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      Today's Topics:

      1. Re: ! (Lee Hart)
      2. Re: [seva] 100 amp (Peri Hartman)
      3. Re: [seva] 100 amp (Peri Hartman)
      4. Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE (leaf@...)
      5. Re: Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE (Cor van de Water)
      6. Re: Efficiency of rotary inverters (John McManus)
      7. Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE (Steven Spies)
      8. Re: Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE (Lee Hart)
      9. Re: Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE (Cor van de Water)
      10. Re: Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE (Cor van de Water)
      11. Re: Efficiency of rotary inverters (Lee Hart)
      12. electric snowblower (Martin K)
      13. Re: electric snowblower (Rod Hower)
      14. Re: electric snowblower (Martin K)
      15. EVjobs: Acct-Exec Director Project-Mgr SVP Analyst Engineer
      Tech Sales + (brucedp)
      16. Re: Prius_plug-in e-range:13mi e-ts:60mph charge:3Hr 50mpge
      (brucedp3)
      17. Smith EVs (brucedp)
      18. looking for saft stm 5-100 modules (Seth Allen)
      19. Re: looking for saft stm 5-100 modules (Bill Dube)
      20. Re: Nissan Leaf EV (brucedp2)
      21. Throttle input on early Kelly Controller (Steve Powers)
      22. Mazda R&D EV, range:100+mi leasing in Japan in spring 2012
      (brucedp)
      23. Re: Throttle input on early Kelly Controller (Cor van de Water)
      24. Re: Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE (Rush)
      25. Introduction - New EV List Member (Jeff Haskell)


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      Message: 1
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:42:16 -0600
      From: Lee Hart <leeahart@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] !
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <4D471EA8.6090900@...>
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      K O wrote:
      > Agreed! So far the most likely energy for forming such a "trade
      > organization" comes from, from my point of view, is NEDRA. They have
      > a rule book for drag racing EVs. AS EVs become production main
      > stream, the technical competition will get focused on the racetrack
      > alongside gassers.

      NEDRA has possibilities; also the EAA and even the EVAA as you mentioned.

      The problem is that all of these groups are highly specialized. They
      appeal to a small sliver of EV drivers, and so do not represent the
      majority of EV drivers. No organization does!

      It seems like any given special interest group needs to be threatened
      until its members feel that they *must* act or be crushed. You see this
      in the formation of the Experimental Aircraft Association, which formed
      because commercial interests were basically out to ban private aircraft.
      You also see it in the American Radio Relay League, when commercial
      broadcasters sought to make amateur radio illegal.

      Today, I think the vested interests (oil and auto industries) are far
      more subtle. That makes them more dangerous. For example, here in
      Minnesota, they passed a law a couple years ago that allowed NEVs on the
      state's highways. But sneaked into that law was a provision that
      "homebuilt NEVs can not be registered." Bang; you're dead! No more
      low-speed hobby EVs.

      Similarly, when Ford and GM wrote the rules for charging EVs in the 1997
      NEC, they made sure it required their own proprietary charging systems.
      Technically, almost all of our home charging installations violate code!
      It's only because the code is so poorly enforced that we can get away
      with it.

      But what's going to happen if GM or Nissan decides that home EVs are
      threating their EV business? They will lobby for tighter enforcement of
      these existing codes. We're going to hear fear mongering, and loud calls
      (with big campaign contributions) to ban anything but "approved"
      charging. And, they will make darned sure that hobby EVs can't use
      "their" chargers.

      What I fear is that some law will be pushed through, under the radar,
      that effectively bans home-built and small company EVs. It will be a
      fact before the EV community even starts to respond. By then, it may be
      too late! It would take millions of dollars of lobbying and a major
      concerted effort of thousands of people to change it!

      > I understand why Clare Bell writes SciFi about cats, after working
      > with engineers ;-}

      Thanks for my laugh of the day! :-)

      But I do find cats and engineers to be highly rational and self
      consistent. They have their own internal rules, and they follow them.
      The key to getting them to do something is to understand what is
      motivating them, and work *with* it.
      --
      Lee A. Hart | Ring the bells that still can ring
      814 8th Ave N | Forget the perfect offering
      Sartell MN 56377 | There is a crack in everything
      leeahart earthlink.net | That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen



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      Message: 2
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:36:31 -0800
      From: "Peri Hartman" <perih@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] [seva] 100 amp
      To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <A88BB42BEBDC4959859852ABF5506B19@kotatkoperi>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"


      Thanks for posting this Steve. I haven't watched a lecture online before -
      interesting experience. And, nice to be able to replay a bit if I missed
      something.

      I thought I'd share a few points that were interesting to me (I hope I got
      these right):

      - the electrolyte is always an organic solvent and is, therefore, flammable.
      However, it is nearly entirely absorbed into the anode and cathode, so there
      isn't anything that can squirt out. Could gas though, if overheated.

      - there was some talk about pulsing during charge and discharge. A series
      of very short pulses will heat the areas that are receiving or giving up
      lithium ions without risk of damage from overall overheating. Being warmer,
      the chemical reactions happen quicker, increasing the the charge or
      discharge current.

      - he (Jay Whitacre @ CMU) recommends making a cost tradeoff and not have a
      BMS on each cell. While he didn't distinguish between packs with 1000s of
      small cells and a handfull of 200Ah large cells, he felt that it is safe to
      put a BMS on strings of very closely matched cells and worth the cost
      tradeoff.

      - he harped on keeping the current down. The high heat caused by high
      current changes the chemical bonding of lithium ions to the cathode and
      anode, and they are taken out of action, reducing the capacity of the cell.
      In addition, the heat is wasted energy.

