVSE-td3835375.html
      Low Cost EVSE


      http://modularevpower.com/Sales_J1772_to_NEMA_14-50_Adapters.htm
      Securable J1772 to 14-50 adapter box




      EVs4sale: Sep 30 2011
      http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVs4sale-Volt-pish-Ranger-Force-metro-Cooper-Porsche-Weego-Colt-Eclipse-td3860643.html

      {brucedp.150m.com}



      ------------------------------

      Message: 6
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 13:57:49 -0700 (PDT)
      From: Elec914 <jtgreeson@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772 Inlet Pins -- crimp or solder?
      To: ev@...
      Message-ID: <1320094669510-3961603.post@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

      Cory,

      I just finished making an adapter with Tuscon EV's j-1772 female socket. I
      would not recommend crimping. There is a cover that slips over the rear of
      the pins and it's a tight fit. Crimping would probably make it impossible
      to reassemble. I just soldered them and it worked great. Used a propane
      torch to make sure I had enough heat and used soldering flux paste.

      Jim

      --
      View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/J1772-Inlet-Pins-crimp-or-solder-tp3956536p3961603.html
      Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



      ------------------------------

      Message: 7
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 12:06:30 -0700
      From: Chuck Hursch <ch10h3@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] who is "you"? (WAS: Re: no active bms)
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <4EAEF1B6.8020304@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

      I suspect it is as Zeke says. I use Mozilla Thunderbird, and it
      automatically drops in the name of the person whom I responding to.
      Even back in the days when I was using Outlook Express, I think it would
      do the same. But even if I was using an interface/client that put in
      "you", I would take a moment to type in or copy/paste the name.

      On 10/30/2011 7:22 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
      > I think it has to do with what email interface/client you use. When I
      > hit reply, it puts the name in there (gmail web interface).
      >
      > Z
      >
      > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Al Lumas<ajlumas@...> wrote:
      >> "You" is what is displayed when a person hits "Reply" when replying
      >> to a message.
      >>
      >> If the person hit "Reply All" instead, then whatever name (real or
      >> otherwise) that the person set up for themselves in their email
      >> client would be displayed. If no name is set up, then the person's
      >> email username will be displayed.
      >>
      >> Some folks mistakenly think hitting "Reply All" results in their
      >> replies being sent to everyone in their address books I can't imagine
      >> anyone in this list group is that email "challenged".
      >>
      >> Al
      >>
      >> At 10:49 PM 10/29/2011, Chuck Hursch wrote:
      >>> Just a friendly suggestion to say who "you" is. While I can usually
      >>> figure it out, it's one step that could be saved with a name in the
      >>> reference. I don't know why it is only Bill Dube that has "you".
      >>>
      >>> On 10/21/2011 10:46 AM, Bill Dube wrote:
      >>> [snip]
      >>>>
      >>>> At 11:25 AM 10/21/2011, you wrote:
      >>> [snip]
      >>
      >> -------------- next part --------------
      >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
      >> URL: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/private/ev/attachments/20111030/8cbb5db6/attachment.html
      >> _______________________________________________
      >> | Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      >> | Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      >> |
      >> | REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      >> | Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      >> | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      >> | OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      >> | CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
      >>
      >
      > _______________________________________________
      > | Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      > | Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      > |
      > | REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      > | Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      > | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      > | OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      > | CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
      >



      ------------------------------

      Message: 8
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:07:21 -0400 (EDT)
      From: Jay Donnaway <jray3@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Home UPS from traction pack
      To: ev@...
      Message-ID: <8CE6630986C58D4-22DC-1BF33@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


      I'm using a rack-mount UPS on 48V worth of EV takeout AGMs, and it's performed nicely on a couple of tests in the last two years.
      I also have found 72VDC, 120VDC and 240VDC-input UPS rack-mount units in local government surplus, and am nearly ready to test the whole-house suitability of the 240V unit pulling from my nicad traction pack, fed through an Anderson connector that's spliced in after my shunt and before the main contactor (so the car doesn't have to be 'running' for UPS function, but I get full instrumentation). An added bonus of finding a UPS that matches your pack voltage is having a backup battery charger in case one say.... turns on a Manzanita unit feeding into an open pack........ask me why.

      Next iteration is to mount the 240V UPS into a range trailer, complete with the 240V, 680 lb pack of nicads (allowing continued nicad use after a lithium pack upgrade).

      Of course, these schemes do increase the energy consumption of my home, essentially adding 'vampire loads' for battery float charging and UPS standby,but worth the fun.

      -Jay
      www.karmanneclectric.blogspot.com
      -------------- next part --------------
      An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
      URL: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/private/ev/attachments/20111031/762b6c6a/attachment.html


      ------------------------------

      Message: 9
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 15:29:29 -0700 (PDT)
      From: AMPhibian <amp_phibian@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] 220/110VAC inverter from traction pack?
      To: ev@...
      Message-ID: <1320100169577-3961901.post@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

      There are a few such inverters on this page:
      http://electricbluemotors.com/products.html


      valerun wrote:
      >
      > Hi All -
      >
      > Anyone has seen / can point to the finished product or schematics for
      > something like this.
      >
      > I am trying to make a household backup generator out of my EVs. I can
      > build stuff if I have schematics. Am looking for something at the level of
      > 5kW output.
      >
      > Thanks,
      > Valery.
      >


      --
      View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/220-110VAC-inverter-from-traction-pack-tp3960858p3961901.html
      Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



      ------------------------------

      Message: 10
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 16:24:05 -0700
      From: Cory Cross <crcross@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772 Inlet Pins -- crimp or solder?
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <4EAF2E15.3020702@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

      Hi Jim,

      Thanks, that's what I was wondering!

