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      Today's Topics:

      1. Re: Logisystems controllers? (Bob Stille)
      2. Re: Porsche Tachometer (David Oberlander)
      3. Re: what factor hp conversion? (fred)
      4. Re: what factor hp conversion? (Zeke Yewdall)
      5. Re: Porsche Tachometer (Dave Hale)
      6. Re: Porsche Tachometer (David Oberlander)
      7. Re: Logisystems controllers? (damon henry)
      8. Re: EV's on MSNBC (AMPhibian)
      9. J1772 ... looks like a death star (m gol)
      10. Re: Hydraulic Crimper (David Chapman)
      11. Re: Deka Dominator Gel Battery Maintenance (EVDL Administrator)
      12. Re: Hydraulic Crimper (Thos True)
      13. Re: Hydraulic Crimper (Kent.Barnes)
      14. Re: Hydraulic Crimper (dave cover)
      15. Re: Z1K & PFC30 on Ebay (Jeff Shanab)
      16. emergency disconnect (Charlie P)
      17. Re: what factor hp conversion? (Jeff Shanab)
      18. Re: Porsche Tachometer (gary)
      19. Re: what factor hp conversion? (Roger Heuckeroth)
      20. Re: emergency disconnect (Roland Wiench)
      21. Re: Hydraulic Crimper (m gol)
      22. Electric Porsche on Craigslist (Barry Oppenheim)
      23. A gathering of the QUICKEST !!! (Steven Lough)
      24. Looking for the Ed Bagley Jr's "Quote" (Steven Lough)


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      Message: 1
      Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:04:39 -0700 (PDT)
      From: Bob Stille <bobstille@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Logisystems controllers?
      To: ev@...
      Message-ID: <24521820.post@...>
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      I just had a similar experience with a Curtis 1221B on a 3300 pound Datson PU
      with 96 V system. Not being able to pass the steepest part of my driveway I
      ran a bypass wire from battery positive thru a giant resistor to the M-
      connection using a large contactor to cut it in. The idea was to get a
      boost at the steep section of the driveway. It worked. Then I parked the
      truck to talk about it and about a minute later it burped and jumped. I
      shut off the contactor. Later turned it on and the vehicle would jump every
      ten seconds. Then the Curtis virtually exploded blowing mosfet and
      capicator residue and flames out the back. So I'm seeking advice on a
      replacement controller. The Logisystem sounded good untill I saw this
      discussion. Do any controller mfgrs. support their products? Where is the
      best info. available? Any recommendations appreciated.


      Oh Sure do! Ray K's beautiful Ford Repro 39 kit pickup has, well HAD, a
      Logi. He brought the car over on a trailer and was giving show an' tell
      rides up and down my loong driveway. The second trip while turning around it
      let the smoke, and FLAMES out!! We opemed the hood and tried to smuther out
      the flames! . hot, just driving up an down the driveway!No wonder it had a
      meltdown! I
      mean we wern't squeeling out or signiture Brake stands, SURE was tempted; a
      11' motor 144 volts worth of Badd-eries?I remember Steve Clunn's Zilla
      equipped pickup, same drice setup 'cept HE had a Zilla? Sigh.Boy! It was
      FUN!

      OK ya asked<g>?! Hope I didn't scare ya off? I understand Logi has worked
      on redesigning the whole shooting match?

      YMMV?

      Bob
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Bob Sisson" <Garage@...>
      To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
      Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:51 PM
      Subject: [EVDL] Logisystems controllers?


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      Message: 2
      Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:24:09 -0500
      From: "David Oberlander" <david@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Porsche Tachometer
      To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
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      Dave,

      I have a 72 914 EV, and I am considering connecting the factory tach to a
      12v magnetic proximity sensing device that uses "a hall effect pickup
      sensor" in conjunction with a magnetic collar mounted to motor shaft. Is
      this what you did? If so, it appears that I will also need a circuit board
      modification to tach?

      David evalbum #2529

      -----Original Message-----
      From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On Behalf
      Of Dave Hale
      Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 1:25 PM
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Porsche Tachometer

      Check with North Hollywood Speedometer (http://www.nhspeedometer.com/). When
      I did my 914EV they said there were two types of tachs, one which took a
      logic square wave and another which took a HV pulse. I needed the former but
      had the latter; they installed a new circuit board in my original tach. If
      you call them (818-761-5136) talk to Patrick; tell him where you heard of
      him.
      --Dave
      http://www.evalbum.com/2500

      On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 10:38 AM, <rdudleypfsllc@...> wrote:

      > I am trying to use the existing tachometer in my 1994 Porsche 911 to read
      > the electric motor speed, but

      <snip>

      > Does anyone know what type of signal a mid-90s Porsche tach is expecting
      to
      > receive?
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      Message: 3
      Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:37:25 -0700 (PDT)
      From: fred <fred_dot_u@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] what factor hp conversion?
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      An interesting response. I didn't need the direct conversion figures, since I had a pretty close approximation to them already, but the answers I've selected is the closest to what I understood to be valid. It's the torque that matters and is especially useful in my need for information.

      The comparison on which I'm working involves a diesel ICE of about 15 hp, and diesels are pretty torquey. I'm thinking that a 5kw electric would probably be a good match. What say you all?