      Peri Hartman

      -----Original Message-----
      From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On Behalf
      Of Steven Lough
      Sent: 30 January, 2011 11:00 AM
      To: seva@...; EVDL Receiver
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] [seva] 100 amp

      Dan !! Everyone !! This is an EXCELLENT Video ! Long yes... at a
      college level chemistry lecture level.

      I am riveted to it ! Our whole household has ground to a Halt, till I see
      it all the way through.

      Many Thanks...

      On 1/30/11 10:08 AM, Dan Bentler wrote:
      > Watch this video for the big Li picture. In there he will tell you
      > about shot batteries and why it happens. Good info but he runs pretty
      > fast.
      > http://www.ri.cmu.edu/video_view.html?video_id=60&menu_id=387
      > <http://www.ri.cmu.edu/video_view.html?video_id=60&menu_id=387>
      > Dan Bentler
      >
      > -
      >
      >
      > -----------------------------------------------------------
      > Visit the SEVA website at http://www.seattleeva.org
      > <http://www.seattleeva.org/>
      > Our New Forums are at http://www.seattleeva.org/smf
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      --
      Steven S Lough
      President: Seattle EV Associatin
      206 524 1351
      WEB: www.seattleeva.org

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      Message: 3
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 12:51:46 -0800
      From: "Peri Hartman" <perih@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] [seva] 100 amp
      To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
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      Oops. Thanks to Dan!

      -----Original Message-----
      From: Peri Hartman [mailto:perih@...]
      Sent: 31 January, 2011 12:37 PM
      To: 'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'
      Subject: RE: [EVDL] [seva] 100 amp


      Thanks for posting this Steve. I haven't watched a lecture online before -
      interesting experience. And, nice to be able to replay a bit if I missed
      something.

      I thought I'd share a few points that were interesting to me (I hope I got
      these right):

      - the electrolyte is always an organic solvent and is, therefore, flammable.
      However, it is nearly entirely absorbed into the anode and cathode, so there
      isn't anything that can squirt out. Could gas though, if overheated.

      - there was some talk about pulsing during charge and discharge. A series
      of very short pulses will heat the areas that are receiving or giving up
      lithium ions without risk of damage from overall overheating. Being warmer,
      the chemical reactions happen quicker, increasing the the charge or
      discharge current.

      - he (Jay Whitacre @ CMU) recommends making a cost tradeoff and not have a
      BMS on each cell. While he didn't distinguish between packs with 1000s of
      small cells and a handfull of 200Ah large cells, he felt that it is safe to
      put a BMS on strings of very closely matched cells and worth the cost
      tradeoff.

      - he harped on keeping the current down. The high heat caused by high
      current changes the chemical bonding of lithium ions to the cathode and
      anode, and they are taken out of action, reducing the capacity of the cell.
      In addition, the heat is wasted energy.

      Peri Hartman

      -----Original Message-----
      From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On Behalf
      Of Steven Lough
      Sent: 30 January, 2011 11:00 AM
      To: seva@...; EVDL Receiver
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] [seva] 100 amp

      Dan !! Everyone !! This is an EXCELLENT Video ! Long yes... at a
      college level chemistry lecture level.

      I am riveted to it ! Our whole household has ground to a Halt, till I see
      it all the way through.

      Many Thanks...

      On 1/30/11 10:08 AM, Dan Bentler wrote:
      > Watch this video for the big Li picture. In there he will tell you
      > about shot batteries and why it happens. Good info but he runs pretty
      > fast.
      > http://www.ri.cmu.edu/video_view.html?video_id=60&menu_id=387
      > <http://www.ri.cmu.edu/video_view.html?video_id=60&menu_id=387>
      > Dan Bentler
      >
      > -
      >
      >
      > -----------------------------------------------------------
      > Visit the SEVA website at http://www.seattleeva.org
      > <http://www.seattleeva.org/>
      > Our New Forums are at http://www.seattleeva.org/smf
      > If you wish to unsubscribe from this mailing, send mail to
      > list2008@...
      >
      <http://us.mc1617.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=list2008@...>
      > with a subject of: unsubscribe seva
      >
      >


      --
      Steven S Lough
      President: Seattle EV Associatin
      206 524 1351
      WEB: www.seattleeva.org

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      Message: 4
      Date: 31 Jan 2011 15:53:39 -0500
      From: leaf@...
      Subject: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE
      To: ev@...
      Message-ID: <lfwndf.vujp63@localhost>
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      I have a EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE that I have retrofitted by replacing the Avcon with a Yazaki. What I have discovered however is that this particular unit was programmed to only allow one charge cycle per charge request. That is to say once a charge request is completed the unit will no longer provide a pilot signal until it is unplugged and plugged back in again. This behavior prevents the EVSE from working properly with my new Leaf.

      According to Jason at ClipperCreek this programming was done to get around a bug that was in the original Honda EV Plus. The bug was that after the Honda EV Plus finished a charge cycle it would keep listening to the pilot if it was plugged in and would eventually kill the 12 volt battery as a result. So having the pilot shut down after one cycle prevented this.

      I was told by the folks at ClipperCreek that there is currently no practical method to remove this single cycle programming from this unit and I should just consider buying a new unit or continue to work with this unit as is. I was also told that they no longer have the documents or programming equipment for this unit.

      What information about the unit I could find on the web http://www.bowzerbird.com/eviweb/products2.html#mcs100

      So I am looking for help in removing this single cycle feature. Any help or suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks!
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      Message: 5
      Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 02:45:40 +0530
      From: "Cor van de Water" <CWater@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE
      To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
      Message-ID:
      <1E3D081C7B502B4A988F643E604CF96301316603@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

      So, what you want is a small circuit that listens to the pilot,
      when the pilot completely disappears it will power up a relay
      where the relay has a normally closed contact in the feed to
      the charger, so the charger auto-resets itself as soon as
      the pilot signal disappears.