      Cory

      On 10/31/2011 01:57 PM, Elec914 wrote:
      > Cory,
      >
      > I just finished making an adapter with Tuscon EV's j-1772 female socket. I
      > would not recommend crimping. There is a cover that slips over the rear of
      > the pins and it's a tight fit. Crimping would probably make it impossible
      > to reassemble. I just soldered them and it worked great. Used a propane
      > torch to make sure I had enough heat and used soldering flux paste.
      >
      > Jim
      >



      ------------------------------

      Message: 11
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 19:59:14 -0400
      From: "Jack" <riggi54@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] led head lights
      To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <COL109-DS2161DB752313D8F52B6617D0D60@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

      Does any one know the best LED head light replacement bulbs for cars or my motorcycle? Maybe a link to get some?
      -------------- next part --------------
      An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
      URL: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/private/ev/attachments/20111031/b57e9051/attachment.html


      ------------------------------

      Message: 12
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 18:46:20 -0600
      From: "Roland Wiench" <ev_7@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772 Inlet Pins -- crimp or solder?
      To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <SNT144-ds802671A49CF48E2712EFEBED70@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

      There is a crimping tool design for these types of pins and any Canon Plugs
      and Anderson Plugs that uses insertion pins. The tool has four dies that
      crimp 4 ways at a 90 degree spacing. The barrel does not enlarge when
      crimp.

      They are design to crimp bare terminals from a No. 22 wire barrel pin to a
      No. 6 wire barrel.

      They are made by Buchanan Co. part no. C-24.

      Roland


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Cory Cross" <crcross@...>
      To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
      Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 5:24 PM
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772 Inlet Pins -- crimp or solder?


      > Hi Jim,
      >
      > Thanks, that's what I was wondering!
      >
      > Cory
      >
      > On 10/31/2011 01:57 PM, Elec914 wrote:
      > > Cory,
      > >
      > > I just finished making an adapter with Tuscon EV's j-1772 female socket.
      > > I
      > > would not recommend crimping. There is a cover that slips over the rear
      > > of
      > > the pins and it's a tight fit. Crimping would probably make it
      > > impossible
      > > to reassemble. I just soldered them and it worked great. Used a
      > > propane
      > > torch to make sure I had enough heat and used soldering flux paste.
      > >
      > > Jim
      > >
      >
      > _______________________________________________
      > | Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      > | Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      > |
      > | REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      > | Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      > | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      > | OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      > | CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
      >



      ------------------------------

      Message: 13
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 21:26:29 -0500
      From: Willie McKemie <mckemie@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] J1772 Inlet Pins -- crimp or solder?
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <20111101022629.GS6469@c25>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

      On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 12:36:35PM -0700, valerun wrote:
      > I've dealt with Rush of TucsonEV a few times. Did not have any issues at all.

      No problem with Rush here either. I don't know about the margins but I
      suspect, especially considering the likely volume, that he is putting
      forth a lot of effort for very little return. I'm grateful for the
      products he is offering.

      --
      Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog!
      http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995
      Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 32 days 3 hours 40 minutes



      ------------------------------

      Message: 14
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 22:27:59 -0500
      From: Steve Clunn <steveclunn@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] Factory rav4 battery swap
      To: ev@...
      Message-ID:
      <CAPH-32TJR0vdLn6K1g7Jx_4XqQWB6HdHkM93vW8-4iw1cLSrsg@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

      I have a opportunity to work on a factory rav 4ev that has a bad
      pack and the owner would like to replace with li-ion . I've yet to
      look at it closely , the old pack is out and sounds like its toast , .
      He has a few EV's so we could just run some cables from another ev to
      see if it works ( my first though) but any advice ahead would be nice.
      Steve Clunn

      --
      Tomorrows Ride TODAY !
      Visit our shop web page at: www.Greenshedconversions.com



      ------------------------------

      Message: 15
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:35:43 -0700
      From: Al Lumas <ajlumas@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] who is "you"? (WAS: Re: no active bms)
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20111031202517.034efd38@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

      Sorry guys but my answer about Bill Dube's "You" was correct because
      he uses Eudora email client Version 7.0.1 which is exactly the same
      version of Eudora that I use.
      Eudora displays "You" when you hit "Reply" and displays your real or
      user name (depending on what you set up) if you hit "Reply All" when
      replying to messages.

      Here is a copy of three of the headers of a message Dube sent in
      September that I had saved:

      X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.0.1.0
      Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2011 01:58:21 -0600
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      From: Bill Dube <billdube@...>

      Otherwise, Zeke is indeed correct that it depends on the mailer one is using.