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      Origina Message: 8
      Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:36:03 -0400
      From: Roger Heuckeroth <rheuckeroth@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] what factor hp conversion?

      On Jul 16, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Robert Johnston wrote:

      > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 16:16, fred<fred_dot_u@...> wrote:
      >> I'm aware that one cannot make a valid comparison between electric
      >> motor horsepower and infernal combustion engine horsepower, but is
      >> there a rule of thumb (or any other digit) that one can use to
      >> compare the two?
      >>
      >> Let's say that you have a 5kw electric motor. Google says 1kw is
      >> anywhere from one and a quarter hp to one and a third. Taking the
      >> higher figure, that would mean that a 5kw motor is a bit more than
      >> 6 hp, say six and a half.
      >>
      >> That's all well and good, but six and a half horses in ICE form
      >> isn't anywhere as powerful as a 5kw electric motor.
      >>
      >> What would be a more practical way to look at this? Let's say that
      >> one wants to have an electric motor to perform on a par with a 15hp
      >> diesel? Would a 5kw electric do as well?
      >
      > Bear in mind that HP values for ICEs are peak value readings, whereas
      > HP values for electric motors are constant load values.
      >
      > So while your brand new Shelby Mustang might have a 475HP engine,
      > you'll only actually get that 475HP at ideal revs, in ideal
      > conditions. For regular driving, and to hold speed, that ICE will be
      > producing something like 20-30HP, tops.
      > --

      I think it is more relevant to talk in terms of torque when comparing
      ICE and an electric motor. Most people drive their ICEs at low RPM
      (under 3500 rpm). The motor never even gets close to the peak HP of
      the ICE. Good low end torque is what gives you decent acceleration in
      an electric car. If you compare the torque curve of a series DC motor
      with that of an ICE you will find that the ICE has a steep curve and
      the motor will have a relatively flat curve. All that low RPM torque
      is what makes an electric accelerate well. Peak HP is going to limit
      your top speed, but do little for you on acceleration.




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      Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 14:08:53 -0600
      From: Zeke Yewdall <zyewdall@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] what factor hp conversion?
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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      Depends on what the rated torque and rpm of the diesel and the electric
      motor are....

      On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 1:37 PM, fred <fred_dot_u@...> wrote:

      > An interesting response. I didn't need the direct conversion figures, since
      > I had a pretty close approximation to them already, but the answers I've
      > selected is the closest to what I understood to be valid. It's the torque
      > that matters and is especially useful in my need for information.
      >
      > The comparison on which I'm working involves a diesel ICE of about 15 hp,
      > and diesels are pretty torquey. I'm thinking that a 5kw electric would
      > probably be a good match. What say you all?
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ________________________________
      > ------------------------------
      >
      > Origina Message: 8
      > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:36:03 -0400
      > From: Roger Heuckeroth <rheuckeroth@...>
      > Subject: Re: [EVDL] what factor hp conversion?
      >
      > On Jul 16, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Robert Johnston wrote:
      >
      > > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 16:16, fred<fred_dot_u@...> wrote:
      > >> I'm aware that one cannot make a valid comparison between electric
      > >> motor horsepower and infernal combustion engine horsepower, but is
      > >> there a rule of thumb (or any other digit) that one can use to
      > >> compare the two?
      > >>
      > >> Let's say that you have a 5kw electric motor. Google says 1kw is
      > >> anywhere from one and a quarter hp to one and a third. Taking the
      > >> higher figure, that would mean that a 5kw motor is a bit more than
      > >> 6 hp, say six and a half.
      > >>
      > >> That's all well and good, but six and a half horses in ICE form
      > >> isn't anywhere as powerful as a 5kw electric motor.
      > >>
      > >> What would be a more practical way to look at this? Let's say that
      > >> one wants to have an electric motor to perform on a par with a 15hp
      > >> diesel? Would a 5kw electric do as well?
      > >
      > > Bear in mind that HP values for ICEs are peak value readings, whereas
      > > HP values for electric motors are constant load values.
      > >
      > > So while your brand new Shelby Mustang might have a 475HP engine,
      > > you'll only actually get that 475HP at ideal revs, in ideal
      > > conditions. For regular driving, and to hold speed, that ICE will be
      > > producing something like 20-30HP, tops.
      > > --
      >
      > I think it is more relevant to talk in terms of torque when comparing
      > ICE and an electric motor. Most people drive their ICEs at low RPM
      > (under 3500 rpm). The motor never even gets close to the peak HP of
      > the ICE. Good low end torque is what gives you decent acceleration in
      > an electric car. If you compare the torque curve of a series DC motor
      > with that of an ICE you will find that the ICE has a steep curve and
      > the motor will have a relatively flat curve. All that low RPM torque
      > is what makes an electric accelerate well. Peak HP is going to limit
      > your top speed, but do little for you on acceleration.
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      Message: 5
      Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 13:37:49 -0700
      From: Dave Hale <dave@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Porsche Tachometer
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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      hi David,

      I'm sorry, I don't exactly
      know. It depends on the output of your Hall Effect sensor. I am using the
      Azure Dynamics DMOC which has a special digital output just for this
      purpose.