      This what you want?
      How experienced are you with designing and building some
      electronics?
      This would probably not be more than 2 transistors,
      a capacitor, three resistors, a diode and a relay.

      Regards,

      Cor van de Water
      Director HW & Systems Architecture Group
      Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
      Email: CWater@... Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
      Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: cor_van_de_water@...
      Tel: +1 408 383 7626 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
      Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 XoIP: +31877841130

      -----Original Message-----
      From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On
      Behalf Of leaf@...
      Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:24 AM
      To: ev@...
      Subject: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE

      I have a EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE that I have retrofitted by replacing the
      Avcon with a Yazaki. What I have discovered however is that this
      particular unit was programmed to only allow one charge cycle per charge
      request. That is to say once a charge request is completed the unit
      will no longer provide a pilot signal until it is unplugged and plugged
      back in again. This behavior prevents the EVSE from working properly
      with my new Leaf.

      According to Jason at ClipperCreek this programming was done to get
      around a bug that was in the original Honda EV Plus. The bug was that
      after the Honda EV Plus finished a charge cycle it would keep listening
      to the pilot if it was plugged in and would eventually kill the 12 volt
      battery as a result. So having the pilot shut down after one cycle
      prevented this.

      I was told by the folks at ClipperCreek that there is currently no
      practical method to remove this single cycle programming from this unit
      and I should just consider buying a new unit or continue to work with
      this unit as is. I was also told that they no longer have the documents
      or programming equipment for this unit.

      What information about the unit I could find on the web
      http://www.bowzerbird.com/eviweb/products2.html#mcs100

      So I am looking for help in removing this single cycle feature. Any
      help or suggestions will be appreciated. Thanks!
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      Message: 6
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:27:18 -0400
      From: John McManus <annieatbr@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Efficiency of rotary inverters
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID:
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      Thanks Lee:
      I finally got an extra fan, 2 motors, 2 switches etc . together and tried
      your idea. The unloaded motor started at about 6 amps and ran at 4+. With
      this motor running the loaded fan motor drew 19 amps to start then down to
      6. This is probably too much for my 2 k inverter .
      I haven't tried DC as I haven't got the parts. I'm looking for a capacitor
      start motor, I only need thye starting amperage to fall by about 4-5.

      John

      On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 11:52 AM, Lee Hart <leeahart@...> wrote:

      > On 1/27/2011 9:22 AM, John McManus wrote:
      > > I have a wind turbine with a 96v battery bank and a 2k inverter. The
      > > inverter shuts off on safety before the amperage drw of my furnace fan
      > > dropps ( 16= start, 6 run).
      > > I have tried a PSC motor , a 5 speed motor and a super eficient fan motor
      > > with no sucess. I'm looking for a 1/4 hp capacitor start motor to try.
      > > Besides buying a 96 volt 3k inverter, does anyone have any ideas.
      > > Other than that, my electric lawnmower (ev album-Nova Scotia) charged on
      > > solar panels all summer and cut 75 hours of grass. My Suzuki Carry mini
      > > truch sailed into Halifax yesterday and the conversion will soon begin.
      >
      > Try connecting an induction motor with no load to the inverter first.
      > Then connect your furnace motor. The motor that's already running
      > momentarily becomes a generator, and supplies some of the starting
      > current for the furnace motor.
      >
      > But the other problem you may be facing is that many inverters have
      > highly inflated ratings. Your "2kw" inverter may in fact not be able to
      > power any load that touches 2kw for even a fraction of a second.
      >
      > --
      > Lee A. Hart | Ring the bells that still can ring
      > 814 8th Ave N | Forget the perfect offering
      > Sartell MN 56377 | There is a crack in everything
      > leeahart earthlink.net | That's how the light gets in -- Leonard Cohen
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      Message: 7
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 14:28:32 -0800
      From: Steven Spies <sspies@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE
      To: ev@...
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      Thanks for the suggestion but unfortunately that will not work in my case.

      I had already thought about doing what you suggest and simulated it by
      momentarily, like for a split second, disconnecting the pilot within
      the EVSE while plugged into the Leaf. ?The result is that the Leaf
      still goes through this "testing" cycle where it requests a momentary
      charge. ?The Leaf does this cycle every time it is plugged in or in
      this case when the pilot returns. ?Creating the circuit that you
      mention would just end up having the EVSE and the Leaf in an infinite
      loop.

      In the end I guess what I am looking for is a replacement pilot
      generator that I can use in this EVSE or a way to hack the EVSE in
      such a way that removes the disabling of the pilot after a cycle. ?I
      am fairly good with tools and electronics and I am willing to
      disassemble this EVSE for further exploration since with its current
      limitation it is not much good for using with the Leaf. ?I can get by
      with just L1 charging with the Leaf for now but if I don't find a
      solution for this EVSE soon I will probably purchase a different EVSE
      and offer this one for sale.