      Al Lumas

      At 12:06 PM 10/31/2011, Chuck Hursch wrote:
      >I suspect it is as Zeke says. I use Mozilla Thunderbird, and it
      >automatically drops in the name of the person whom I responding to.
      >Even back in the days when I was using Outlook Express, I think it would
      >do the same. But even if I was using an interface/client that put in
      >"you", I would take a moment to type in or copy/paste the name.
      >
      >On 10/30/2011 7:22 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote:
      > > I think it has to do with what email interface/client you use. When I
      > > hit reply, it puts the name in there (gmail web interface).
      > >
      > > Z
      > >
      > > On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Al Lumas<ajlumas@...> wrote:
      > >> "You" is what is displayed when a person hits "Reply" when replying
      > >> to a message.
      > >>
      > >> If the person hit "Reply All" instead, then whatever name (real or
      > >> otherwise) that the person set up for themselves in their email
      > >> client would be displayed. If no name is set up, then the person's
      > >> email username will be displayed.
      > >>
      > >> Some folks mistakenly think hitting "Reply All" results in their
      > >> replies being sent to everyone in their address books I can't imagine
      > >> anyone in this list group is that email "challenged".
      > >>
      > >> Al
      > >>
      > >> At 10:49 PM 10/29/2011, Chuck Hursch wrote:
      > >>> Just a friendly suggestion to say who "you" is. While I can usually
      > >>> figure it out, it's one step that could be saved with a name in the
      > >>> reference. I don't know why it is only Bill Dube that has "you".
      > >>>
      > >>> On 10/21/2011 10:46 AM, Bill Dube wrote:
      > >>> [snip]
      > >>>>
      > >>>> At 11:25 AM 10/21/2011, you wrote:
      > >>> [snip]
      > >>
      > >> -------------- next part --------------
      > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
      > >> URL:
      > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/private/ev/attachments/20111030/8cbb5db6/attachment.html
      > >> _______________________________________________
      > >> | Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      > >> | Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      > >> |
      > >> | REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      > >> | Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      > >> | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      > >> | OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      > >> | CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
      > >>
      > >
      > > _______________________________________________
      > > | Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      > > | Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      > > |
      > > | REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      > > | Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      > > | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      > > | OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      > > | CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
      > >
      >
      >_______________________________________________
      >| Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      >| Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      >|
      >| REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      >| Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      >| UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      >| OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      >| CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
      -------------- next part --------------
      An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
      URL: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/private/ev/attachments/20111031/935ccb18/attachment.html


      ------------------------------

      Message: 16
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 20:36:00 -0700
      From: Mike Scott <mike.scott@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] Pish is a word, Pih is not...
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID:
      <CAGHX4s-uO+T01Lm0kx7M=z8ruxa1LCSMi7Pi-jJQiuihcgrm1A@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

      The main problem I have is with the word Pish. Google it. Realize I am
      Scottish. I find it offensive.
      -------------- next part --------------
      An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
      URL: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/private/ev/attachments/20111031/3f84b4f6/attachment.html


      ------------------------------

      Message: 17
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:38:08 -0400
      From: Chris Zach <czach@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Factory rav4 battery swap
      To: ev@...
      Message-ID: <4EAF69A0.9010804@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

      On 10/31/2011 11:27 PM, Steve Clunn wrote:
      > I have a opportunity to work on a factory rav 4ev that has a bad
      > pack and the owner would like to replace with li-ion . I've yet to
      > look at it closely , the old pack is out and sounds like its toast , .
      > He has a few EV's so we could just run some cables from another ev to
      > see if it works ( my first though) but any advice ahead would be nice.
      > Steve Clunn

      You should *definitely* send the old pack to me. I'll even send over a
      box for it with a big bow on the top.

      Chris
      (Serious)



      ------------------------------

      Message: 18
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 23:53:08 -0400
      From: "EVDL Administrator" <evpost@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] led head lights
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <4EAF34E4.10087.2EED9C@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

      On 31 Oct 2011 at 19:59, Jack wrote:

      > Does any one know the best LED head light replacement bulbs for cars or my
      > motorcycle?

      This has been discussed many times in the past on the EVDL; you can check
      the archive. But to cut to the chase ...

      If you want your car to "look different," that's one thing. For EV range
      improvement, retrofitting with LED headlights is not very cost-effective.
      The difference in energy consumption is negligible.

      Incandescent headlights use 70 watts on high beam, 60 watts on low beam. An
      hour's drive will thus consume 70 Wh at most. The motor in a typical small
      car conversion will use around 10,000 Wh in that same time. Heater or air-
      con will use another 1500-3000 Wh.

      Eliminating 80% of the headlight consumption (56 watts) would increase your
      range by roughly 0.5% (one-half of one percent) - maybe 1% if you have an
      inefficient DC:DC converter.

      If everything else on your EV is already optimal, it might be worth it. But
      there are many other ways of reducing EV energy use (and increasing onboard
      energy storage) that will make far more difference for a given dollar
      investment.

      If range is the issue, your money would be better spent improving vehicle
      aerodynamics, getting lower rolling resistance tires, aligning the wheels,
      reducing brake drag, and/or increasing your battery pack size - unless
      you've already done all those things.

      David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
      EVDL Administrator

      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
      EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/
      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
      Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not
      reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my
      email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ .
      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =




      ------------------------------

      Message: 19
      Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 00:22:11 -0400
      From: "EVDL Administrator" <evpost@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Pish is a word, Pih is not...
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <4EAF3BB3.7976.49860D@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

      On 31 Oct 2011 at 20:36, Mike Scott wrote:

      > The main problem I have is with the word Pish. Google it. Realize I am
      > Scottish. I find it offensive.

      Let's see what the dictionary says about "pish."

      American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language
      INTERJECTION: Used to express disdain. (Several other modern mainsteam
      dictionaries have similar definitions.)

      Webster's 1828 Dictionary
      PISH, exclam. A word expressing contempt; sometimes spoken and written
      pshaw.

      Online Etymology Dictionary
      exclamation of contempt, attested from 1590s.

      Wiktionary
      Interjection
      pish 1. An expression of disdain.

      Noun
      pish (plural pishes) 1. A sibilant noise (e.g. "psshh") made by birders and
      ornithologists to attract small birds.

      Verb
      1. To try to attract birds by making a sibilant noise (e.g. "psshh").

      Wikipedia
      an imitated bird call (usually a scold or alarm call) used by birders and
      ornithologists to attract birds (generally Passerines).

      Acronym Finder
      PISH PCR (Polymerase Chain Reaction) in Situ Hybridization
      PISH Perfusion-Induced Systemic Hyperthermia

      Abbreviations.com
      PISH Partners In Senior Health

      Urban Dictionary: 1. Variation of piss, most usually used in the north
      (particularly Scotland).