      best,
      Dave
      http://www.evalbum.com/2500

      On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM, David Oberlander <david@...
      > wrote:

      > I have a 72 914 EV, and I am considering connecting the factory tach to a
      > 12v magnetic proximity sensing device that uses "a hall effect pickup
      > sensor" in conjunction with a magnetic collar mounted to motor shaft. Is
      > this what you did? If so, it appears that I will also need a circuit board
      > modification to tach?
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      Message: 6
      Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:18:05 -0500
      From: "David Oberlander" <david@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Porsche Tachometer
      To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <200907172116.n6HLGBB5027157@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

      Dave,

      That digital output is a nice feature! I appreciate the feedback. Also, if
      you are still looking for grills, try Automobile Atlanta. I think the
      Porsche factory still makes these as well. I ordered a new grill through a
      local Porsche Dealer (however, it did take a few weeks to receive, as it was
      shipped from Germany).

      Thanks,

      -David

      -----Original Message-----
      From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On Behalf
      Of Dave Hale
      Sent: Friday, July 17, 2009 3:38 PM
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Porsche Tachometer

      hi David,

      I'm sorry, I don't exactly
      know. It depends on the output of your Hall Effect sensor. I am using the
      Azure Dynamics DMOC which has a special digital output just for this
      purpose.

      best,
      Dave
      http://www.evalbum.com/2500

      On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 12:24 PM, David Oberlander <david@...
      > wrote:

      > I have a 72 914 EV, and I am considering connecting the factory tach to a
      > 12v magnetic proximity sensing device that uses "a hall effect pickup
      > sensor" in conjunction with a magnetic collar mounted to motor shaft. Is
      > this what you did? If so, it appears that I will also need a circuit
      board
      > modification to tach?
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      Message: 7
      Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:17:51 +0000
      From: damon henry <damonhenry@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Logisystems controllers?
      To: EV List <ev@...>
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      Logisystems had a few growing pains last year, but seem to have worked out the bugs. They took in a bunch of warranty repairs and did a redesign. It would be nice to get it right the first time, but as far as supporting their products I think they did a good job. I sent in a blown controller during this time and they held it for a couple of months while working on the redesign then sent it back to me all fixed up. It took 5 months for mine to blow the first time, so I can't say for sure that it is truly fixed because it could blow again tomorrow for all I know, but so far I'm happy.

      damon

      > Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 12:04:39 -0700
      > From: bobstille@...
      > To: ev@...
      > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Logisystems controllers?
      >
      >
      > I just had a similar experience with a Curtis 1221B on a 3300 pound Datson PU
      > with 96 V system. Not being able to pass the steepest part of my driveway I
      > ran a bypass wire from battery positive thru a giant resistor to the M-
      > connection using a large contactor to cut it in. The idea was to get a
      > boost at the steep section of the driveway. It worked. Then I parked the
      > truck to talk about it and about a minute later it burped and jumped. I
      > shut off the contactor. Later turned it on and the vehicle would jump every
      > ten seconds. Then the Curtis virtually exploded blowing mosfet and
      > capicator residue and flames out the back. So I'm seeking advice on a
      > replacement controller. The Logisystem sounded good untill I saw this
      > discussion. Do any controller mfgrs. support their products? Where is the
      > best info. available? Any recommendations appreciated.
      >
      >
      > Oh Sure do! Ray K's beautiful Ford Repro 39 kit pickup has, well HAD, a
      > Logi. He brought the car over on a trailer and was giving show an' tell
      > rides up and down my loong driveway. The second trip while turning around it
      > let the smoke, and FLAMES out!! We opemed the hood and tried to smuther out
      > the flames! . hot, just driving up an down the driveway!No wonder it had a
      > meltdown! I
      > mean we wern't squeeling out or signiture Brake stands, SURE was tempted; a
      > 11' motor 144 volts worth of Badd-eries?I remember Steve Clunn's Zilla
      > equipped pickup, same drice setup 'cept HE had a Zilla? Sigh.Boy! It was
      > FUN!
      >
      > OK ya asked<g>?! Hope I didn't scare ya off? I understand Logi has worked
      > on redesigning the whole shooting match?
      >
      > YMMV?
      >
      > Bob
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Bob Sisson" <Garage@...>
      > To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
      > Sent: Saturday, May 09, 2009 7:51 PM
      > Subject: [EVDL] Logisystems controllers?
      >
      >
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      Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:33:35 -0700 (PDT)
      From: AMPhibian <amp_phibian@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] EV's on MSNBC
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      I prefer the term "visonary", but I've been called worse. Some of their
      "facts" in their history are a little off:
      "The early models suffered short range because of their lead acid batteries,
      but updated models with lithium ion batteries could go about 130 miles on a
      charge." EV1 with Lithium? Don't think so.
      "Seeking to at least write off its losses, the company infamously had to
      destroy the EV1s under federal tax law." Really, you mean they couldn't
      sell them at a loss and write that off?
      They end their evolution of the EV with the Volt, and no mention of the
      Tesla?
      John