      On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ?<leaf.3831168475@...> wrote:
      > Original email sent from: CWater@...
      >
      > So, what you want is a small circuit that listens to the pilot,
      > when the pilot completely disappears it will power up a relay
      > where the relay has a normally closed contact in the feed to
      > the charger, so the charger auto-resets itself as soon as
      > the pilot signal disappears.
      >
      > This what you want?
      > How experienced are you with designing and building some
      > electronics?
      > This would probably not be more than 2 transistors,
      > a capacitor, three resistors, a diode and a relay.
      >
      > Regards,
      >
      > Cor van de Water
      > Director HW & Systems Architecture Group
      > Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
      > Email: CWater@... ? ?Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
      > Skype: cor_van_de_water ? ? IM: cor_van_de_water@...
      > Tel: +1 408 383 7626 ? ? ? ?VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
      > Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 XoIP: +31877841130
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On
      > Behalf Of leaf@...
      > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:24 AM
      > To: ev@...
      > Subject: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE
      >
      > I have a EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE that I have retrofitted by replacing the
      > Avcon with a Yazaki. ?What I have discovered however is that this
      > particular unit was programmed to only allow one charge cycle per charge
      > request. ?That is to say once a charge request is completed the unit
      > will no longer provide a pilot signal until it is unplugged and plugged
      > back in again. This behavior prevents the EVSE from working properly
      > with my new Leaf.
      >
      > According to Jason at ClipperCreek this programming was done to get
      > around a bug that was in the original Honda EV Plus. ?The bug was that
      > after the Honda EV Plus finished a charge cycle it would keep listening
      > to the pilot if it was plugged in and would eventually kill the 12 volt
      > battery as a result. ?So having the pilot shut down after one cycle
      > prevented this.
      >
      > I was told by the folks at ClipperCreek that there is currently no
      > practical method to remove this single cycle programming from this unit
      > and I should just consider buying a new unit or continue to work with
      > this unit as is. ?I was also told that they no longer have the documents
      > or programming equipment for this unit.
      >
      > What information about the unit I could find on the web
      > http://www.bowzerbird.com/eviweb/products2.html#mcs100
      >
      > So I am looking for help in removing this single cycle feature. ?Any
      > help or suggestions will be appreciated. ?Thanks!
      > _________________________________________________________________
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      Message: 8
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:36:47 -0600
      From: Lee Hart <leeahart@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE
      To: leaf@..., Electric Vehicle Discussion List
      <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <4D47397F.2090803@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

      leaf@... wrote:
      > I have a EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE that I have retrofitted by replacing the
      > Avcon with a Yazaki. What I have discovered however is that this
      > particular unit was programmed to only allow one charge cycle per
      > charge request. That is to say once a charge request is completed
      > the unit will no longer provide a pilot signal until it is unplugged
      > and plugged back in again. This behavior prevents the EVSE from
      > working properly with my new Leaf.

      Seems rather short-sighted to modify the charge station so it only works
      with one particular EV. A 90-day warranty on a product advertised as
      "extremely reliable" is also peculiar.

      If this is your own MCS 100-3, can't you simply eliminate or bypass the
      relay that is turning off the AC power?

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      Message: 9
      Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 04:07:02 +0530
      From: "Cor van de Water" <CWater@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE
      To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
      Message-ID:
      <1E3D081C7B502B4A988F643E604CF9630131660A@...>
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      OK, now I understand the problem better: it is not just that the
      charger will only generate one charging cycle, but that the Leaf
      will use more than one cycle to charge, as it starts with a sort
      of a test (probing) cycle.

      I think I have seen the circuit that generates the pilot for the
      AVCON that is used in the EAAEV's AVCON adapter box which could
      be plugged into a regular 240V outlet if I am not mistaken.

      So I agree - just generate a fake pilot and see what happens.

      Success,

      Cor van de Water
      Director HW & Systems Architecture Group
      Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
      Email: CWater@... Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
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      -----Original Message-----
      From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Steven Spies
      Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:59 AM
      To: ev@...
      Subject: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE

      Thanks for the suggestion but unfortunately that will not work in my case.

      I had already thought about doing what you suggest and simulated it by momentarily, like for a split second, disconnecting the pilot within the EVSE while plugged into the Leaf. ?The result is that the Leaf still goes through this "testing" cycle where it requests a momentary charge. ?The Leaf does this cycle every time it is plugged in or in this case when the pilot returns. ?Creating the circuit that you mention would just end up having the EVSE and the Leaf in an infinite loop.

      In the end I guess what I am looking for is a replacement pilot generator that I can use in this EVSE or a way to hack the EVSE in such a way that removes the disabling of the pilot after a cycle. ?I am fairly good with tools and electronics and I am willing to disassemble this EVSE for further exploration since with its current limitation it is not much good for using with the Leaf. ?I can get by with just L1 charging with the Leaf for now but if I don't find a solution for this EVSE soon I will probably purchase a different EVSE and offer this one for sale.