      =====

      I searched as an EV-naive reader might - searching for just the word "pish"
      in dictionaries and with the first 20 hits from a search engine. I didn't
      find any reference defining PISH as "Plug In Series Hybrid" or even
      referring to vehicles. Thus I'd have to say it's regrettably likely that
      for most readers the term "pish" doesn't provide much, if any, useful
      information.

      Bearing in mind the definitions above (particularly the Urban Dictionary's),
      you might find the page displayed at www.pish.com amusing, however. ;-)

      =====

      For "pih," I found the following definitions :

      Acronym Finder
      PIH Pregnancy-Induced Hypertension (medical)
      PIH Presbyterian Intercommunity Hospital (Whittier, CA)
      PIH Poison Inhalation Hazard
      PIH Plug-In Hybrid (vehicle)
      PIH Prolactin Inhibiting Hormone
      PIH Pocatello, ID, USA (Airport Code)
      PIH Provinciale Industri?le Hogeschool
      PIH Pin in Hole (circuit card assembly process)
      PIH Pan American Institute of Highways
      PIH Partners in Health (Boston, MA)
      PIH Permanent Income Hypothesis

      Wikipedia
      PIH can refer to:
      * Partners In Health, the Harvard-affiliated international health and
      social justice organization
      * Permanent income hypothesis, an economic model
      * Plug-in hybrid, a class of electric hybrid vehicles
      * Pocatello Regional Airport
      * Pregnancy-induced hypertension
      * Prolactin Inhibiting Hormone, more commonly known as dopamine
      * ISO 639-3 language code for Norfuk/Pitkern languages
      * P.I.H. Pienet Innokkaat Habat, an alternative sports club founded in
      Turku. Known for their red shirts and exceptionally high spirit

      Urban Dictionary
      Exclamation of (not)realizing of your own stupidity and immature behavior
      typical for citizens (peasants) of Probistip ("City" in Republic of
      Macedonia).

      David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
      EVDL Administrator

      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
      EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/
      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
      Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not
      reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my
      email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ .
      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =





      ------------------------------

      Message: 20
      Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 21:42:43 -0700 (PDT)
      From: Ben Jarrett <ben_d_jarrett@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] cool Calb's?
      To: Electric Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID:
      <1320122563.96341.YahooMailNeo@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"




      I live in Autin, Texas and I'm getting ready to make my battery boxes
      for my CALB batteries. ?I'm trying to decide if I should leave a channel
      between the batteries to facilitate a possible future cooling system.

      What do y'all think? ?I plan to run 2 rows of batteries in the front under
      the hood and in the back where the gas tank used to be. ?The back will
      have 13 batteries per row. ?The front will have 12 batteries per row.

      Do I need some sort of cooling system? ?Can I just blow air over the top
      or do I need more airflow around the batteries?

      http://evalbum.com/4001


      thanks,
      -ben
      -------------- next part --------------
      An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
      URL: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/private/ev/attachments/20111031/b20b6732/attachment.html


      ------------------------------

      Message: 21
      Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 02:03:00 -0400
      From: "Jack" <riggi54@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] led head lights
      To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <COL109-DS62635BCF9A650E7EF3268D0D70@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
      reply-type=original

      Thanks David, I have done every thing except more batterers & lower rolling
      resistance tires, I guess they make them for motorcycles! The Goldwing does
      use a lot of lights front & back, I like to use my high beams most of the
      time & when the high beams are on both the front light are on together for
      better lighting that's 130 watts plus 2 more lights on the side of the 2
      head lights are 3,4 watts each that 6.8 more all together that going to be
      136.8 watts then the back light's they are lit up like a Christmas lights!!
      no idea at this time on how many & what watts are all of those lights. I am
      thinking about going with a single head lite in the front but like all the
      lights on the back so people will see them & hopefully no one will rear end
      me! but I would really like to go LED all the way!! Do U know if they make
      black lite LED's? I painted the hole bike a bright green florescent that
      glow really nice, I have 2 -18 inch black lite tubes that I am mounting on
      my overhead solar shade that is 3 1/2 feet wide & 8 1/2 feet long that
      should give me a lot of square feet over head for a lot of solar cell's
      thanks for the input David.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: EVDL Administrator
      Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:53 PM
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] led head lights

      On 31 Oct 2011 at 19:59, Jack wrote:

      > Does any one know the best LED head light replacement bulbs for cars or my
      > motorcycle?

      This has been discussed many times in the past on the EVDL; you can check
      the archive. But to cut to the chase ...

      If you want your car to "look different," that's one thing. For EV range
      improvement, retrofitting with LED headlights is not very cost-effective.
      The difference in energy consumption is negligible.

      Incandescent headlights use 70 watts on high beam, 60 watts on low beam. An
      hour's drive will thus consume 70 Wh at most. The motor in a typical small
      car conversion will use around 10,000 Wh in that same time. Heater or air-
      con will use another 1500-3000 Wh.

      Eliminating 80% of the headlight consumption (56 watts) would increase your
      range by roughly 0.5% (one-half of one percent) - maybe 1% if you have an
      inefficient DC:DC converter.

      If everything else on your EV is already optimal, it might be worth it. But
      there are many other ways of reducing EV energy use (and increasing onboard
      energy storage) that will make far more difference for a given dollar
      investment.

      If range is the issue, your money would be better spent improving vehicle
      aerodynamics, getting lower rolling resistance tires, aligning the wheels,
      reducing brake drag, and/or increasing your battery pack size - unless
      you've already done all those things.