      electrabishi wrote:
      >
      > I love it. And I like being right too ;-)
      >
      >
      > On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 3:06 PM , Roger Heuckeroth wrote:
      >
      >> Ha! I like this quote:
      >>
      >> "In the next year or so, after only a century or so of trying, the
      >> electric car may break free of the lunatic fringe ...In fact, fanatics
      >> (aka ?early adopters?) have been gutting regular car cars and packing
      >> them with a thousand pounds of golf cart batteries for years."
      >>
      >> How do ya'all like being called "lunatics" and "fanatics"?
      >>
      >>
      >> On Jul 16, 2009, at 6:08 PM, rodhower@... wrote:
      >>
      >>>
      >>> EV's going mainstream?
      >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31781003/ns/business-autos/
      >>>
      >>> evolution of the electric car,
      >>> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/31783457/ns/business-autos/
      >>>
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      Message: 9
      Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 19:17:15 -0800
      From: m gol <gol.m86@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] J1772 ... looks like a death star
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      Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2009 21:39:33 -0700 (PDT)
      From: David Chapman <iasimovian@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
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      Hi Martin,
      Indeed looks like a nice piece. I was not able to find the other larger unit you referred to in the sellers Ebay store, is this something you found in 11 Shrubs physical store or something? I wouldn't mind taking a look at that one, for the small difference in price would likely just buy that one. BTW, did you purchase one? I am curious who / where the manufacturer is, seems like the seller blacked out part of the label on the case and I cannot make out the brand or model # so I could research it. Regards, David C.

      --- On Fri, 7/17/09, martin winlow <m.winlow@...> wrote:

      > From: martin winlow <m.winlow@...>
      > Subject: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
      > To: "EVDL Post Message" <ev@...>
      > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:22 AM
      > Hello all,
      >
      > I thought you might be interested in a cheap but perfectly
      > useable pair of
      > hydraulic crimpers on Ebay - item no 300328868504.?
      > This set has a max
      > cable/lug size of 70mm2 and exerts 8T of force
      > (apparently).? It certainly
      > worked very well on my 2/0 (70mm2) cable and lugs and with
      > a bit of practise
      > the crimps look very acceptable and the connection feels
      > really good.
      > Making a crimp takes about a minute - 2 minutes to cut the
      > cable, strip the
      > insulation and make the crimp. The seller is based in the
      > UK and supplied
      > the crimpers and 30 x 2/0 (70mm2) lugs for ?43.?
      > There is a larger 12T pair
      > which goes up to 120mm2 for an extra ?5.
      >
      > Regards, Martin Winlow.
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      Message: 11
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 01:51:20 -0400
      From: "EVDL Administrator" <evpost@...>
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      On 16 Jul 2009 at 12:20, tehben wrote:

      > FYI the charge i am giving them is basically a trickle charge, I am
      > just using a 110vac outlet and my pack is upwards of 300v.

      Are you saying you're trying to use a 120v "bad boy" charger to charge a 300
      volt battery? That seems like an exercise in futility.

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      Message: 12
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 00:17:59 -0700
      From: Thos True <evparts@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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      I bought one of these crimpers as part of a group purchase. The unit works
      great, but it can be very tricky getting the finished crimp out of the jaws
      on crimps over 1/0. The throw on the ram is only about 1/2" or less, meaning
      that you may be required to remove one of the dies in order to release your
      finished cable. It is still an incredible bargain, just gets a bit limited
      in practicality for the larger jobs. -Thos

      On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:39 PM, David Chapman <iasimovian@...> wrote:

      >
      > Hi Martin,
      > Indeed looks like a nice piece. I was not able to find the other larger
      > unit you referred to in the sellers Ebay store, is this something you found
      > in 11 Shrubs physical store or something? I wouldn't mind taking a look at
      > that one, for the small difference in price would likely just buy that one.
      > BTW, did you purchase one? I am curious who / where the manufacturer is,
      > seems like the seller blacked out part of the label on the case and I cannot
      > make out the brand or model # so I could research it. Regards, David C.
      >
      > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, martin winlow <m.winlow@...> wrote:
      >
      > > From: martin winlow <m.winlow@...>
      > > Subject: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
      > > To: "EVDL Post Message" <ev@...>
      > > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:22 AM
      > > Hello all,
      > >
      > > I thought you might be interested in a cheap but perfectly
      > > useable pair of
      > > hydraulic crimpers on Ebay - item no 300328868504.
      > > This set has a max
      > > cable/lug size of 70mm2 and exerts 8T of force
      > > (apparently). It certainly
      > > worked very well on my 2/0 (70mm2) cable and lugs and with
      > > a bit of practise
      > > the crimps look very acceptable and the connection feels
      > > really good.
      > > Making a crimp takes about a minute - 2 minutes to cut the
      > > cable, strip the
      > > insulation and make the crimp. The seller is based in the
      > > UK and supplied
      > > the crimpers and 30 x 2/0 (70mm2) lugs for ?43.
      > > There is a larger 12T pair
      > > which goes up to 120mm2 for an extra ?5.
      > >
      > > Regards, Martin Winlow.
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      Message: 13
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:02:11 -0400
      From: "Kent.Barnes" <kent.barnes@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
      To: "'Electric Vehicle Discussion List'" <ev@...>
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      Those crimpers are great but the ebay listing is from the United Kingdom and
      he won't ship to the US