      On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ?<leaf.3831168475@...> wrote:
      > Original email sent from: CWater@...
      >
      > So, what you want is a small circuit that listens to the pilot, when
      > the pilot completely disappears it will power up a relay where the
      > relay has a normally closed contact in the feed to the charger, so the
      > charger auto-resets itself as soon as the pilot signal disappears.
      >
      > This what you want?
      > How experienced are you with designing and building some electronics?
      > This would probably not be more than 2 transistors, a capacitor, three
      > resistors, a diode and a relay.
      >
      > Regards,
      >
      > Cor van de Water
      > Director HW & Systems Architecture Group Proxim Wireless Corporation
      > http://www.proxim.com
      > Email: CWater@... ? ?Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
      > Skype: cor_van_de_water ? ? IM: cor_van_de_water@...
      > Tel: +1 408 383 7626 ? ? ? ?VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
      > Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 XoIP: +31877841130
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On
      > Behalf Of leaf@...
      > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:24 AM
      > To: ev@...
      > Subject: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE
      >
      > I have a EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE that I have retrofitted by replacing the
      > Avcon with a Yazaki. ?What I have discovered however is that this
      > particular unit was programmed to only allow one charge cycle per
      > charge request. ?That is to say once a charge request is completed the
      > unit will no longer provide a pilot signal until it is unplugged and
      > plugged back in again. This behavior prevents the EVSE from working
      > properly with my new Leaf.
      >
      > According to Jason at ClipperCreek this programming was done to get
      > around a bug that was in the original Honda EV Plus. ?The bug was that
      > after the Honda EV Plus finished a charge cycle it would keep
      > listening to the pilot if it was plugged in and would eventually kill
      > the 12 volt battery as a result. ?So having the pilot shut down after
      > one cycle prevented this.
      >
      > I was told by the folks at ClipperCreek that there is currently no
      > practical method to remove this single cycle programming from this
      > unit and I should just consider buying a new unit or continue to work
      > with this unit as is. ?I was also told that they no longer have the
      > documents or programming equipment for this unit.
      >
      > What information about the unit I could find on the web
      > http://www.bowzerbird.com/eviweb/products2.html#mcs100
      >
      > So I am looking for help in removing this single cycle feature. ?Any
      > help or suggestions will be appreciated. ?Thanks!
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      Message: 10
      Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 04:14:46 +0530
      From: "Cor van de Water" <CWater@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE
      To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
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      Ah, yes: the pilot is 1kHz 12V with 1kOhm series resistance.
      I guess that a NE555 timer with the correct components
      around it will be sufficient to trick the Leaf into charging.
      www.aracnet.com/%7Ermerwin/Avcon/AvconBoxWiring.pdf
      See page 3

      Success,

      Cor van de Water
      Director HW & Systems Architecture Group
      Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
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      -----Original Message-----
      From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Cor van de Water
      Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 4:07 AM
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE

      OK, now I understand the problem better: it is not just that the charger will only generate one charging cycle, but that the Leaf will use more than one cycle to charge, as it starts with a sort of a test (probing) cycle.

      I think I have seen the circuit that generates the pilot for the AVCON that is used in the EAAEV's AVCON adapter box which could be plugged into a regular 240V outlet if I am not mistaken.

      So I agree - just generate a fake pilot and see what happens.

      Success,

      Cor van de Water
      Director HW & Systems Architecture Group Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
      Email: CWater@... Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
      Skype: cor_van_de_water IM: cor_van_de_water@...
      Tel: +1 408 383 7626 VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
      Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 XoIP: +31877841130

      -----Original Message-----
      From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Steven Spies
      Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:59 AM
      To: ev@...
      Subject: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE

      Thanks for the suggestion but unfortunately that will not work in my case.

      I had already thought about doing what you suggest and simulated it by momentarily, like for a split second, disconnecting the pilot within the EVSE while plugged into the Leaf. ?The result is that the Leaf still goes through this "testing" cycle where it requests a momentary charge. ?The Leaf does this cycle every time it is plugged in or in this case when the pilot returns. ?Creating the circuit that you mention would just end up having the EVSE and the Leaf in an infinite loop.

      In the end I guess what I am looking for is a replacement pilot generator that I can use in this EVSE or a way to hack the EVSE in such a way that removes the disabling of the pilot after a cycle. ?I am fairly good with tools and electronics and I am willing to disassemble this EVSE for further exploration since with its current limitation it is not much good for using with the Leaf. ?I can get by with just L1 charging with the Leaf for now but if I don't find a solution for this EVSE soon I will probably purchase a different EVSE and offer this one for sale.

      On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 1:17 PM, ?<leaf.3831168475@...> wrote:
      > Original email sent from: CWater@...
      >
      > So, what you want is a small circuit that listens to the pilot, when
      > the pilot completely disappears it will power up a relay where the
      > relay has a normally closed contact in the feed to the charger, so the
      > charger auto-resets itself as soon as the pilot signal disappears.
      >
      > This what you want?
      > How experienced are you with designing and building some electronics?
      > This would probably not be more than 2 transistors, a capacitor, three
      > resistors, a diode and a relay.
      >
      > Regards,
      >
      > Cor van de Water
      > Director HW & Systems Architecture Group Proxim Wireless Corporation
      > http://www.proxim.com
      > Email: CWater@... ? ?Private: http://www.cvandewater.com
      > Skype: cor_van_de_water ? ? IM: cor_van_de_water@...
      > Tel: +1 408 383 7626 ? ? ? ?VoIP: +31 20 3987567 FWD# 25925
      > Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203 XoIP: +31877841130
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On
      > Behalf Of leaf@...
      > Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2011 2:24 AM
      > To: ev@...
      > Subject: [EVDL] Need help retrofitting EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE
      >
      > I have a EVI MCS 100-3 EVSE that I have retrofitted by replacing the
      > Avcon with a Yazaki. ?What I have discovered however is that this
      > particular unit was programmed to only allow one charge cycle per
      > charge request. ?That is to say once a charge request is completed the
      > unit will no longer provide a pilot signal until it is unplugged and
      > plugged back in again. This behavior prevents the EVSE from working
      > properly with my new Leaf.
      >
      > According to Jason at ClipperCreek this programming was done to get
      > around a bug that was in the original Honda EV Plus. ?The bug was that
      > after the Honda EV Plus finished a charge cycle it would keep
      > listening to the pilot if it was plugged in and would eventually kill
      > the 12 volt battery as a result. ?So having the pilot shut down after
      > one cycle prevented this.
      >
      > I was told by the folks at ClipperCreek that there is currently no
      > practical method to remove this single cycle programming from this
      > unit and I should just consider buying a new unit or continue to work
      > with this unit as is. ?I was also told that they no longer have the
      > documents or programming equipment for this unit.
      >
      > What information about the unit I could find on the web
      > http://www.bowzerbird.com/eviweb/products2.html#mcs100
      >
      > So I am looking for help in removing this single cycle feature. ?Any
      > help or suggestions will be appreciated. ?Thanks!
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      Message: 11
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:57:40 -0600
      From: Lee Hart <leeahart@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Efficiency of rotary inverters
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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      On 1/31/2011 3:27 PM, John McManus wrote:
      > Thanks Lee:
      > I finally got an extra fan, 2 motors, 2 switches etc . together and tried
      > your idea. The unloaded motor started at about 6 amps and ran at 4+. With
      > this motor running the loaded fan motor drew 19 amps to start then down to
      > 6. This is probably too much for my 2 k inverter .
      > I haven't tried DC as I haven't got the parts. I'm looking for a capacitor
      > start motor, I only need thye starting amperage to fall by about 4-5.

