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  • byersnc
    Lindy- I ended up with 6 of the 9 early type obv die caps that Mike Faraone had. One of the 3 that I didn t end up with was his Buffalo Nickel obv die cap. It
    Message 1 of 18 , Jan 3, 2005
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      Lindy- I ended up with 6 of the 9 early type obv die caps that Mike
      Faraone had. One of the 3 that I didn't end up with was his Buffalo
      Nickel obv die cap. It is owned by Bob Entlich, a Stack's employee.
      In 2004 I offered him $30,000 (thirty thousand) and he passed. He
      said he was offered that 2 other times and that it was not for sale.


      Mike Byers
      http://mikebyers.com







      --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "mrlindy2000"
      <adkinstone@a...> wrote:
      >
      > Exactly. He had put them in custom capital plastics holders just
      like
      > your 2c piece. With his name on each and ana id #. It was an
      > incredible set of diecaps to behold.
      >
      > Lindy
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, byersnc
      > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Lindy-speaking of Mike Faraone- here's the 2c obv die cap from
      his
      > > collection:
      > >
      > > http://minterrornews.com/18652ccapslab.jpg
      > > http://minterrornews.com/18652ccapsm.jpg
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Mike Byers
      > > http://mikebyers.com
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, byersnc
      > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Lindy-the 1856 Lg Cent Obv Die Cap is 1/2 inch high with 10
      rings
      > > > around the inside of the cap showing each of the strikes!!
      Plus
      > > > everyone you mentioned in your post would obviously say it's a
      die
      > > > cap.
      > > >
      > > > Mike Byers
      > > > http://mikebyers.com
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In
      errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "mrlindy2000"
      > > > <adkinstone@a...> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Whose "definition" are you using?
      > > > >
      > > > > In numerous pictures of caps in the 1970's and 1980's error
      sales
      > > > > publications these single coin multistrikes are most always
      > > called
      > > > > diecaps.
      > > > >
      > > > > Devine, Weinberg, Roosmalen, Steiner, Ziempher, Fivaz,
      Stanton,
      > > > > Schemmer, Halpern, Margolis, ANA, ANACS, NCG, PCGS... have
      all
      > > > taken
      > > > > called these grey~area items "diecaps" in their printed
      photos,
      > > > sales
      > > > > catalogues, websites, slab descriptions...
      > > > >
      > > > > Indeed, you may be right strictly using this stated
      definition.
      > > > Single
      > > > > coin multistike coins with brockage or uniface 2rd sides may
      not
      > > be
      > > > > diecap by this definition. But,
      > > > >
      > > > > For me, I disagree on this piece and on the 1856 lg Cent,
      and
      > > on
      > > > 1888
      > > > > Morgan, ect whose 4 year old photos were mentioned earlier.
      > > > >
      > > > > The 1856 Lg Cent die cap is a diecap in my eyes, and also
      for
      > > all
      > > > the
      > > > > important encapsulators these days from what I see on ebay.
      I
      > > think
      > > > > the 1856 1c is currently in a "diecap" slab. I recognize it
      from
      > > > when
      > > > > Mike Farrone owned in in 1981ish. He was a local error
      > > specialist
      > > > with
      > > > > amazing 1800's "diecaps". If I remember right he had the
      1856 in
      > > a
      > > > > customized 8x10 capitol plastics "diecap" gold embossed
      holder
      > > of
      > > > his
      > > > > making, way back before "slabs". Back then Farrone had more
      than
      > > a