      -----Original Message-----
      From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On Behalf
      Of Thos True
      Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:18 AM
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper

      I bought one of these crimpers as part of a group purchase. The unit works
      great, but it can be very tricky getting the finished crimp out of the jaws
      on crimps over 1/0. The throw on the ram is only about 1/2" or less, meaning
      that you may be required to remove one of the dies in order to release your
      finished cable. It is still an incredible bargain, just gets a bit limited
      in practicality for the larger jobs. -Thos

      On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:39 PM, David Chapman <iasimovian@...> wrote:

      >
      > Hi Martin,
      > Indeed looks like a nice piece. I was not able to find the other
      > larger unit you referred to in the sellers Ebay store, is this
      > something you found in 11 Shrubs physical store or something? I
      > wouldn't mind taking a look at that one, for the small difference in price
      would likely just buy that one.
      > BTW, did you purchase one? I am curious who / where the manufacturer
      > is, seems like the seller blacked out part of the label on the case
      > and I cannot make out the brand or model # so I could research it.
      Regards, David C.
      >
      > --- On Fri, 7/17/09, martin winlow <m.winlow@...> wrote:
      >
      > > From: martin winlow <m.winlow@...>
      > > Subject: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
      > > To: "EVDL Post Message" <ev@...>
      > > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:22 AM Hello all,
      > >
      > > I thought you might be interested in a cheap but perfectly useable
      > > pair of hydraulic crimpers on Ebay - item no 300328868504.
      > > This set has a max
      > > cable/lug size of 70mm2 and exerts 8T of force (apparently). It
      > > certainly worked very well on my 2/0 (70mm2) cable and lugs and with
      > > a bit of practise the crimps look very acceptable and the connection
      > > feels really good.
      > > Making a crimp takes about a minute - 2 minutes to cut the cable,
      > > strip the insulation and make the crimp. The seller is based in the
      > > UK and supplied the crimpers and 30 x 2/0 (70mm2) lugs for ?43.
      > > There is a larger 12T pair
      > > which goes up to 120mm2 for an extra ?5.
      > >
      > > Regards, Martin Winlow.
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      Message: 14
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:23:22 -0400
      From: dave cover <davecover@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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      And the ones available in the US are 3 to 4 times the price of the
      recent group purchase. Not worth it.

      On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Kent.Barnes<kent.barnes@...> wrote:
      > Those crimpers are great but the ebay listing is from the United Kingdom and
      > he won't ship to the US
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On Behalf
      > Of Thos True
      > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:18 AM
      > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
      > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
      >
      > I bought one of these crimpers as part of a group purchase. The unit works
      > great, but it can be very tricky getting the finished crimp out of the jaws
      > on crimps over 1/0. The throw on the ram is only about 1/2" or less, meaning
      > that you may be required to remove one of the dies in order to release your
      > finished cable. It is still an incredible bargain, just gets a bit limited
      > in practicality for the larger jobs. -Thos
      >
      > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:39 PM, David Chapman <iasimovian@...> wrote:
      >
      >>
      >> Hi Martin,
      >> Indeed looks like a nice piece. I was not able to find the other
      >> larger unit you referred to in the sellers Ebay store, is this
      >> something you found in 11 Shrubs physical store or something? I
      >> wouldn't mind taking a look at that one, for the small difference in price
      > would likely just buy that one.
      >> BTW, did you purchase one? I am curious who / where the manufacturer
      >> is, seems like the seller blacked out part of the label on the case
      >> and I cannot make out the brand or model # so I could research it.
      > Regards, David C.
      >>
      >> --- On Fri, 7/17/09, martin winlow <m.winlow@...> wrote:
      >>
      >> > From: martin winlow <m.winlow@...>
      >> > Subject: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
      >> > To: "EVDL Post Message" <ev@...>
      >> > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:22 AM Hello all,
      >> >
      >> > I thought you might be interested in a cheap but perfectly useable
      >> > pair of hydraulic crimpers on Ebay - item no 300328868504.
      >> > This set has a max
      >> > cable/lug size of 70mm2 and exerts 8T of force (apparently). ?It
      >> > certainly worked very well on my 2/0 (70mm2) cable and lugs and with
      >> > a bit of practise the crimps look very acceptable and the connection
      >> > feels really good.
      >> > Making a crimp takes about a minute - 2 minutes to cut the cable,
      >> > strip the insulation and make the crimp. The seller is based in the
      >> > UK and supplied the crimpers and 30 x 2/0 (70mm2) lugs for ?43.
      >> > There is a larger 12T pair
      >> > which goes up to 120mm2 for an extra ?5.
      >> >
      >> > Regards, Martin Winlow.
      >> >
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      Message: 15
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:45:06 -0700
      From: Jeff Shanab <jshanab@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Z1K & PFC30 on Ebay
      To: ev@...
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      You may want to mention if it comes with a hariball or not and with which options.
      I forgot, do all PFC30's have the boost option



      > FYI I'm selling a new Z1K-HV & PFC30 on eBay, Item number: 220452523665
      >
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      Message: 16
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:48:51 -0700 (PDT)
      From: Charlie P <charlesccharles@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] emergency disconnect
      To: ev@...
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      Please consider this ,I believe carbon is a good electric conductor? but not
      very strong . Place a carbon rod in a holder, with cables attached .In the
      center of this rod, place an insulated ring attached by cable to a handle in
      passenger compartment, a quick jerk or stomp on pedal or handle should break
      carbon into many pieces stopping current flow.
      --
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      Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com.