      OK, here is one more thing to try. An unloaded induction motor is almost
      a purely inductive load. That 4 amps it drew is at a power factor of
      about 0.1.

      Connect an AC rated motor "run" capacitor across the motor to cancel out
      its inductive load, and bring the total power factor back to
      approximately 1. The AC current at this point will be very low; less
      than 1 amp.

      The best way to find this capacitor value is by trial and error. or, we
      can approximate it like this:

      1. Motor draws 4 amps at 120vac. Then its apparent resistance is
      R = 120v / 4a = 30 ohms.

      2. But this is almost all inductive. So Z(L) = 30 ohms = 2 pi f L.
      pi=3.14, f=60hz, so L = 30 / (2 x 3.14 x 60) = 0.08 henries.

      3. A capacitor to cancel out this inductive reactance is
      Z(C) = 1 / (2 pi f C)
      30 ohms = 1 / (2 x 3.14 x 60 x C)
      C = 1 / (2 x 3.14 x 60 x 30ohms) = 8.8x10-5 farads = 88 microfarads

      The value is not critical. Anything from 50 to 100 microfarads should be
      close enough. Be sure it is a motor *RUN* capacitor, not a motor start
      capacitor, and that it has an AC voltage rating (not a DC rating) of at
      least double your actual AC line voltage.

      Here is an example from www.surpluscenter.com
      https://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?item=22-1296&catname=
      60mfd (60 microfarads), 480vac, item 22-1296, $6.49

      Oddly enough, you will find that:
      a) the motor draws 4 amps by itself, unloaded,
      b) the capacitor draws 3 amps by itself,
      c) the motor and capacitor in parallel will draw about 1 amp!

      That's because their reactances are opposites; they subtract, not add. :-)

      --
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      Message: 12
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:21:50 -0500
      From: Martin K <martin.klingensmith@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] electric snowblower
      To: ev@...
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      Just saw this (electric snowblower) on the evalbum. It looks awesome!
      I'm not so sure that one battery would last very long, but a
      self-propelled snow blower could handle several batteries I think.
      http://evalbum.com/3628

      I'm in dire need of a donor chassis since I have a motor, controller,
      contactor, but no snowblower and 18 inches forecast for this week :(

      --
      Martin K.



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      Message: 13
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:59:17 -0800 (PST)
      From: Rod Hower <rodhower@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] electric snowblower
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <207694.74183.qm@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

      He lives in Raleigh, NC - hence the wimpy battery! I lived in nearby
      Mebane, NC and in 4 years I can only remember one 8" snow fall
      (and I remember that because I was driving a Chrysler TEVan at
      the time with an extremely low battery pack, I plowed the roads on
      the way to work with my EV!). I think you need a large lithium pack
      for your location Martin :-)



      ----- Original Message ----
      From: Martin K <martin.klingensmith@...>
      To: ev@...
      Sent: Mon, January 31, 2011 7:21:50 PM
      Subject: [EVDL] electric snowblower

      Just saw this (electric snowblower) on the evalbum. It looks awesome!
      I'm not so sure that one battery would last very long, but a
      self-propelled snow blower could handle several batteries I think.
      http://evalbum.com/3628

      I'm in dire need of a donor chassis since I have a motor, controller,
      contactor, but no snowblower and 18 inches forecast for this week :(

      --
      Martin K.

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      Message: 14
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 20:26:26 -0500
      From: Martin K <martin.klingensmith@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] electric snowblower
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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      On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Rod Hower <rodhower@...> wrote:
      > He lives in Raleigh, NC - hence the wimpy battery! ?I lived in nearby
      > Mebane, NC and in 4 years I can only remember one 8" snow fall
      > (and I remember that because I was driving a Chrysler TEVan at
      > the time with an extremely low battery pack, I plowed the roads on
      > the way to work with my EV!). ?I think you need a large lithium pack
      > for your location Martin :-)
      >


      At least I don't live in Adams, NY anymore. (north of Syracuse)
      http://lwf.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/online/ccd/snowfall.html

      I could get a blown-engine donor on craigslist but I know better than
      to try and get a DIY project done when I need it now!

      --
      Martin K.