      David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
      EVDL Administrator

      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
      EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/
      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
      Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not
      reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my
      email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ .
      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =


      _______________________________________________
      | Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      | Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      |
      | REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      | Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      | OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      | CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev



      ------------------------------

      Message: 22
      Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2011 02:06:16 -0600
      From: Lee Hart <leeahart@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] My latest EV
      To: EV list <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <4EAFA878.7040704@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

      Well, I completed my latest EV, and took it for a test drive tonight.
      I'm sorry to report that despite using two motors and even lithium
      cells, it really crawls...

      My teenage son has been complaining that our Halloween decorations are
      really lame. What could be done? A father hates to be a disappointment
      in the eyes of his son. Then last Friday, I saw a post on the Hack-A-Day
      website:

      http://hackaday.com/2011/10/27/crawling-zombie-is-shockingly-creepy/#more-59781

      *That* got his attention! But can we do it? Halloween was just days away.

      Let's see what the junque box has to offer: We found a toy R/C tank;
      that can be the "brain". I also had some 12v gearmotors left over from
      earlier BEST kid's EV projects. And some Thundersky lithiums that proved
      useless for every other EV application I've tried them in.

      The tank was stripped, and I replaced its two little motors with four
      automotive-type 40amp relays. A pair of diodes in series with two relay
      coils made one relay turn on when the R/C commanded the left tread
      "forward", and the other relay when the left tread was reversed. The
      same was done for the right tread. The relays contacts were wired to
      independently drive the two gearmotors forward and backward. An LP90A
      3.6v lithium cell was used for motor power.

      The two gearmotors were mounted with their shafts in line, back-to-back,
      on a 16" long piece of 2"x6". Each shaft has a 3" pulley, with a 5/16"
      bolt screwed into the edge to form a crank.

      The arms were made from 1"x2" wood. They go through rectangular holes in
      boards at each end of the 2"x6". Their inner ends connect to the bolts
      on the pulleys with pieces of perforated steel strap. When the motors
      run, the arms move in a circular motion (just like the outer ends of the
      oars on a rowboat). The body lifts itself on its arms, moves the arms
      back top move forward, then drops on its chest. The arms move up,
      forward, then down, and the cycle repeats.

      Forearms were bolted to the ends of the upper arms at a right angle. A
      piece of wood was screwed on for a neck, with an 8" ball for a head
      attached with coathanger wire.

      A zombie mask was pulled over the ball for a head. The arms and torso
      were first covered with old carpet padding, then an old shirt. A little
      ketchup was added for blood.

      It was barely finished in time to terrify Trick-or-Treaters. They passed
      the grisly upper half of a dead zombie body on their way to our front
      door. And when they turned to leave, it moved! In fact, it was coming
      after them! Even adults were more than a little surprised, and we had
      lots of favorable comments. Of course, we didn't use it for the really
      little ones; this thing is definitely scary!

      Unfortunately, the lithium cell just wasn't up to the job. The motors
      each draw about 10-15 amps peak, and the Thundersky sagged from 4.06v
      (its fully charged resting voltage) to 3.2v with that load. Halfway
      through the evening, it was sagging to 2.5v under load and I had to give up.

      But overall, it was still a success. This EV really *does* crawl! :-)
      --
      Lee A. Hart | Ring the bells that still can ring
      814 8th Ave N | Forget the perfect offering
      Sartell MN 56377 | There is a crack in everything
      leeahart earthlink.net | That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen



      ------------------------------

      Message: 23
      Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 08:28:15 +0000
      From: Evan Tuer <evan.tuer@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Pish is a word, Pih is not...
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID:
      <CAF3nPGEJVGyUPoepOahNR=ygHcx0N8WRjM_TPPyg2c=NtKtZMg@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

      On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 4:22 AM, EVDL Administrator <evpost@...> wrote:
      > On 31 Oct 2011 at 20:36, Mike Scott wrote:
      >
      >> The main problem I have is with the word Pish. Google it. Realize I am
      >> Scottish. I find it offensive.
      >
      >
      > I searched as an EV-naive reader might - searching for just the word "pish"
      > in dictionaries and with the first 20 hits from a search engine. ?I didn't
      > find any reference defining PISH as "Plug In Series Hybrid" or even
      > referring to vehicles. ?Thus I'd have to say it's regrettably likely that
      > for most readers the term "pish" doesn't provide much, if any, useful
      > information.

      Quite.
      Also Scottish, I don't find it "offensive" but it's certainly a bit
      bemusing, and I've brought this up before.



      ------------------------------

      Message: 24
      Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 08:52:54 +0000
      From: Martin WINLOW <m.winlow@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] led head lights
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <F6BF9423-B655-4F32-9978-7C43E14BF0CA@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

      Hi David,

      Your argument based on energy economy Vs cost is valid (you'll be
      pleased to hear ;) ) but this is not the only reason to want HID. The
      principle advantage for me of HID over standard halogen bulbs is the
      improved vision when using them especially at the verges and on the
      edge of the beams range. HID lights, with their higher amount of UV
      content, pick things out a good bit better than halogen particularly
      things designed to be reflective - clothing, cycle parts, animal eyes,
      road markings (lines), street furniture etc.

      I have seen a newer variation on the standard Halogen bulb of late
      which gives better UV performance without the hassle (and considerable
      cost) of retro-fitting the HID kit. I believe they are made by
      Phillips.