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      Message: 17
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:53:53 -0700
      From: Jeff Shanab <jshanab@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] what factor hp conversion?
      To: ev@...
      Message-ID: <4A61E201.8090004@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

      My best friend used to work for a small engine shop. It was known that
      for portable compressors, washers,pumps, and tractors that If you were
      replacing an electric motor with a gas one the HP had to be 3 times the
      HP rating. I don't know if it scales well.

      Basically the difference is one of convention. They rate ICE at peak
      which occurs at one rpm and load. But it can often do close to that
      continuously once there. (In some cases even this is a lie. My
      mitsubishi was rated at a point you couldn't even obtain, low hp motors
      often are. I have heard that the newer Ford Mustangs are rated below
      their max to keep some lawyers happy and meet quotas)

      An electric motor is rated in continuous, what you can give it forever
      with adequate cooling. But it is capable of giving a lot more and at a
      lot of different rpm points for shorter periods.

      I think the electric motor is a better match for accelerating the load.
      More torque at the beginning when you needed it to get the mass moving
      and less needed to cruise. The hybrid manufactures realized this pretty
      quick.



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      Message: 18
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:54:12 -0500
      From: gary <gkrysztopik@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Porsche Tachometer
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <4A61E214.7060109@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

      Cafe Electric also sells a speed sensor for mounting on the tailshaft.

      http://cafeelectric.com/shop/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=5


      Gary Krysztopik
      www.ZWheelz.com
      www.aceaa.org
      San Antonio, TX



      rdudleypfsllc@... wrote:
      > I am trying to use the existing tachometer in my 1994 Porsche 911 to read the electric motor speed, but I am not sure what type of signal it can read.? My research thus far suggests that tachs typically get 12V (sometime 5V is used) square wave with pulses per second representing RPM.? The number of pulses per second vary for 4, 6 or 8 cylinder ICEs.? Given that I do not have original points/distributor from the ICE or the engine control unit which fed the tach its original signal, I am looking to add a device to the double ended shaft of my WARP motor and feed a signal to the tachometer input line.
      >
      > Does anyone know what type of signal a mid-90s Porsche tach is expecting to receive?
      > Has anyone added an RPM counter to the C-end of their electric motor and fed it to a Porsche tach? Can you recommend a brand??
      >
      > I really appreciate comments from those who have been down this path before.
      >
      > Many thanks,
      > An EV Rookie facing lots of challenges, but having lots of fun
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      Message: 19
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:21:19 -0400
      From: Roger Heuckeroth <rheuckeroth@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] what factor hp conversion?
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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      Any chance of getting the torque curves for both the diesel and the
      electric motor?

      Sent from my iPhone

      On Jul 17, 2009, at 3:37 PM, fred <fred_dot_u@...> wrote:

      > An interesting response. I didn't need the direct conversion
      > figures, since I had a pretty close approximation to them already,
      > but the answers I've selected is the closest to what I understood to
      > be valid. It's the torque that matters and is especially useful in
      > my need for information.
      >
      > The comparison on which I'm working involves a diesel ICE of about
      > 15 hp, and diesels are pretty torquey. I'm thinking that a 5kw
      > electric would probably be a good match. What say you all?
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > ________________________________
      > ------------------------------
      >
      > Origina Message: 8
      > Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 19:36:03 -0400
      > From: Roger Heuckeroth <rheuckeroth@...>
      > Subject: Re: [EVDL] what factor hp conversion?
      >
      > On Jul 16, 2009, at 6:33 PM, Robert Johnston wrote:
      >
      >> On Thu, Jul 16, 2009 at 16:16, fred<fred_dot_u@...> wrote:
      >>> I'm aware that one cannot make a valid comparison between electric
      >>> motor horsepower and infernal combustion engine horsepower, but is
      >>> there a rule of thumb (or any other digit) that one can use to
      >>> compare the two?
      >>>
      >>> Let's say that you have a 5kw electric motor. Google says 1kw is
      >>> anywhere from one and a quarter hp to one and a third. Taking the
      >>> higher figure, that would mean that a 5kw motor is a bit more than
      >>> 6 hp, say six and a half.
      >>>
      >>> That's all well and good, but six and a half horses in ICE form
      >>> isn't anywhere as powerful as a 5kw electric motor.
      >>>
      >>> What would be a more practical way to look at this? Let's say that
      >>> one wants to have an electric motor to perform on a par with a 15hp
      >>> diesel? Would a 5kw electric do as well?
      >>
      >> Bear in mind that HP values for ICEs are peak value readings, whereas
      >> HP values for electric motors are constant load values.
      >>
      >> So while your brand new Shelby Mustang might have a 475HP engine,
      >> you'll only actually get that 475HP at ideal revs, in ideal
      >> conditions. For regular driving, and to hold speed, that ICE will be
      >> producing something like 20-30HP, tops.
      >> --
      >
      > I think it is more relevant to talk in terms of torque when comparing
      > ICE and an electric motor. Most people drive their ICEs at low RPM
      > (under 3500 rpm). The motor never even gets close to the peak HP of
      > the ICE. Good low end torque is what gives you decent acceleration in
      > an electric car. If you compare the torque curve of a series DC motor
      > with that of an ICE you will find that the ICE has a steep curve and
      > the motor will have a relatively flat curve. All that low RPM torque
      > is what makes an electric accelerate well. Peak HP is going to limit
      > your top speed, but do little for you on acceleration.
      >
      >
      >
      >
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      Message: 20
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 10:10:07 -0700
      From: "Roland Wiench" <ev_7@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] emergency disconnect
      To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
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      Hello Charlie,