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      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 17:59:34 -0800 (PST)
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      http://orangecounty.craigslist.org/lab/2169493520.html
      Mechanical Assembler devondevon.com Costa Mesa CA 2011-01-19

      http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/sci/2157689660.html
      Climate change research Intern Cleantech Los Gatos CA 2011-01-12

      http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/mar/2167754672.html
      Public Relations Internship part-time SF CA 2011-01-18

      http://washingtondc.craigslist.org/mld/bus/2182118153.html
      Green Business Manager e-Bike LEV Washington DC 2011-01-26

      http://losangeles.craigslist.org/lac/sls/2169351628.html
      Sales-Rep,e-Motorcycle Fleet Hollywood Electrics S. CA 2011-01-19

      http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/sls/2137771742.html
      i-Miev EV Sales herzogmeier.com Beaverton OR 2010-12-31

      http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/sls/2116680592.html
      Sales Representative EVSE Volta Honolulu HI 2010-12-16


      http://www.wndu.com/technology/headlines/XX_113411034.html
      ... electric car manufacturer "TH!NK" officially announced plans to
      add more than 70 new jobs to its [Elkhart, Ind.] plant this year.
      Kevin Lewis Jan 12 2011 ...
      [? 2002-2011 - Designed by Gray Interactive Media]

      http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-01-10/ford-to-hire-7-000-to-help-make-electric-hybrid-cars-update3-.html
      Ford to Hire 7,000 to Help Make Electric, Hybrid Cars (Update3)
      By Keith Naughton Jan 10 2011 (Bloomberg) -- Ford Motor Co. ... plans to
      hire more than 7,000 workers in the next two years ... 4,000 factory workers
      and 750 engineers this year and add 2,500 hourly workers next year ...
      [?2011 Bloomberg L.P. All Rights Reserved.]


      EVjobs: Jan 03, 2011
      http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVjobs-Dow-GE-Siemens-HP-Edison-A123-Tesla-Coda-AeroVironment-Curtis-ZanderGreen-herzogmeier-td3173110.html


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      Message: 16
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:18:49 -0800 (PST)
      From: brucedp3 <brucedp@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Prius_plug-in e-range:13mi e-ts:60mph charge:3Hr
      50mpge
      To: ev@...
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      Prius-pih for Boston, Cambridge, SF, & Portland Zipcar members

      http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/zipcar-adds-toyota-prius-plug-in-hybrids-to-fleet/
      Zipcar Adds Toyota Prius Plug-In Hybrids to Fleet
      By JONATHAN SCHULTZ Jan 27 2011 ... eight [Toyota Prius plug-in]
      hybrids became available to members of Zipcar, the car-sharing service
      that began in the Boston area 11 years ago. The [Prius Plug-In hybrid
      (pih)] will not be made available to individual customers until 2012.

      In a statement, Zipcar described the initiative as a pilot program.
      While Toyota gathers real-world data about how its product performs
      ahead of its 2012 showroom date ...

      Three cars are available to members in Boston and Cambridge, Mass.,
      with three more in San Francisco and two in Portland, Ore. The Toyota
      Prius [pih] will not be available to individual customers until 2012.
      Zipcar The Toyota Prius [pih] will not be available to individual
      customers until 2012.

      Zipcar had previously worked with San Francisco to test a [Prius pih]
      in its Bay Area fleet in 2009. That car, using a plug-in conversion
      module manufactured by A123 Systems of Watertown, Mass., achieved 30
      to 40 miles of purely electric travel before the car?s hybrid
      gasoline-electric power train kicked in. Toyota?s expectations for its
      electric-drive system are more modest, with [an e-range] of 13 miles.

      Despite the Prius? limited range as a purely electric vehicle, Scott
      Griffith, Zipcar?s chairman and chief executive, says he believes that
      many of his customers will be making gasoline-free Ikea runs.
      ?Approximately one-third of our reservations are made for trips
      equaling less than 13 miles,? he wrote in an e-mail.

      Like all hybrids in Zipcar?s fleet, a [Prius pih] can only be reserved
      by the hour ? a policy that prevents members from locking in the high-
      demand vehicles for extended periods ? at a rate of $7 per hour.

      Dating from its 2009 partnership, Zipcar?s parking spots at San
      Francisco?s City Hall are equipped with 220-volt quick-chargers, which
      fully charge the [Prius-pih?s] lithium-ion batteries in about 90
      minutes. Mr. Griffith wrote that plans were in the works to migrate to
      that so-called Level 2 standard in Portland as well. Boston-area
      [Prius-pih's] will plug into conventional 110-volt outlets for three-
      hour charge times, but Zipcar is engaged in discussions with public
      officials and developers to adopt Level 2 charging.

      Zipcar will educate members about the vehicles? novel innards at the
      online reservation stage, Mr. Griffith wrote, adding that the company
      partially chose these vehicles because they represented ?an evolution
      of a vehicle our members are already familiar with (the Prius).? In-
      vehicle instructions will also be available.
      [?2011 The New York Times Company]







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      Message: 17
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:42:06 -0800 (PST)
      From: brucedp <brucedp@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] Smith EVs
      To: ev@...
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      Smith EVs

      Smith electric minibuses for Hong Kong

      http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/business/8816181.Electric_vehicle_firm_on_verge_of_Hong_Kong_deal/
      Electric vehicle firm on verge of Hong Kong deal
      By Owen McAteer 27 Jan 2011 ...

      The Tanfield Group?s Smith Electric Vehicles division [
      http://www.smithelectricvehicles.com/ ] is understood to be in
      advanced talks with the territory?s government to provide electric
      minibuses.

      It comes as Hong Kong is actively encouraging the adoption of electric
      vehicles ... The Hong Kong government is understood to have already
      bought about 15 Smith vehicles over the past 18 months ...

      The Hong Kong government said its transport department was processing
      documents for the supply of electric commercial vehicles from British
      manufacturer Smith ...

      Dr Poon told legislators in the territory that the government would
      continue to promote electric vehicles and encourage every sector of
      the community to adopt this green mode of transportation.

      Representatives of Smith are understood to be in the territory at
      present with the aim of paving the way for a deal.

      Last week, one of Smith?s vehicles attracted media attention over
      there after being put on display outside a lecture on sustainable
      transport which was being delivered by British scientist Professor
      Julia King and co-organised by the Hong Kong Polytechnic University
      and the British Council.