      Regards, Martin Winlow
      Herts, UK
      http://www.evalbum.com/2092
      www.winlow.co.uk


      On 1 Nov 2011, at 03:53, EVDL Administrator wrote:

      > On 31 Oct 2011 at 19:59, Jack wrote:
      >
      >> Does any one know the best LED head light replacement bulbs for
      >> cars or my
      >> motorcycle?
      >
      > This has been discussed many times in the past on the EVDL; you can
      > check
      > the archive. But to cut to the chase ...
      >
      > If you want your car to "look different," that's one thing. For EV
      > range
      > improvement, retrofitting with LED headlights is not very cost-
      > effective.
      > The difference in energy consumption is negligible.
      >
      > Incandescent headlights use 70 watts on high beam, 60 watts on low
      > beam. An
      > hour's drive will thus consume 70 Wh at most. The motor in a
      > typical small
      > car conversion will use around 10,000 Wh in that same time. Heater
      > or air-
      > con will use another 1500-3000 Wh.
      >
      > Eliminating 80% of the headlight consumption (56 watts) would
      > increase your
      > range by roughly 0.5% (one-half of one percent) - maybe 1% if you
      > have an
      > inefficient DC:DC converter.
      >
      > If everything else on your EV is already optimal, it might be worth
      > it. But
      > there are many other ways of reducing EV energy use (and increasing
      > onboard
      > energy storage) that will make far more difference for a given dollar
      > investment.
      >
      > If range is the issue, your money would be better spent improving
      > vehicle
      > aerodynamics, getting lower rolling resistance tires, aligning the
      > wheels,
      > reducing brake drag, and/or increasing your battery pack size - unless
      > you've already done all those things.
      >
      > David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
      > EVDL Administrator





      -------------- next part --------------
      An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
      URL: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/private/ev/attachments/20111101/c850372e/attachment.html


      ------------------------------

      Message: 25
      Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 07:12:18 -0500
      From: Willie McKemie <mckemie@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] cool Calb's?
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <20111101121218.GT6469@c25>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

      On Mon, Oct 31, 2011 at 09:42:43PM -0700, Ben Jarrett wrote:

      > Do I need some sort of cooling system? ?Can I just blow air over the top
      > or do I need more airflow around the batteries?
      >
      > http://evalbum.com/4001

      With no experience with CALBs, I offer: you are unlikely to encounter
      battery heating problems no matter how you package or ventilate it. I
      suspect you are worried about heat being generated in the battery under
      high current draws? With short term 2-3C draws, I have never noticed
      any battery warming.

      If you want to use your car in ~30 deg weather, you should consider
      insulating your battery and/or heating from an external source. With
      an un-heated battery, I regularly get low voltage alarms under high
      current draws in cold weather. It doesn't keep me from using the car,
      it just limits my acceleration. I'm considering some shore powered
      pre-trip battery warming for this winter.

      --
      Willie, ONWARD! Through the fog!
      http://counter.li.org Linux registered user #228836 since 1995
      Debian3.1/GNU/Linux system uptime 32 days 13 hours 13 minutes



      ------------------------------

      Message: 26
      Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 07:48:58 -0400
      From: Dave Davidson <davetex99@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Pish is a word, Pih is not...
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID:
      <CAN2uWGt1p-8JhP2Z5LMjsahED7mqag1E0TcrZ9NgDGikoxEmtw@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

      Personally, I prefer just Plug In Hybrid or PIH. Most buyers aren't
      going to care if it's a series or parallel hybrid, or some combination
      of the two. Instead, they will want to know how far they can go in all
      electric mode, what mileage they get in gas mode (or whatever fuel
      they use), and how much power they have in each mode. By the way, I
      absolutely hate the term "extended range electric vehicle" that GM
      came up with. By their definition, a diesel locomotive is an electric
      vehicle since the diesel engine powers a generator which is then used
      to power electric motors that drive the wheels.

      Dave

      On 10/31/11, Mike Scott <mike.scott@...> wrote:
      > The main problem I have is with the word Pish. Google it. Realize I am
      > Scottish. I find it offensive.
      > -------------- next part --------------
      > An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
      > URL:
      > http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/private/ev/attachments/20111031/3f84b4f6/attachment.html
      > _______________________________________________
      > | Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      > | Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      > |
      > | REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      > | Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      > | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      > | OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      > | CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev
      >

      --
      Sent from my mobile device



      ------------------------------

      Message: 27
      Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 05:21:51 -0700 (PDT)
      From: Rod Hower <rodhower@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] My latest EV
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <1320150111.95965.YahooMailRC@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

      "Even adults were more than a little surprised,"
      I would think your neighbors would expect something like this at the Hart house
      :-)
      Hopefully you'll post it on the evalbum under 'other' EV, I would like to see
      your creation!


      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Lee Hart <leeahart@...>
      To: EV list <ev@...>
      Sent: Tue, November 1, 2011 4:06:16 AM
      Subject: [EVDL] My latest EV

      Well, I completed my latest EV, and took it for a test drive tonight.
      I'm sorry to report that despite using two motors and even lithium
      cells, it really crawls...

      My teenage son has been complaining that our Halloween decorations are
      really lame. What could be done? A father hates to be a disappointment
      in the eyes of his son. Then last Friday, I saw a post on the Hack-A-Day
      website:

      http://hackaday.com/2011/10/27/crawling-zombie-is-shockingly-creepy/#more-59781

      *That* got his attention! But can we do it? Halloween was just days away.

      Let's see what the junque box has to offer: We found a toy R/C tank;
      that can be the "brain". I also had some 12v gearmotors left over from
      earlier BEST kid's EV projects. And some Thundersky lithiums that proved
      useless for every other EV application I've tried them in.

