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  • mytidawg
    Hi y all I am helping a customer with this piece...to me this 1997 D Lincoln cent so-called error looks man-made (a destroyed penny) I told him I would put
    Message 1 of 7 , Feb 2, 2011
      Hi y'all

      I am helping a customer with this piece...to me this 1997 D Lincoln cent "so-called" error looks man-made (a destroyed penny)

      I told him I would put it up here for the "experts" to review.....his biggest concern is the color of the penny.....did it miss a "wash" in its process?

      any and all feedback is appreciated

      coin can be seen at

      http://www.falconecoins.com/penny1

      and

      http://www.falconecoins.com/penny2

      sorry for the blurry pics

      VF
    • Rob Risi
      To me it looks like post strike damage, NOT AN ERROR, but im not 100% sure...I m 75% sure, but you should get an answer soon from others.    ~ROB
      Message 2 of 7 , Feb 2, 2011
        To me it looks like post strike damage, NOT AN ERROR, but im not 100% sure...I'm 75% sure, but you should get an answer soon from others.

         
         
         
        ~ROB RISI~
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         
         


        --- On Wed, 2/2/11, mytidawg <vfalcone_1@...> wrote:

        From: mytidawg <vfalcone_1@...>
        Subject: [Error Coin Information Exchange] error ...or??
        To: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com
        Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 6:54 PM

         

        Hi y'all

        I am helping a customer with this piece...to me this 1997 D Lincoln cent "so-called" error looks man-made (a destroyed penny)

        I told him I would put it up here for the "experts" to review.....his biggest concern is the color of the penny.....did it miss a "wash" in its process?

        any and all feedback is appreciated

        coin can be seen at

        http://www.falconecoins.com/penny1

        and

        http://www.falconecoins.com/penny2

        sorry for the blurry pics

        VF


      • Lee Lydston
        I see post strike damage as well since I cannot imagine how a crumpled planchet (such as the coin displayed) could possibly receive an impression in the
        Message 3 of 7 , Feb 2, 2011

          I see post strike damage as well since I cannot imagine how a crumpled planchet (such as the coin displayed) could possibly receive an impression in the recesses of the crumpled area without getting straightened out flat.

           


          From: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com [mailto:errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Risi
          Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2011 4:10 PM
          To: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [Error Coin Information Exchange] error ...or??

           

           

          To me it looks like post strike damage, NOT AN ERROR, but im not 100% sure...I'm 75% sure, but you should get an answer soon from others.

           

           

           

          ~ROB RISI~

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           

           



          --- On Wed, 2/2/11, mytidawg <vfalcone_1@...> wrote:


          From: mytidawg <vfalcone_1@...>
          Subject: [Error Coin Information Exchange] error ...or??
          To: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com
          Date: Wednesday, February 2, 2011, 6:54 PM

           

          Hi y'all

          I am helping a customer with this piece...to me this 1997 D Lincoln cent "so-called" error looks man-made (a destroyed penny)

          I told him I would put it up here for the "experts" to review.....his biggest concern is the color of the penny.....did it miss a "wash" in its process?

          any and all feedback is appreciated

          coin can be seen at

          http://www.falconecoins.com/penny1

          and

          http://www.falconecoins.com/penny2

          sorry for the blurry pics

          VF

           

        • Mike Diamond
          I agree that the warped surfaces are not something a coinage press would produce. The coin was altered outside the Mint, possibly by the application of heat.
          Message 4 of 7 , Feb 2, 2011
            I agree that the warped surfaces are not something a coinage press would produce. The coin was altered outside the Mint, possibly by the application of heat.

            --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "mytidawg" <vfalcone_1@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hi y'all
            >
            > I am helping a customer with this piece...to me this 1997 D Lincoln cent "so-called" error looks man-made (a destroyed penny)
            >
            > I told him I would put it up here for the "experts" to review.....his biggest concern is the color of the penny.....did it miss a "wash" in its process?
            >
            > any and all feedback is appreciated
            >
            > coin can be seen at
            >
            > http://www.falconecoins.com/penny1
            >
            > and
            >
            > http://www.falconecoins.com/penny2
            >
            > sorry for the blurry pics
            >
            > VF
            >
          • innff@aol.com
            Just to add to Mike s post. Since this is a zinc core Lincoln cent, applied heat is the most likely cause for warping or deformation. Zinc has a melt point of
            Message 5 of 7 , Feb 3, 2011
              Just to add to Mike's post. Since this is a zinc core Lincoln cent, applied heat is the most likely cause for warping or deformation. Zinc has a melt point of 787.15 degrees F., while copper has a melt point of  1984.32 degrees F. What this means is that the zinc can be melted inside the copper plate and moved around creating weird shapes, dents, bulges and weights. All this can be accomplished on a kitchen stove.
               