      Ms Smith presently supplies bluechip companies including Coca-Cola
      and supermarket chain Sainsbury?s ... [? Copyright 2001-2011]







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      Message: 18
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 22:58:06 -0500
      From: Seth Allen <seth.allen3@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] looking for saft stm 5-100 modules
      To: ev@...
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      H, I am working on my electric bike and want to get a little more voltage
      for my pack. I want to find a few more 100 Ah saft monoblocs. 100-MR units-
      the air cooled ones.

      Anyone have a few they want to unload?

      Seth
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      Message: 19
      Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 21:09:32 -0700
      From: Bill Dube <billdube@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] looking for saft stm 5-100 modules
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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      I have about 24 water-cooled units in varying health status. (A few
      are non-functional.) Most are ~75 amp-hr.

      Bill Dube'


      At 08:58 PM 1/31/2011, you wrote:
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      >for my pack. I want to find a few more 100 Ah saft monoblocs. 100-MR units-
      >the air cooled ones.
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      >Anyone have a few they want to unload?
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      Message: 20
      Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 04:24:02 -0800 (PST)
      From: brucedp2 <brucedp@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Nissan Leaf EV
      To: ev@...
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      Timid Leaf reviewer overcomes his trepidation: It's like driving a toaster

      http://scrippsnews.com/content/autos-all-powerful-electric-nissan-leaf?page=1
      All powerful electric Nissan Leaf
      By RICHARD WILLIAMSON 01/27/2011 ... the Nissan Leaf can direct you
      to the nearest charging station and even provide directions via the
      navigation system. Using a quick-charger available at some stations,
      recharging the battery to 80 percent capacity takes only 30 minutes.

      Currently ... the Nissan Leaf is the only all-electric car from a
      major manufacturer ...

      The base price of $32,780 falls to $25,280 with a $7,500 federal tax
      credit. If you live in California, you qualify for a $5,000 rebate,
      which brings the price down to $20,280. Other states have rebates as
      well. Hawaii offers $4,500. Colorado provides $6,000. Washington State
      has a $2,000 sales tax exemption, and Oregon provides a $1,500 tax
      credit ... the batteries carry a warranty for eight years or
      100,000 miles ...

      ... find a charging station en route ... factors into every decision
      you make with the Leaf. I considered risking an 80-mile roundtrip from
      Dallas to Fort Worth but decided against it because I had three
      passengers [as] weight reduces your [range]. The Leaf is advertised as
      having a range of about 100 miles, but after an overnight charge, the
      gauge shows only 88 miles. Based on how you drive, the [range] can
      vary quite a bit.

      The car starts up with a friendly chime and no engine noise.
      Illogically, the car goes into reverse when you push a toggle forward
      and goes forward when the toggle is pushed backward. Push the toggle
      backward a second time and the car goes into "Eco" mode, providing
      better mileage. The 80-kilowatt [motor] has noticeably less zip in
      Eco mode.

      Charging the Leaf is remarkably easy. A gun-like charging device plugs
      into a socket at the front of the car covered by a flip-up cover. An
      extension cord allows you to find the most useful outlet ...

      You literally never have to drive this car to a gas station, unless
      you need to air up the tires or get a car wash. On average, a charge
      that delivers 88 miles should cost about $2.70. This means that you
      would spend only $561 per year charging a car that covers the
      equivalent of 109 miles per gallon in the city and 92 on the highway
      for a combined 99 mpg. It's like driving a toaster.

      Even though the total output of the 80 kilowatt motor is comparable to
      that of a 110-horsepower, 4-cylinder gasoline engine, the Leaf's
      acceleration is much brisker.

      The all-electric power forces other considerations, such as how to
      warm the car on a cold winter morning. An automatic timer allows you
      to get the heater operating on a separate power circuit before you
      enter the car. On a morning when the windows were frosted over, the
      heater quickly warmed and de-iced my Leaf.

      You can also set a timer for when you want the car to charge, and you
      can change the settings via your smart phone if you are so inclined.

      Although I accepted the Leaf with a bit of trepidation, after
      recharging the lithium ion batteries, I felt completely comfortable
      with the new technology.

      If everyone in the country could drive this car for just one week, we
      might all become more conscious of how much energy we use and more
      aware that someday we may not have a choice.
      [? 2010 The E.W. Scripps Co.]





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      Message: 21
      Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 05:00:48 -0800 (PST)
      From: Steve Powers <powers_ev@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] Throttle input on early Kelly Controller
      To: ev <ev@...>
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      I am still considering the 96 V / 600 A (peak) Kelly Controller on e-bay.? It's now up to $200, which is still a lot less than new and a lot less than the Curtis 1231 that sold for $740 last week (I also bit on that),? I think it will settle around $250-$300.? One sold a few weeks back for $300.
      ?
      Anyway, I am trying to figure out what the throttle input is on it.? It is the older model, but never used.? On Cloud's website, it says the throttle can be 0-5k, 5k-0 or 0-5V.? But, I think that is wrong.? My car has a 5k-0 (old GE SCR controller) and the pot is only 2 wire.? I cannot add the 3rd wire as that it is sealed.? Anyway, I have been trying to determine if that controller will work on 5k-0.? I can't get the manual as that the link on their website is broken,? They are on chinese new year, so they are unable to get it to me before Friday when the auction ends.? Does anyone have the manual in PDF?
      ?
      My intent was to replace my old (still working though) EV-1C SCR controller with this in my Jet Industries Electrica.? The goal was to get a "better" more modern controller so that it would be easier to sell the car.? I don't actually plan to drive the car myself.? For me, the SCR controller is fine, but potential buyers don't like it.? I don't want to change the pot box.? Too much work for the return on my inves
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