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Re: 13-Year Acquisition Time - Finally - Die Cap Morgan Dollar

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  • Travis
    I really like the brockage side of the coin.
    Message 1 of 7 , Mar 21, 2013
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      I really like the brockage side of the coin.

      --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg <no_reply@...> wrote:
      >
      > Thought I would share this new item - with an interesting story behind it.
      >
      > In August of 2000, I rec'd an email from someone who said he owned a
      > Die Cap Morgan Dollar (!). I asked him to please email me scans of it.
      > He never did, so I figured it was a made-up story, or maybe he was
      > confusing it with a one-oz. silver round error, etc.
      >
      > In 2004, he contacted me again, saying he was thinking of buying some
      > property, and would I be interested in it. I replied once again, saying,certainly, please email me scans of it, and we'd go from there. No reply or scans. I forgot about it....
      >
      > About three weeks ago, my assistant was going thru old 'correspondence
      > files' to shred - she found the series of emails we had sent back and forth since 2000 - and said "wow, this is old - do you want to try to contact him again?"...I thought about it, and might have said "no" in another situation, but because of what the coin was (supposedly), I said 'Oh well, let's try him again"
      >
      > I sent another email, rec'd a reply the same day, and he said that he still had the coin, that his father rec'd it sometime in the early 1960's, but that he didn't know anything else about how/why/where his father got it.
      >
      > I asked for scans again (like I had been doing for almost 13 years!)
      >
      > This time, two days later, the scans were emailed to me, and I just about fell off my chair - a new discovery, never seen/heard of before, a 1903 Morgan Dollar Die Cap.....only the 2nd one known, as far I know. (the other is an 1886, once owned by Amon Carter, now residing in the Pacific Northwest, I believe)
      >
      > It's one of my longest 'waiting to aquire' time-frame error coins, but I finally got it..... hope the scans appear with this post for all to see..........
      >
      > <a href="http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/fredweinberg/media/1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg"/></a>
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    • Mike Diamond
      It s a great looking error, but I wouldn t characterize it as a die cap. Instead it appears to be a cupped broadstrike with a full, centered first-strike
      Message 2 of 7 , Mar 21, 2013
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        It's a great looking error, but I wouldn't characterize it as a die cap. Instead it appears to be a cupped broadstrike with a full, centered first-strike brockage of the obverse design on the reverse face. Strong cupping would be expected to develop in the course of a single strike as a result of the double thickness involved. And I see no evidence of more than one strike.

        Still, I realize grading services invariably label such errors as die caps.

        --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg <no_reply@...> wrote:
        >
        > Thought I would share this new item - with an interesting story behind it.
        >
        > In August of 2000, I rec'd an email from someone who said he owned a
        > Die Cap Morgan Dollar (!). I asked him to please email me scans of it.
        > He never did, so I figured it was a made-up story, or maybe he was
        > confusing it with a one-oz. silver round error, etc.
        >
        > In 2004, he contacted me again, saying he was thinking of buying some
        > property, and would I be interested in it. I replied once again, saying,certainly, please email me scans of it, and we'd go from there. No reply or scans. I forgot about it....
        >
        > About three weeks ago, my assistant was going thru old 'correspondence
        > files' to shred - she found the series of emails we had sent back and forth since 2000 - and said "wow, this is old - do you want to try to contact him again?"...I thought about it, and might have said "no" in another situation, but because of what the coin was (supposedly), I said 'Oh well, let's try him again"
        >
        > I sent another email, rec'd a reply the same day, and he said that he still had the coin, that his father rec'd it sometime in the early 1960's, but that he didn't know anything else about how/why/where his father got it.
        >
        > I asked for scans again (like I had been doing for almost 13 years!)
        >
        > This time, two days later, the scans were emailed to me, and I just about fell off my chair - a new discovery, never seen/heard of before, a 1903 Morgan Dollar Die Cap.....only the 2nd one known, as far I know. (the other is an 1886, once owned by Amon Carter, now residing in the Pacific Northwest, I believe)
        >
        > It's one of my longest 'waiting to aquire' time-frame error coins, but I finally got it..... hope the scans appear with this post for all to see..........
        >
        > <a href="http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/fredweinberg/media/1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg"/></a>
        >
        > [IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-3_zps922ff1e9.jpg%5b/IMG]
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        > [IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-9copy_zps60b462c4.jpg%5b/IMG]
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        > [IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-11_zps30766c19.jpg%5b/IMG]
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      • jylitalo
        I agree it is a fantastic error and it must be very rare. It is a great story of a 13 year obsession given by Fred. (Most of my error coin obsessions occur in
        Message 3 of 7 , Mar 21, 2013
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          I agree it is a fantastic error and it must be very rare. It is a great story of a 13 year obsession given by Fred. (Most of my error coin obsessions occur in my dreams and never play out.)