      > > > > dozen type coin caps. Many of his pieces displayed
      this "single"
      > > > coin
      > > > > possibility die cap. He'd bring them to coin club show &
      tell.
      > > > Quite
      > > > > impressive "diecaps".
      > > > >
      > > > > Lindy
      > > > >
      > > > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike
      > > > Diamond"
      > > > > <mdia1@a...> wrote:
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In
      > > > errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "mrlindy2000"
      > > > > > <adkinstone@a...> wrote:
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > I agree it's a nested pair bottom coin. Where I disagree
      is
      > > > that its
      > > > > > > not a "diecap" just because it was multistruck into just
      one
      > > > coin.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > But then you'd need to re-define what a die cap is. By
      > > > definition, a
      > > > > > die cap is a coin that is struck into at least one OTHER
      > > > planchet
      > > > > > AFTER the initial strike. It is a coin that must function
      AS
      > > > the die
      > > > > > face in striking fresh coins. By definition, it is NOT
      > > > sufficient
      > > > > > simply to be multi-struck against the same coin or
      planchet
      > > that
      > > > was
      > > > > > involved in the initial strike.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > If
      > > > > > > you had both pieces to this set: "obv die cap" &
      this "rev
      > > die
      > > > cap"
      > > > > > > and together it appeared they received 3+ strikes
      together,
      > > > how
      > > > > > would
      > > > > > > you describe the two? I'm guessing not a die cap set,
      right?
      > > > > >
      > > > > > The top coin was certainly an obverse die cap or at least
      > > > started as
      > > > > > an obverse die cap (it may have secondarily adhered to the
      > > > bottom
      > > > > > coin). It is not the case, however, that the bottom coin
      is a
      > > > > > reverse die cap. It is a coin with a full, centered
      brockage
      > > > that
      > > > > > temporarily wrapped around the obverse cap. The bottom
      coin
      > > > never
      > > > > > contacted another coin or planchet.
      > > > > > >
      > > > > > > In the old days, turn of the century before last, you'd
      get
      > > the
      > > > > > > classic thimbal shape diecaps. These days you get coins
      > > struck
      > > > > > > together numerous times, obliterating previous die
      details
      > > and
      > > > > > > displaying saucer shape, grossly expanded diameters.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > Multiple strikes and cupping do not necessarily translate
      into
      > > a
      > > > die
      > > > > > cap. The definition of a die cap is quite precise. This
      does
      > > > not
      > > > > > detract from the interest and value of this coin. But you
      > > would
      > > > have
      > > > > > to call it what it is -- a deeply cupped, multi-stuck,
      > > brockaged
      > > > cent.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > If you loosen up the definition for a cap, then you get
      the
      > > > situation
      > > > > > we see today in slabbed and raw coins. All sorts of coins
      are
      > > > being
      > > > > > called die caps which aren't, from simple cupped
      broadstrikes,
      > > > to
      > > > > > uniface broadstrikes, to broadstrikes with full, centered,
      > > first-
      > > > > > strike brockages, etc.
    • fred_weinberg
      I gotta chime in at this point, just for pedigree info....... Both the 1856 Large Cent and the Buffalo Nickel Reverse Die Cap are from the 1974 Bolt
      Message 2 of 18 , Jan 3, 2005
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        I gotta chime in at this point, just for pedigree info.......