      The tank was stripped, and I replaced its two little motors with four
      automotive-type 40amp relays. A pair of diodes in series with two relay
      coils made one relay turn on when the R/C commanded the left tread
      "forward", and the other relay when the left tread was reversed. The
      same was done for the right tread. The relays contacts were wired to
      independently drive the two gearmotors forward and backward. An LP90A
      3.6v lithium cell was used for motor power.

      The two gearmotors were mounted with their shafts in line, back-to-back,
      on a 16" long piece of 2"x6". Each shaft has a 3" pulley, with a 5/16"
      bolt screwed into the edge to form a crank.

      The arms were made from 1"x2" wood. They go through rectangular holes in
      boards at each end of the 2"x6". Their inner ends connect to the bolts
      on the pulleys with pieces of perforated steel strap. When the motors
      run, the arms move in a circular motion (just like the outer ends of the
      oars on a rowboat). The body lifts itself on its arms, moves the arms
      back top move forward, then drops on its chest. The arms move up,
      forward, then down, and the cycle repeats.

      Forearms were bolted to the ends of the upper arms at a right angle. A
      piece of wood was screwed on for a neck, with an 8" ball for a head
      attached with coathanger wire.

      A zombie mask was pulled over the ball for a head. The arms and torso
      were first covered with old carpet padding, then an old shirt. A little
      ketchup was added for blood.

      It was barely finished in time to terrify Trick-or-Treaters. They passed
      the grisly upper half of a dead zombie body on their way to our front
      door. And when they turned to leave, it moved! In fact, it was coming
      after them! Even adults were more than a little surprised, and we had
      lots of favorable comments. Of course, we didn't use it for the really
      little ones; this thing is definitely scary!

      Unfortunately, the lithium cell just wasn't up to the job. The motors
      each draw about 10-15 amps peak, and the Thundersky sagged from 4.06v
      (its fully charged resting voltage) to 3.2v with that load. Halfway
      through the evening, it was sagging to 2.5v under load and I had to give up.

      But overall, it was still a success. This EV really *does* crawl! :-)
      --
      Lee A. Hart | Ring the bells that still can ring
      814 8th Ave N | Forget the perfect offering
      Sartell MN 56377 | There is a crack in everything
      leeahart earthlink.net | That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen

      _______________________________________________
      | Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      | Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      |
      | REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      | Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      | OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      | CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev



      ------------------------------

      Message: 28
      Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 06:45:01 -0700
      From: "Peri Hartman" <perih@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] led head lights
      To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <46548F4C142F437090FB76D233A7FAA5@kotatkoperi>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

      Jack,

      Have you looked at the Cree products? They manufacture some pretty amazing
      LEDs. The specs are over my head to read, but they have a few ready-to-use
      products, such as this 110V unit:
      http://www.creeledlighting.com/Products/Downlights/6inchdownlights/LR6-DR100
      0.aspx

      Or, you can buy OEM products such as this bike light - approx 8V. This one
      is supposedly 1000 lumins:
      http://www.google.com/products/catalog?hl=en&q=led+bike+light&um=1&ie=UTF-8&
      tbm=shop&cid=8845104334424567902&sa=X&ei=vO6vTuWdMMiUiAKgx_Qd&ved=0CJABEPMCM
      AE#

      (I have one of the latter and can attest to its stellar performance!)

      Peri


      -----Original Message-----
      From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On Behalf
      Of Jack
      Sent: 31 October, 2011 11:03 PM
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] led head lights

      Thanks David, I have done every thing except more batterers & lower rolling
      resistance tires, I guess they make them for motorcycles! The Goldwing does
      use a lot of lights front & back, I like to use my high beams most of the
      time & when the high beams are on both the front light are on together for
      better lighting that's 130 watts plus 2 more lights on the side of the 2
      head lights are 3,4 watts each that 6.8 more all together that going to be
      136.8 watts then the back light's they are lit up like a Christmas lights!!
      no idea at this time on how many & what watts are all of those lights. I am
      thinking about going with a single head lite in the front but like all the
      lights on the back so people will see them & hopefully no one will rear end
      me! but I would really like to go LED all the way!! Do U know if they make
      black lite LED's? I painted the hole bike a bright green florescent that
      glow really nice, I have 2 -18 inch black lite tubes that I am mounting on
      my overhead solar shade that is 3 1/2 feet wide & 8 1/2 feet long that
      should give me a lot of square feet over head for a lot of solar cell's
      thanks for the input David.

      -----Original Message-----
      From: EVDL Administrator
      Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:53 PM
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] led head lights

      On 31 Oct 2011 at 19:59, Jack wrote:

      > Does any one know the best LED head light replacement bulbs for cars
      > or my motorcycle?

      This has been discussed many times in the past on the EVDL; you can check
      the archive. But to cut to the chase ...

      If you want your car to "look different," that's one thing. For EV range
      improvement, retrofitting with LED headlights is not very cost-effective.
      The difference in energy consumption is negligible.

      Incandescent headlights use 70 watts on high beam, 60 watts on low beam. An
      hour's drive will thus consume 70 Wh at most. The motor in a typical small
      car conversion will use around 10,000 Wh in that same time. Heater or air-
      con will use another 1500-3000 Wh.

      Eliminating 80% of the headlight consumption (56 watts) would increase your
      range by roughly 0.5% (one-half of one percent) - maybe 1% if you have an
      inefficient DC:DC converter.

      If everything else on your EV is already optimal, it might be worth it. But
      there are many other ways of reducing EV energy use (and increasing onboard
      energy storage) that will make far more difference for a given dollar
      investment.

      If range is the issue, your money would be better spent improving vehicle
      aerodynamics, getting lower rolling resistance tires, aligning the wheels,
      reducing brake drag, and/or increasing your battery pack size - unless
      you've already done all those things.