          I do hate to say it, but I would call it from the images I'm seeing, a broadstrike with a mirror brockage of the obverse on the reverse, (meaning this error coin's reverse landed on and was struck with an already struck Morgan dollar undereath). 

          Mike D. is obviously giving heart felt compassion and giving it the extra clarification it does deserve..."Instead, it appears to be a cupped broadstrike with a full, centered first-strike brockage of the obverse design on the reverse face."

          I wish I could, ...make it a die-cap, ...call it a die-cap, ...insist beyond a measure of doubt that it is a die-cap,...but I can't.

          So now, I guess, the burden of making the right and final call rests on Fred's shoulders should his coin be entombed into a slab with a proper and accurate description.

          Jeff

          --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@...> wrote:
          >
          > It's a great looking error, but I wouldn't characterize it as a die cap. Instead it appears to be a cupped broadstrike with a full, centered first-strike brockage of the obverse design on the reverse face. Strong cupping would be expected to develop in the course of a single strike as a result of the double thickness involved. And I see no evidence of more than one strike.
          >
          > Still, I realize grading services invariably label such errors as die caps.
          >
          > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg no_reply@ wrote:
          > >
          > > Thought I would share this new item - with an interesting story behind it.
          > >
          > > In August of 2000, I rec'd an email from someone who said he owned a
          > > Die Cap Morgan Dollar (!). I asked him to please email me scans of it.
          > > He never did, so I figured it was a made-up story, or maybe he was
          > > confusing it with a one-oz. silver round error, etc.
          > >
          > > In 2004, he contacted me again, saying he was thinking of buying some
          > > property, and would I be interested in it. I replied once again, saying,certainly, please email me scans of it, and we'd go from there. No reply or scans. I forgot about it....
          > >
          > > About three weeks ago, my assistant was going thru old 'correspondence
          > > files' to shred - she found the series of emails we had sent back and forth since 2000 - and said "wow, this is old - do you want to try to contact him again?"...I thought about it, and might have said "no" in another situation, but because of what the coin was (supposedly), I said 'Oh well, let's try him again"
          > >
          > > I sent another email, rec'd a reply the same day, and he said that he still had the coin, that his father rec'd it sometime in the early 1960's, but that he didn't know anything else about how/why/where his father got it.
          > >
          > > I asked for scans again (like I had been doing for almost 13 years!)
          > >
          > > This time, two days later, the scans were emailed to me, and I just about fell off my chair - a new discovery, never seen/heard of before, a 1903 Morgan Dollar Die Cap.....only the 2nd one known, as far I know. (the other is an 1886, once owned by Amon Carter, now residing in the Pacific Northwest, I believe)
          > >
          > > It's one of my longest 'waiting to aquire' time-frame error coins, but I finally got it..... hope the scans appear with this post for all to see..........
          > >
          > > <a href="http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/fredweinberg/media/1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg"/></a>
          > >
          > > [IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-3_zps922ff1e9.jpg[/IMG]
          > >
          > > [IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-9copy_zps60b462c4.jpg[/IMG]
          > >
          > > [IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-11_zps30766c19.jpg[/IMG]
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          > > [IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-6_zps14b9c20c.jpg[/IMG]
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          >
        • Howard Spindel
          This page has photos of a similar dollar that Mike also attrributed as a cupped broadstrike with full centered firt strike brockage:
          Message 4 of 7 , Mar 23, 2013
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            This page has photos of a similar dollar that Mike also attrributed as a cupped broadstrike with full centered firt strike brockage:

            http://www.pdxcoinclub.org/gallery/StrikingErrors/StrikingErrors.html

            I took the photos years ago, so I remembered the coin.





