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  • dermestid
    One of our members has asked me to consider starting a certification service for the members of ECIE. The idea is to create a board of examiners composed of
    Message 1 of 2 , May 30, 2002
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      One of our members has asked me to consider starting a certification
      service for the members of ECIE. The idea is to create a board of
      examiners composed of specialists in the error/variety field. I
      would presumably handle errors (sensu stricto) while others would
      take on the challenge of attributing doubled dies, RPM's, and other
      die varieties. Coins will be diagnosed and fully described and
      explained, in contrast to the spare, incomplete, and sometimes
      inaccurate labels found on slabs.

      Frankly, I'm content with the informal system we have now. All
      members can post images and descriptions of their coins and the
      membership can give its collective opinion. Where a personal
      examination is required, any member can send me a coin at no cost
      other than return postage.

      An "official" certification service would require, at the very least,
      the printing up of cards with photos, description, and diagnosis. It
      would be done the way Lonesome John did it in days long past. The
      extra effort and expense would entail an additional expense for the
      members.

      Any official certification service would have to compete with
      established grading services which have the advantage of name
      recognition and reputation. The market is unlikely to recognize the
      validity and reliability of coins certified by this club. Finally,
      CONECA and NCADD have low cost error and variety attribution services
      of their own.

      Be that as it may, I will float the idea to the club to get the
      members' opinions. If there is a groundswell of support for such a
      service, I will explore the possibility further.
    • Rafael Delgado
      A very interesting discussion about woes with grading services OR disservices has been going on. For us Newbies (whether 6 or 60 yrs. old) it is difficult to
      Message 2 of 2 , Jun 1, 2002
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        A very interesting discussion about woes with grading
        services OR disservices has been going on. For us
        Newbies (whether 6 or 60 yrs. old) it is difficult to
        select a grading service, SPECIALLY ON ERRORS. Why? If
        you don't know what kind of error you're looking at,
        How can you evaluate the grading services?
        Answer to this dilemma: COIN CLUBS!

        My impression is that slabs do solve a grading problem
        and KEEP the coin in that grade TO PROTECT INVESTMENT.
        Under the above circumstances vaccum slabbing seems
        secondary IN ERROR COINS, unless slabbing were vital
        to the VALUE of the coin. But then NEWBIES don't start
        with thousand dollar coins. It is more likely to build
        knowledge that carries us to deeper understanding.
        This knowledge would then help in re-directing our
        collection through selling the unwanted & buying your
        thematic coins.
        Answer: COULD IT BE COIN CLUBS ALSO!

        An error certification service JUST FOR MEMBERS that
        could provide at the very least, the printing up of
        cards (maybe quality photos could be provided by the
        submitting member), description, and diagnosis would
        help build such knowledge. However, it seems unfair
        that the extra effort and expense be borne just by the
        certifyier.
        BUT THEN, WE ARE AN ERROR COIN CLUB! AREN'T WE?

        Answer? : I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR IT FROM OUR 250+
        SILENT MEMBERS

        Ralph

        --- dermestid <mdia1@...> wrote:
        > One of our members has asked me to consider starting
        > a certification
        > service for the members of ECIE. The idea is to
        > create a board of
        > examiners composed of specialists in the
        > error/variety field. I
        > would presumably handle errors (sensu stricto) while
        > others would
        > take on the challenge of attributing doubled dies,
        > RPM's, and other
        > die varieties. Coins will be diagnosed and fully
        > described and
        > explained, in contrast to the spare, incomplete, and
        > sometimes
        > inaccurate labels found on slabs.
        >
        > Frankly, I'm content with the informal system we
        > have now. All
        > members can post images and descriptions of their
        > coins and the
        > membership can give its collective opinion. Where a
        > personal
        > examination is required, any member can send me a
        > coin at no cost
        > other than return postage.
        >
        > An "official" certification service would require,
        > at the very least,
        > the printing up of cards with photos, description,
        > and diagnosis. It
        > would be done the way Lonesome John did it in days
        > long past. The
        > extra effort and expense would entail an additional
        > expense for the
        > members.
        >
        > Any official certification service would have to
        > compete with
        > established grading services which have the
        > advantage of name
        > recognition and reputation. The market is unlikely
        > to recognize the
        > validity and reliability of coins certified by this
        > club. Finally,
        > CONECA and NCADD have low cost error and variety
        > attribution services
        > of their own.
        >
        > Be that as it may, I will float the idea to the club
        > to get the
        > members' opinions. If there is a groundswell of
        > support for such a
        > service, I will explore the possibility further.
        >
        >


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