        Both the 1856 Large Cent and the Buffalo Nickel
        Reverse Die Cap are from the 1974 Bolt Collection.
        That collection had over 2,000 MAJOR error type
        coins, starting in 1794, and nothing was past 1955 !!

        The Buffalo Rev. Cap was, and is Unique..............

        The Jerri Bobbie Morgan Cap was Ex-Roy Gray - he
        had it at the very first EAR in 1967 at the Hollywood-
        Roosevelt Hotel. It was priced at $1,000 at the time
        (pretty sure I remember the price), and on the last
        day of the show (Sunday), my mother came by, and
        as I introduced her to all of my error buddies
        (Mort Goodman, Arnie Margolis, Syd Kass, plus all
        the dealers) she saw the Morgan piece in Roys showcase,
        and said quote "Your Father would Love that for an
        Ashtray!!"

        I will never forget the look on Roy's face!!!

        Oh, well, another new year, and more old memories..........

        See you guys tomorrow morning........it's been fun reading
        the posts today.....
        Fred



        --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, byersnc
        <no_reply@y...> wrote:
        >
        > Lindy- I ended up with 6 of the 9 early type obv die caps that
        Mike
        > Faraone had. One of the 3 that I didn't end up with was his
        Buffalo
        > Nickel obv die cap. It is owned by Bob Entlich, a Stack's
        employee.
        > In 2004 I offered him $30,000 (thirty thousand) and he passed. He
        > said he was offered that 2 other times and that it was not for
        sale.
        >
        >
        > Mike Byers
        > http://mikebyers.com
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "mrlindy2000"
        > <adkinstone@a...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Exactly. He had put them in custom capital plastics holders just
        > like
        > > your 2c piece. With his name on each and ana id #. It was an
        > > incredible set of diecaps to behold.
        > >
        > > Lindy
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, byersnc
        > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
        > > >
        > > > Lindy-speaking of Mike Faraone- here's the 2c obv die cap from
        > his
        > > > collection:
        > > >
        > > > http://minterrornews.com/18652ccapslab.jpg
        > > > http://minterrornews.com/18652ccapsm.jpg
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > Mike Byers
        > > > http://mikebyers.com
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, byersnc
        > > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > Lindy-the 1856 Lg Cent Obv Die Cap is 1/2 inch high with 10
        > rings
        > > > > around the inside of the cap showing each of the strikes!!
        > Plus
        > > > > everyone you mentioned in your post would obviously say it's
        a
        > die
        > > > > cap.
        > > > >
        > > > > Mike Byers
        > > > > http://mikebyers.com
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > --- In
        > errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "mrlindy2000"
        > > > > <adkinstone@a...> wrote:
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Whose "definition" are you using?
        > > > > >
        > > > > > In numerous pictures of caps in the 1970's and 1980's
        error
        > sales
        > > > > > publications these single coin multistrikes are most
        always
        > > > called
        > > > > > diecaps.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Devine, Weinberg, Roosmalen, Steiner, Ziempher, Fivaz,
        > Stanton,
        > > > > > Schemmer, Halpern, Margolis, ANA, ANACS, NCG, PCGS... have
        > all
        > > > > taken
        > > > > > called these grey~area items "diecaps" in their printed
        > photos,
        > > > > sales
        > > > > > catalogues, websites, slab descriptions...
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Indeed, you may be right strictly using this stated
        > definition.
        > > > > Single
        > > > > > coin multistike coins with brockage or uniface 2rd sides
        may
        > not
        > > > be
        > > > > > diecap by this definition. But,
        > > > > >
        > > > > > For me, I disagree on this piece and on the 1856 lg Cent,
        > and
        > > > on
        > > > > 1888
        > > > > > Morgan, ect whose 4 year old photos were mentioned
        earlier.
        > > > > >
        > > > > > The 1856 Lg Cent die cap is a diecap in my eyes, and also
        > for
        > > > all
        > > > > the
        > > > > > important encapsulators these days from what I see on
        ebay.
        > I
        > > > think
        > > > > > the 1856 1c is currently in a "diecap" slab. I recognize
        it
        > from
        > > > > when