            --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@...> wrote:
            >
            > It's a great looking error, but I wouldn't characterize it as a die cap. Instead it appears to be a cupped broadstrike with a full, centered first-strike brockage of the obverse design on the reverse face. Strong cupping would be expected to develop in the course of a single strike as a result of the double thickness involved. And I see no evidence of more than one strike.
            >
            > Still, I realize grading services invariably label such errors as die caps.
            >
            > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg no_reply@ wrote:
            > >
            > > Thought I would share this new item - with an interesting story behind it.
            > >
            > > In August of 2000, I rec'd an email from someone who said he owned a
            > > Die Cap Morgan Dollar (!). I asked him to please email me scans of it.
            > > He never did, so I figured it was a made-up story, or maybe he was
            > > confusing it with a one-oz. silver round error, etc.
            > >
            > > In 2004, he contacted me again, saying he was thinking of buying some
            > > property, and would I be interested in it. I replied once again, saying,certainly, please email me scans of it, and we'd go from there. No reply or scans. I forgot about it....
            > >
            > > About three weeks ago, my assistant was going thru old 'correspondence
            > > files' to shred - she found the series of emails we had sent back and forth since 2000 - and said "wow, this is old - do you want to try to contact him again?"...I thought about it, and might have said "no" in another situation, but because of what the coin was (supposedly), I said 'Oh well, let's try him again"
            > >
            > > I sent another email, rec'd a reply the same day, and he said that he still

          • Mike Diamond
            Thanks for adding this link to the discussion.
            Message 5 of 7 , Mar 23, 2013
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              Thanks for adding this link to the discussion.

              --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, Howard Spindel <howard@...> wrote:
              >
              > This page has photos of a similar dollar that
              > Mike also attrributed as a cupped broadstrike
              > with full centered firt strike brockage:
              >
              > http://www.pdxcoinclub.org/gallery/StrikingErrors/StrikingErrors.html
              >
              > I took the photos years ago, so I remembered the coin.
            • mrlindy2000
              Fantastic Aquisition Story & Epic Error Find Fred ! I count 4 strikes in the obverse denticles. Lindy
              Message 6 of 7 , Mar 23, 2013
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                Fantastic Aquisition Story & Epic Error Find Fred !

                I count 4 strikes in the obverse denticles.

                Lindy

                --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, fred_weinberg <no_reply@...> wrote:
                >
                > Thought I would share this new item - with an interesting story behind it.
                >
                > In August of 2000, I rec'd an email from someone who said he owned a
                > Die Cap Morgan Dollar (!). I asked him to please email me scans of it.
                > He never did, so I figured it was a made-up story, or maybe he was
                > confusing it with a one-oz. silver round error, etc.
                >
                > In 2004, he contacted me again, saying he was thinking of buying some
                > property, and would I be interested in it. I replied once again, saying,certainly, please email me scans of it, and we'd go from there. No reply or scans. I forgot about it....
                >
                > About three weeks ago, my assistant was going thru old 'correspondence
                > files' to shred - she found the series of emails we had sent back and forth since 2000 - and said "wow, this is old - do you want to try to contact him again?"...I thought about it, and might have said "no" in another situation, but because of what the coin was (supposedly), I said 'Oh well, let's try him again"
                >
                > I sent another email, rec'd a reply the same day, and he said that he still had the coin, that his father rec'd it sometime in the early 1960's, but that he didn't know anything else about how/why/where his father got it.
                >
                > I asked for scans again (like I had been doing for almost 13 years!)
                >
                > This time, two days later, the scans were emailed to me, and I just about fell off my chair - a new discovery, never seen/heard of before, a 1903 Morgan Dollar Die Cap.....only the 2nd one known, as far I know. (the other is an 1886, once owned by Amon Carter, now residing in the Pacific Northwest, I believe)
                >
                > It's one of my longest 'waiting to aquire' time-frame error coins, but I finally got it..... hope the scans appear with this post for all to see..........
                >
                > <a href="http://s1289.photobucket.com/user/fredweinberg/media/1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg.html" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 1903Morgan-1_zps4ff39d61.jpg"/></a>
                >
                > [IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-3_zps922ff1e9.jpg%5b/IMG]
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                > [IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-9copy_zps60b462c4.jpg%5b/IMG]
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                > [IMG]http://i1289.photobucket.com/albums/b501/fredweinberg/1903Morgan-11_zps30766c19.jpg%5b/IMG]
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