      Research the items it take to do this, and experiment. Go to a welding
      supply store and pick up two carbon rod holders that 2/0 cable can attach
      to. Install the carbon rod which you can get from the welding shop between
      the two holders.

      Apply a 50 amp load and break it to see how much arc and fire it will
      develop. To enclose the arcing, you then will have to enclose the carbon rod
      with a removable high temperature Pyrex tube with a guild tube fuse to it
      for a insulated cable mechanism.

      Try it again and see what happens. Now if you can get the cost of this
      device below a quick disconnect made by Power Anderson or even some
      contactors with a 2000 amp interrupting rating, then you may have something.

      Roland


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Charlie P" <charlesccharles@...>
      To: <ev@...>
      Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 7:48 AM
      Subject: [EVDL] emergency disconnect


      >
      > Please consider this ,I believe carbon is a good electric conductor? but
      > not
      > very strong . Place a carbon rod in a holder, with cables attached .In
      > the
      > center of this rod, place an insulated ring attached by cable to a handle
      > in
      > passenger compartment, a quick jerk or stomp on pedal or handle should
      > break
      > carbon into many pieces stopping current flow.
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      Message: 21
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 09:13:14 -0800
      From: m gol <gol.m86@...>
      Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List <ev@...>
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      OK...I will let you in on a secret!

      http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=66150

      This should second nature...to shop around?

      On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 6:23 AM, dave cover <davecover@...> wrote:

      > And the ones available in the US are 3 to 4 times the price of the
      > recent group purchase. Not worth it.
      >
      > On Sat, Jul 18, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Kent.Barnes<kent.barnes@...>
      > wrote:
      > > Those crimpers are great but the ebay listing is from the United Kingdom
      > and
      > > he won't ship to the US
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: ev-bounces@... [mailto:ev-bounces@...] On
      > Behalf
      > > Of Thos True
      > > Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2009 3:18 AM
      > > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
      > > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
      > >
      > > I bought one of these crimpers as part of a group purchase. The unit
      > works
      > > great, but it can be very tricky getting the finished crimp out of the
      > jaws
      > > on crimps over 1/0. The throw on the ram is only about 1/2" or less,
      > meaning
      > > that you may be required to remove one of the dies in order to release
      > your
      > > finished cable. It is still an incredible bargain, just gets a bit
      > limited
      > > in practicality for the larger jobs. -Thos
      > >
      > > On Fri, Jul 17, 2009 at 9:39 PM, David Chapman <iasimovian@...>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > >>
      > >> Hi Martin,
      > >> Indeed looks like a nice piece. I was not able to find the other
      > >> larger unit you referred to in the sellers Ebay store, is this
      > >> something you found in 11 Shrubs physical store or something? I
      > >> wouldn't mind taking a look at that one, for the small difference in
      > price
      > > would likely just buy that one.
      > >> BTW, did you purchase one? I am curious who / where the manufacturer
      > >> is, seems like the seller blacked out part of the label on the case
      > >> and I cannot make out the brand or model # so I could research it.
      > > Regards, David C.
      > >>
      > >> --- On Fri, 7/17/09, martin winlow <m.winlow@...> wrote:
      > >>
      > >> > From: martin winlow <m.winlow@...>
      > >> > Subject: [EVDL] Hydraulic Crimper
      > >> > To: "EVDL Post Message" <ev@...>
      > >> > Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 4:22 AM Hello all,
      > >> >
      > >> > I thought you might be interested in a cheap but perfectly useable
      > >> > pair of hydraulic crimpers on Ebay - item no 300328868504.
      > >> > This set has a max
      > >> > cable/lug size of 70mm2 and exerts 8T of force (apparently). It
      > >> > certainly worked very well on my 2/0 (70mm2) cable and lugs and with
      > >> > a bit of practise the crimps look very acceptable and the connection
      > >> > feels really good.
      > >> > Making a crimp takes about a minute - 2 minutes to cut the cable,
      > >> > strip the insulation and make the crimp. The seller is based in the
      > >> > UK and supplied the crimpers and 30 x 2/0 (70mm2) lugs for ?43.
      > >> > There is a larger 12T pair
      > >> > which goes up to 120mm2 for an extra ?5.
      > >> >
      > >> > Regards, Martin Winlow.
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      Message: 22
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 13:18:48 -0400
      From: "Barry Oppenheim" <barry@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] Electric Porsche on Craigslist
      To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" <ev@...>
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      Does anyone know anything about this car on Craigslist?
      http://portland.craigslist.org/wsc/cto/1268435803.html

      A friend who is a Porsche enthusiast and was thinking about converting a
      Porsche saw this.