        > > > > > Mike Farrone owned in in 1981ish. He was a local error
        > > > specialist
        > > > > with
        > > > > > amazing 1800's "diecaps". If I remember right he had the
        > 1856 in
        > > > a
        > > > > > customized 8x10 capitol plastics "diecap" gold embossed
        > holder
        > > > of
        > > > > his
        > > > > > making, way back before "slabs". Back then Farrone had
        more
        > than
        > > > a
        > > > > > dozen type coin caps. Many of his pieces displayed
        > this "single"
        > > > > coin
        > > > > > possibility die cap. He'd bring them to coin club show &
        > tell.
        > > > > Quite
        > > > > > impressive "diecaps".
        > > > > >
        > > > > > Lindy
        > > > > >
        > > > > > --- In
        errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike
        > > > > Diamond"
        > > > > > <mdia1@a...> wrote:
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > --- In
        > > > > errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "mrlindy2000"
        > > > > > > <adkinstone@a...> wrote:
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > I agree it's a nested pair bottom coin. Where I
        disagree
        > is
        > > > > that its
        > > > > > > > not a "diecap" just because it was multistruck into
        just
        > one
        > > > > coin.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > But then you'd need to re-define what a die cap is. By
        > > > > definition, a
        > > > > > > die cap is a coin that is struck into at least one OTHER
        > > > > planchet
        > > > > > > AFTER the initial strike. It is a coin that must
        function
        > AS
        > > > > the die
        > > > > > > face in striking fresh coins. By definition, it is NOT
        > > > > sufficient
        > > > > > > simply to be multi-struck against the same coin or
        > planchet
        > > > that
        > > > > was
        > > > > > > involved in the initial strike.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > If
        > > > > > > > you had both pieces to this set: "obv die cap" &
        > this "rev
        > > > die
        > > > > cap"
        > > > > > > > and together it appeared they received 3+ strikes
        > together,
        > > > > how
        > > > > > > would
        > > > > > > > you describe the two? I'm guessing not a die cap set,
        > right?
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > The top coin was certainly an obverse die cap or at
        least
        > > > > started as
        > > > > > > an obverse die cap (it may have secondarily adhered to
        the
        > > > > bottom
        > > > > > > coin). It is not the case, however, that the bottom
        coin
        > is a
        > > > > > > reverse die cap. It is a coin with a full, centered
        > brockage
        > > > > that
        > > > > > > temporarily wrapped around the obverse cap. The bottom
        > coin
        > > > > never
        > > > > > > contacted another coin or planchet.
        > > > > > > >
        > > > > > > > In the old days, turn of the century before last,
        you'd
        > get
        > > > the
        > > > > > > > classic thimbal shape diecaps. These days you get
        coins
        > > > struck
        > > > > > > > together numerous times, obliterating previous die
        > details
        > > > and
        > > > > > > > displaying saucer shape, grossly expanded diameters.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > Multiple strikes and cupping do not necessarily
        translate
        > into
        > > > a
        > > > > die
        > > > > > > cap. The definition of a die cap is quite precise.
        This
        > does
        > > > > not
        > > > > > > detract from the interest and value of this coin. But
        you
        > > > would
        > > > > have
        > > > > > > to call it what it is -- a deeply cupped, multi-stuck,
        > > > brockaged
        > > > > cent.
        > > > > > >
        > > > > > > If you loosen up the definition for a cap, then you get
        > the
        > > > > situation
        > > > > > > we see today in slabbed and raw coins. All sorts of
        coins
        > are
        > > > > being
        > > > > > > called die caps which aren't, from simple cupped
        > broadstrikes,
        > > > > to
        > > > > > > uniface broadstrikes, to broadstrikes with full,
        centered,
        > > > first-
        > > > > > > strike brockages, etc.
      • Mike Diamond
        We always enjoy your trips down memory lane, Fred. Since buffalo nickels were struck with the reverse die acting as the hammer die, a buffalo nickel reverse
        Message 3 of 18 , Jan 4, 2005
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          We always enjoy your trips down memory lane, Fred.