               
              In a message dated 2/2/2011 9:43:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdia1@... writes:
               

              I agree that the warped surfaces are not something a coinage press would produce. The coin was altered outside the Mint, possibly by the application of heat.

              --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "mytidawg" <vfalcone_1@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hi y'all
              >
              > I am helping a customer with this piece...to me this 1997 D Lincoln cent "so-called" error looks man-made (a destroyed penny)
              >
              > I told him I would put it up here for the "experts" to review.....his biggest concern is the color of the penny.....did it miss a "wash" in its process?
              >
              > any and all feedback is appreciated
              >
              > coin can be seen at
              >
              > http://www.falconecoins.com/penny1
              >
              > and
              >
              > http://www.falconecoins.com/penny2
              >
              > sorry for the blurry pics
              >
              > VF
              >

            • Lee Lydston
              Wouldn t that have discolored the copper? _____ From: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com [mailto:errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com] On
              Message 6 of 7 , Feb 3, 2011

                Wouldn’t that have discolored the copper?

                 


                From: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com [mailto: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of innff@...
                Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:32 AM
                To: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [Error Coin Information Exchange] Re: error ...or??

                 

                 

                Just to add to Mike's post. Since this is a zinc core Lincoln cent, applied heat is the most likely cause for warping or deformation. Zinc has a melt point of 787.15 degrees F., while copper has a melt point of  1984.32 degrees F. What this means is that the zinc can be melted inside the copper plate and moved around creating weird shapes, dents, bulges and weights. All this can be accomplished on a kitchen stove.

                 

                 

                In a message dated 2/2/2011 9:43:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdia1@... writes:

                 

                I agree that the warped surfaces are not something a coinage press would produce. The coin was altered outside the Mint, possibly by the application of heat.

                --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "mytidawg" <vfalcone_1@...> wrote:
                >
                > Hi y'all
                >
                > I am helping a customer with this piece...to me this 1997 D Lincoln cent "so-called" error looks man-made (a destroyed penny)
                >
                > I told him I would put it up here for the "experts" to review.....his biggest concern is the color of the penny.....did it miss a "wash" in its process?
                >
                > any and all feedback is appreciated
                >
                > coin can be seen at
                >
                > http://www.falconecoins.com/penny1
                >
                > and
                >
                > http://www.falconecoins.com/penny2
                >
                > sorry for the blurry pics
                >
                > VF
                >

              • innff@aol.com
                Not necessarily. The changing of color is caused by copper oxide which is formed by a reaction to the oxygen in the air when the copper is being heated. A
                Message 7 of 7 , Feb 3, 2011
                  Not necessarily. The changing of color is caused by copper oxide which is formed by a reaction to the oxygen in the air when the copper is being heated. A reducing agent, such as hydrogen, will reduce the copper oxide on the surface layer and return the copper to its original state of color. A mild abrasive will also do the same.
                   
                  If you remember the copper bottom pots and pans; they discolored when heat was applied to them. However, a mild abrasive brought the original color back. 
                   
                  In a message dated 2/3/2011 10:16:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, lee.lydston@... writes:
                   

                  Wouldn’t that have discolored the copper?


                  From: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com [mailto: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of innff@...
                  Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:32 AM
                  To: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [Error Coin Information Exchange] Re: error ...or??

                   

                  Just to add to Mike's post. Since this is a zinc core Lincoln cent, applied heat is the most likely cause for warping or deformation. Zinc has a melt point of 787.15 degrees F., while copper has a melt point of  1984.32 degrees F. What this means is that the zinc can be melted inside the copper plate and moved around creating weird shapes, dents, bulges and weights. All this can be accomplished on a kitchen stove.

                  In a message dated 2/2/2011 9:43:04 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mdia1@... writes:

                   

                  I agree that the warped surfaces are not something a coinage press would produce. The coin was altered outside the Mint, possibly by the application of heat.

                  --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "mytidawg" <vfalcone_1@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Hi y'all
                  >
                  > I am helping a customer with this piece...to me this 1997 D Lincoln cent "so-called" error looks man-made (a destroyed penny)
                  >
                  > I told him I would put it up here for the "experts" to review.....his biggest concern is the color of the penny.....did it miss a "wash" in its process?
                  >
                  > any and all feedback is appreciated
                  >
                  > coin can be seen at
                  >
                  > http://www.falconecoins.com/penny1
                  >
                  > and
                  >
                  > http://www.falconecoins.com/penny2
                  >
                  > sorry for the blurry pics
                  >
                  > VF
                  >

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