      David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
      EVDL Administrator

      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information:
      http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
      = = = =
      Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To
      send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage
      http://www.evdl.org/help/ .
      = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =


      _______________________________________________
      | Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      | Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      |
      | REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      | Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      | OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      | CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev

      _______________________________________________
      | Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      | Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      |
      | REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      | Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      | OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      | CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev





      ------------------------------

      Message: 29
      Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 07:01:21 -0700
      From: "Cor van de Water" <CWater@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] How far down RE: brush wear with ADC motors?
      To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
      Message-ID:
      <A73BC4B8B3218642A56A2C9EB01B44E0012A303B@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

      The ultimate hypocrisy:
      Jack supporting Brunka without providing any evidence
      that his special silver brush to eliminate bearing
      deterioration is needed, all the while accusing the
      BMS providers for selling blue elephant guns....
      Reality is sometimes weirder than fiction.

      Let's see if we can get some facts instead of fiction
      (and yes, I *have* heard of instances of bearing
      failure due to induced currents. For example in an ICE
      car where the engine to frame ground strap was broken.

      Regards,

      Cor van de Water
      Chief Scientist
      Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
      Email: CWater@... Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
      Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP: +31877841130
      Tel: +1 408 383 7626 Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203

      -----Original Message-----
      From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On
      Behalf Of Jeff Major
      Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 11:27 PM
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] How far down RE: brush wear with ADC motors?

      Hi David,

      Tom Brunka (Helwig Carbon guy) did do a nice presentation. Just a few
      things I take issue with. I rarely (like never) watch those EVTVme
      (Jack's) shows. It takes forever to load at home and then I find it
      difficult to sit through hours to see an interesting minute or two. But
      I used a computer (and internet connection) at the university and
      started watching at 1.5 hours into it. Mr. Brunka's part was
      interesting and easy to stick with.

      Just prior to Brunka's spot, Jack has an armature on the table in front
      of him, so I watched a few minutes there. Jack doesn't explain the
      armature function well at all concerning the coils and induced voltage
      and then jumps into shaft/bearing currents. Brunka also mentions
      shaft/bearing currents in his presentation and shows a silver brush
      assembly designed to counter the problem which Helwig offers for sale.
      Is there any reference to a documented proven case where this phenomenon
      has cause a failure in a DC motor in an EV? Is there any indication
      there are mass bearing failures occurring in DC motors in EVs which
      might be attributed to shaft/bearing currents? Give me a break or show
      me some evidence or study.

      The other thing I think Mr. Brunka should have spent time on is the
      difference between shaping and seating brushes. Quite a few post
      presentation questions were about his recommended 5 to 6 days motor
      break-in period. He does mention electrical wear being 4 times greater
      than mechanical wear. But then supports the notion that break-in can be
      done by rotating the unpowered motor. While this may wear the brush
      face to the shape of the comm, it does nothing to seat the brush or
      establish the proper film on the comm. It requires current through the
      brush/comm contact to seat and film properly. The practice of running
      the motor at no load from 12V typically uses 40 to 70A. This is less
      than optimal current density in the brush and therefore takes longer.
      Proper seating at the rated current would require less time. But
      running at zero current will not seat them.

      Anyway, thanks for posting the link.

      Regards,

      Jeff M

      --- On Mon, 10/31/11, David Nelson <gizmoev@...> wrote:

      > Bob,
      >
      > Starting at 1:35 of http://media3.ev-tv.me/news102111-1280.mov is a
      > talk by a Helwig Carbon guy who is also an EV guy and he talks about
      > that very thing, in addition to a bunch of other useful stuff. It is
      > worth the time to watch it. For a smaller version you can go to
      > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jrg2bImxBQ
      >
      > HTH,

      _______________________________________________
      | Moratorium on drag racing discussion is in effect.
      | Please take those discussions elsewhere. Thanks.
      |
      | REPLYING: address your message to ev@... only.
      | Multiple-address or CCed messages may be rejected.
      | UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub
      | OTHER HELP: http://evdl.org/help/
      | CONFIGURE: http://lists.sjsu.edu/mailman/listinfo/ev



      ------------------------------

      Message: 30
      Date: Tue, 1 Nov 2011 00:09:44 -0700
      From: "Rush" <Rush@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] cool Calb's?
      To: "Ben Jarrett" <ben_d_jarrett@...>, "Electric Vehicle
      Discussion List" <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <DE1793414AC545E2A656F1212605C2A0@5thwheel>
      Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
      reply-type=original

      Here's a thought - put some Polycarbonate clear twinwall
      http://www.greenhouses-etc.net/glazing/twinwall.htm
      between the batteries. Leave an inch or so clear at the bottom so that the twinwall will conduct air
      and cool the batteries. You'll have to work out the details of how to intersect the panels, end
      them, etc.

      Rush Dougherty
      www.TucsonEV.com
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Ben Jarrett" <ben_d_jarrett@...>
      To: "Electric Discussion List" <ev@...>
      Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 9:42 PM
      Subject: [EVDL] cool Calb's?





      I live in Autin, Texas and I'm getting ready to make my battery boxes
      for my CALB batteries. I'm trying to decide if I should leave a channel
      between the batteries to facilitate a possible future cooling system.

      What do y'all think? I plan to run 2 rows of batteries in the front under
      the hood and in the back where the gas tank used to be. The back will
      have 13 batteries per row. The front will have 12 batteries per row.

      Do I need some sort of cooling system? Can I just blow air over the top
      or do I need more airflow around the batteries?

      http://evalbum.com/4001


      thanks,
      -ben
      -------------- next
      (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
    Your message has been successfully submitted and would be delivered to recipients shortly.