          Since buffalo nickels were struck with the reverse die acting as the
          hammer die, a buffalo nickel reverse die cap would be equivalent to
          an obverse die cap for most other denominations.

          --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg
          <no_reply@y...> wrote:
          >
          > I gotta chime in at this point, just for pedigree info.......
          >
          > Both the 1856 Large Cent and the Buffalo Nickel
          > Reverse Die Cap are from the 1974 Bolt Collection.
          > That collection had over 2,000 MAJOR error type
          > coins, starting in 1794, and nothing was past 1955 !!
          >
          > The Buffalo Rev. Cap was, and is Unique..............
          >
          > The Jerri Bobbie Morgan Cap was Ex-Roy Gray - he
          > had it at the very first EAR in 1967 at the Hollywood-
          > Roosevelt Hotel. It was priced at $1,000 at the time
          > (pretty sure I remember the price), and on the last
          > day of the show (Sunday), my mother came by, and
          > as I introduced her to all of my error buddies
          > (Mort Goodman, Arnie Margolis, Syd Kass, plus all
          > the dealers) she saw the Morgan piece in Roys showcase,
          > and said quote "Your Father would Love that for an
          > Ashtray!!"
          >
          > I will never forget the look on Roy's face!!!
          >
          > Oh, well, another new year, and more old memories..........
          >
          > See you guys tomorrow morning........it's been fun reading
          > the posts today.....
          > Fred
        • fred_weinberg
          Yes, when I said Buffalo Nickel Reverse Cap Die, I meant the reverse design, not the reverse die. Should I have said Reverse Buffalo Nickel Cap Die? Most
          Message 4 of 18 , Jan 4, 2005
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            Yes, when I said Buffalo Nickel Reverse Cap Die,
            I meant the reverse design, not the reverse die.
            Should I have said Reverse Buffalo Nickel Cap Die?

            Most Buffalo Nickels, Mercury Dimes, most Standing Liberty
            Quarters, and Peace dollars have the reverse die as
            the Anvil (top) die.


            Fred



            --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond"
            <mdia1@a...> wrote:
            >
            > We always enjoy your trips down memory lane, Fred.
            >
            > Since buffalo nickels were struck with the reverse die acting as
            the
            > hammer die, a buffalo nickel reverse die cap would be equivalent
            to
            > an obverse die cap for most other denominations.
            >
            > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg
            > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
            > >
            > > I gotta chime in at this point, just for pedigree info.......
            > >
            > > Both the 1856 Large Cent and the Buffalo Nickel
            > > Reverse Die Cap are from the 1974 Bolt Collection.
            > > That collection had over 2,000 MAJOR error type
            > > coins, starting in 1794, and nothing was past 1955 !!
            > >
            > > The Buffalo Rev. Cap was, and is Unique..............
            > >
            > > The Jerri Bobbie Morgan Cap was Ex-Roy Gray - he
            > > had it at the very first EAR in 1967 at the Hollywood-
            > > Roosevelt Hotel. It was priced at $1,000 at the time
            > > (pretty sure I remember the price), and on the last
            > > day of the show (Sunday), my mother came by, and
            > > as I introduced her to all of my error buddies
            > > (Mort Goodman, Arnie Margolis, Syd Kass, plus all
            > > the dealers) she saw the Morgan piece in Roys showcase,
            > > and said quote "Your Father would Love that for an
            > > Ashtray!!"
            > >
            > > I will never forget the look on Roy's face!!!
            > >
            > > Oh, well, another new year, and more old memories..........
            > >
            > > See you guys tomorrow morning........it's been fun reading
            > > the posts today.....
            > > Fred
          • byersnc
            Fred- that s why I called it an obverse die cap- it s an obverse die cap of the REVERSE DESIGN, since the reverse die was most likely the anvil die... Speaking
            Message 5 of 18 , Jan 4, 2005
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              Fred- that's why I called it an obverse die cap- it's an obverse die
              cap of the REVERSE DESIGN, since the reverse die was most likely the
              anvil die...


              Speaking of Mercury Dimes using the reverse die as the anvil die-
              check out this unique Mercury Dime obverse die cap of the reverse
              design:

              http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2203151882


              Mike Byers
              http://mikebyers.com

              -----------------------------------------------




              --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg
              <no_reply@y...> wrote:
              >
              > Yes, when I said Buffalo Nickel Reverse Cap Die,
              > I meant the reverse design, not the reverse die.
              > Should I have said Reverse Buffalo Nickel Cap Die?
              >
              > Most Buffalo Nickels, Mercury Dimes, most Standing Liberty
              > Quarters, and Peace dollars have the reverse die as
              > the Anvil (top) die.
              >
              >
              > Fred
              >
              >
              >
              > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike
              Diamond"
              > <mdia1@a...> wrote:
              > >
              > > We always enjoy your trips down memory lane, Fred.
              > >
              > > Since buffalo nickels were struck with the reverse die acting as
              > the
              > > hammer die, a buffalo nickel reverse die cap would be equivalent
              > to
              > > an obverse die cap for most other denominations.
              > >
              > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com,
              fred_weinberg
              > > <no_reply@y...> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > I gotta chime in at this point, just for pedigree info.......
              > > >
              > > > Both the 1856 Large Cent and the Buffalo Nickel
              > > > Reverse Die Cap are from the 1974 Bolt Collection.
              > > > That collection had over 2,000 MAJOR error type
              > > > coins, starting in 1794, and nothing was past 1955 !!
              > > >
              > > > The Buffalo Rev. Cap was, and is Unique..............
              > > >
              > > > The Jerri Bobbie Morgan Cap was Ex-Roy Gray - he
              > > > had it at the very first EAR in 1967 at the Hollywood-
              > > > Roosevelt Hotel. It was priced at $1,000 at the time
              > > > (pretty sure I remember the price), and on the last
              > > > day of the show (Sunday), my mother came by, and
              > > > as I introduced her to all of my error buddies
              > > > (Mort Goodman, Arnie Margolis, Syd Kass, plus all
              > > > the dealers) she saw the Morgan piece in Roys showcase,
              > > > and said quote "Your Father would Love that for an
              > > > Ashtray!!"
              > > >
              > > > I will never forget the look on Roy's face!!!
              > > >
              > > > Oh, well, another new year, and more old memories..........
              > > >
              > > > See you guys tomorrow morning........it's been fun reading
              > > > the posts today.....
              > > > Fred
            • Mike Diamond
              Oh, I wasn t questioning your description. I was just letting folks who were unfamiliar with the die set-up for buffalo nickels know that a reverse die cap in
              Message 6 of 18 , Jan 4, 2005
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                Oh, I wasn't questioning your description. I was just letting folks
                who were unfamiliar with the die set-up for buffalo nickels know that
                a reverse die cap in a buffalo nickel is functionally equivalent to
                an obverse die cap in, say, a Jefferson nickel.

                You can call it a reverse die cap or, perhaps less confusingly, a
                hammer die cap.

                --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg
                <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                >
                > Yes, when I said Buffalo Nickel Reverse Cap Die,
                > I meant the reverse design, not the reverse die.
                > Should I have said Reverse Buffalo Nickel Cap Die?
                >
                > Most Buffalo Nickels, Mercury Dimes, most Standing Liberty
                > Quarters, and Peace dollars have the reverse die as
                > the Anvil (top) die.
                >
                >
                > Fred
              • Mike Diamond
                No, it s a hammer die cap, not an obverse die cap. An obverse die cap in a buffalo nickel would be functionally equivalent to a reverse die cap in most other
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                  No, it's a hammer die cap, not an obverse die cap. An obverse die
                  cap in a buffalo nickel would be functionally equivalent to a reverse
                  die cap in most other denominations.

                  Like I say, when you're dealing with Mercury dimes and buffalo
                  nickels, it probably causes less confusion if you talk about hammer
                  die caps and anvil die caps.

                  Your Mercury dime "hammer die cap" with full, centered brockage of
                  the reverse design on the obverse face faces the same problem as the
                  1886 Morgan dollar and 1856 large cent. The brockage is full, crisp,
                  and appears to be a first-strike brockage. The sharp brockage shows
                  uniform expansion and clarity from edge to center, indicating it did
                  not strike another planchet after initial formation and thus fails to
                  qualify as a die cap.

                  But no matter what you call it, it's still unique.

                  --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, byersnc
                  <no_reply@y...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Fred- that's why I called it an obverse die cap- it's an obverse
                  die
                  > cap of the REVERSE DESIGN, since the reverse die was most likely
                  the
                  > anvil die...
                  >
                  >
                  > Speaking of Mercury Dimes using the reverse die as the anvil die-
                  > check out this unique Mercury Dime obverse die cap of the reverse
                  > design:
                  >
                  > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2203151882
                  >
                  >
                  > Mike Byers
                  > http://mikebyers.com
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