      Thanks,
      Barry Oppenheim
      New Hope, PA
      www.JustAnotherEVConversion.blogspot.com



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      Message: 23
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:01:58 -0700
      From: Steven Lough <stevenslough@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] A gathering of the QUICKEST !!!
      To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <4A620E16.4020305@...>
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      The SPORT of EV racing is going to Cut a new High Water Mark this coming
      week end. I think it should be worth mentioning...

      ----------------------------------------------------------------------
      FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

      World?s Quickest Electric Vehicles to Race at Portland International
      Raceway.

      PORTLAND, OR (JULY 4, 2009) - John ?Plasma Boy? Wayland, of Plasma Boy
      Racing and NEDRA (National Electric Drag Racing Association), are
      pleased to announce the Wayland Invitational IV at Portland
      International Raceway (PIR), July 24th and 25th, 2009 at 6:00 pm.

      Come and see what electric power is all about at the hottest electric
      vehicle racing event of the year. Electric vehicles (EVs) from the
      newest production cars, including six or more Tesla Roadsters and the
      Tango, to 11 second street rides, to all-out 7 second drag bikes and
      rails that will be pushing the EV performance envelope for 1/4 mile
      acceleration dominance.

      Wayland and his electric drag car ?White Zombie? are well-known for
      breaking through barriers in the electric car world. John Fialka of The
      Wall Street Journal said, ?White Zombie is leaving conventional muscle
      cars in the dust.? Wayland co-founded NEDRA and has been featured in
      television shows (The Speed Channel and OPB?s Oregon Field Guide),
      newspapers (The Wall Street Journal and The New York Times), and
      magazine articles (Retro Cars and Car & Driver).

      Plasma Boy Racing?s mission is to educate, inform, and demonstrate to
      the public that electric cars can be exciting as well as environmentally
      responsible. Going green doesn't mean slow, dull, and boring! Join us
      in cheering on the world's quickest and most powerful tire shredding,
      pure battery powered cars, trucks, and motor cycles as they mix it up
      with conventional gasoline vehicles in two nights of heads-up drag
      racing fun!

      The event will take place on July 24th and 25th, 2009. PIR?s gates open
      at 6:00 pm, both Friday and Saturday. Admission is $8.00 for adults,
      $5.00 for children ages 6 to 12, and children 5 and under are free. All
      racers will pay a $25.00 entrance fee. If you have not raced at PIR
      before, the track charges a $20.00 racer registration fee which is good
      for two years. An optional donation at the gate will benefit Curtis
      Cottengim, a local young autistic boy who needs a service dog.

      Portland International Raceway is located at West Delta Park - 1940 N.
      Victory Boulevard, Portland, Oregon 97217. For more information on the
      raceway, go to PIR?s website at www.portlandraceway.com.

      Part of the racing fun includes a traditional Saturday morning Electric
      Breakfast & EV Show & Shine at the Village Inn restaurant located at
      10301 S.E. Stark Street, on the corner of S.E. Stark and S.E. 103rd
      Drive in East Portland. People will start to gather around 8:00 am, and
      continues until noon. All EVs are welcome to be on display at our
      Electric Breakfast & EV Show & Shine.

      For more information on John Wayland and the Plasma Boy Racing
      organization, please visit www.plasmaboyracing.com, and for more
      information on NEDRA, please visit www.nedra.com. To see what ?White
      Zombie? can achieve and what EV racing is all about, check out these
      links to some great videos.

      ? OPB?s Oregon Field Guide - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BrHXdM9f13k

      ? Running on Lithium -
      http://www.youtube.com/user/filmrancher#play/uploads/5/dIHyHFq9iwk

      CONTACT:

      Roy LeMeur Marissa Wayland
      Event Chairman Event/PR Coordinator
      (360)-528-0468 (503)-256-5064
      roylemeur@... rissa@...
      --
      Steven S. Lough, Pres.
      Seattle EV Association
      6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
      Seattle, WA 98115-7230
      Day: 206 524 1351
      Cell: 206 850 8535
      e-mail: stevenslough@...
      web: http://www.seattleeva.org



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      Message: 24
      Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2009 11:49:25 -0700
      From: Steven Lough <stevenslough@...>
      Subject: [EVDL] Looking for the Ed Bagley Jr's "Quote"
      To: seva@..., Electric Vehicle Discussion List RCVR
      <ev@...>
      Message-ID: <4A621935.9010500@...>
      Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed

      Looking for Ed Jr's quote....

      I can't remember who uses this quite on their Trailor, or End of Message....

      The one that ends in..
      "....The EV Detractors are right! Only 90% could use an EV"

      Or something close to that. It is from the Movie...WKtEC"

      I had it some where...
      Want to copy and Frame it for my office "Wall of Shame"

      Thanks....
      --
      Steven S. Lough, Pres.
      Seattle EV Association
      6021 32nd Ave. N.E.
      Seattle, WA 98115-7230
      Day: 206 524 1351
      Cell: 206 850 8535
      e-mail: stevenslough@...
      web: http://www.seattleeva.org



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