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  • Al C.
    Interesting indeed, but I have never seen a diamond-shaped bumps on a vise, I guess the mint workers could have been bored. ...
    Message 1 of 12 , Jun 7, 2006
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      Interesting indeed, but I have never seen a
      diamond-shaped bumps on a vise, I guess the mint
      workers could have been bored.

      --- Mike Diamond <mdia1@...> wrote:

      > It was done in the mint (presumably the Denver mint)
      > long after the
      > Indian coin was struck and before it was struck by
      > nickel dies.
      > That's the story, anyway.
      >
      > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com,
      > "Al C."
      > <bull102797@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Interesting, was this done before the first strike
      > or
      > > second strike?
      > >
      > > --- Mike Diamond <mdia1@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > > I spoke to Mike Chambers about 1964 coins struck
      > > > over 1/4 rupee coins
      > > > from the 1940's. He says he was told by a
      > former
      > > > mint employee that
      > > > the diamond-shaped "cancellation marks" are
      > instead
      > > > indentations caused
      > > > by the coins being compressed in a vise. The
      > two
      > > > faces of the vise had
      > > > diamond-shaped bumps on the surface to helf
      > prevent
      > > > slippage of items
      > > > placed in the vise.
      > > >
      > > > I cannot determine the veracity of Mike's
      > source.
      > > > Mike also did not
      > > > have any insights as to why this "hand
      > preparation"
      > > > was done prior to
      > > > the strike.
      >
      >
      >
      >


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    • Mike Diamond
      It s best to regard any third-hand report with a healthy dose of skepticism.
      Message 2 of 12 , Jun 7, 2006
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        It's best to regard any third-hand report with a healthy dose of
        skepticism.

        --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Al C."
        <bull102797@...> wrote:
        >
        > Interesting indeed, but I have never seen a
        > diamond-shaped bumps on a vise, I guess the mint
        > workers could have been bored.
      • Bill Snyder
        I ve just put a picture of an India coin with diamond (or square) pattern in the default album. Is this the same pattern you are discussing? Bill
        Message 3 of 12 , Jun 8, 2006
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          I've just put a picture of an India coin with diamond (or square)
          pattern in the default album.
          Is this the same pattern you are discussing?

          Bill

          ******************************************************************


          --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond"
          <mdia1@...> wrote:
          >
          > I spoke to Mike Chambers about 1964 coins struck over 1/4 rupee coins
          > from the 1940's. He says he was told by a former mint employee that
          > the diamond-shaped "cancellation marks" are instead indentations caused
          > by the coins being compressed in a vise. The two faces of the vise had
          > diamond-shaped bumps on the surface to helf prevent slippage of items
          > placed in the vise.
          >
          > I cannot determine the veracity of Mike's source. Mike also did not
          > have any insights as to why this "hand preparation" was done prior to
          > the strike.
          >
        • Mike Diamond
          No, the diamonds I was talking about are small and incuse. Maybe Al can post a picture of his coin for you. Your coin is interesting, though. I haven t seen
          Message 4 of 12 , Jun 8, 2006
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            No, the diamonds I was talking about are small and incuse. Maybe Al
            can post a picture of his coin for you.

            Your coin is interesting, though. I haven't seen this kind of
            damage/alteration before.

            --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Snyder"
            <billsnyder2000@...> wrote:
            >
            >
            > I've just put a picture of an India coin with diamond (or square)
            > pattern in the default album.
            > Is this the same pattern you are discussing?
            >
            > Bill
          • Bill Snyder
            I can t seem to find that edition of Alan Herbert s book. Could someone someone post a picture? Thanks, Bill
            Message 5 of 12 , Jun 8, 2006
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              I can't seem to find that edition of Alan Herbert's book.
              Could someone someone post a picture?

              Thanks,
              Bill

              *************************************************************

              --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "mrlindy2000"
              <adkinstone@...> wrote:
              >
              > Interesting Bill, I've never seen that pattern before.
              >
              > Please see Page 262 in Alan Herbert's Minting Varieties and Errors,
              > 1991, 5th ed for a pic of the diamond pattern cancelation on a
              > 1940's india coin which was then restruck by 1964 1c die pair.
              >
              > Lindy
              >
              > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Snyder"
              > <billsnyder2000@> wrote:
              > >
              > >
              > > I've just put a picture of an India coin with diamond (or
              > square)
              > > pattern in the default album.
              > > Is this the same pattern you are discussing?
              > >
              > > Bill
              > >
              > > ******************************************************************
              > >
              > >
              > > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Mike Diamond"
              > > <mdia1@> wrote:
              > > >
              > > > I spoke to Mike Chambers about 1964 coins struck over 1/4 rupee
              > coins
              > > > from the 1940's. He says he was told by a former mint employee
              > that
              > > > the diamond-shaped "cancellation marks" are instead indentations
              > caused
              > > > by the coins being compressed in a vise. The two faces of the
              > vise had
              > > > diamond-shaped bumps on the surface to helf prevent slippage of
              > items
              > > > placed in the vise.
              > > >
              > > > I cannot determine the veracity of Mike's source. Mike also did
              > not
              > > > have any insights as to why this "hand preparation" was done
              > prior to
              > > > the strike.
              > > >
              > >
              >
            • Al C.
              Here are two pictures: http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/LALASD4/1964-DStruckonadamagedIndia1940ANAC.jpg
              Message 6 of 12 , Jun 8, 2006
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                Here are two pictures:
                 
                 
                ----- Original Message ----
                From: Mike Diamond <mdia1@...>
                To: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2006 5:58:15 AM
                Subject: [Error Coin Information Exchange] Re: More info on overstruck 1/4 rupees

                No, the diamonds I was talking about are small and incuse. Maybe Al
                can post a picture of his coin for you.

                Your coin is interesting, though. I haven't seen this kind of
                damage/alteration before.

                --- In errorcoininformatio nexchange@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill Snyder"
                <billsnyder2000@ ...> wrote:

                >
                >
                > I've just put a picture of an India coin with diamond (or square)
                > pattern in the default album.
                > Is this the same pattern you are discussing?
                >
                > Bill


              • Bill Snyder
                Thank you, Al. I was only able to get the 2nd picture but it gives a very good look. Regards, Bill ...
                Message 7 of 12 , Jun 8, 2006
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                  Thank you, Al.

                  I was only able to get the 2nd picture but it gives a very good look.

                  Regards,
                  Bill

                  ******************************************************************

                  --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com, "Al C."
                  <bull102797@...> wrote:
                  >
                  > Here are two pictures:
                  >
                  >
                  http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/LALASD4/1964-DStruckonadamagedIndia1940ANAC.jpg
                  >
                  > http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/LALASD4/2.jpg
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message ----
                  > From: Mike Diamond <mdia1@...>
                  > To: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2006 5:58:15 AM
                  > Subject: [Error Coin Information Exchange] Re: More info on
                  overstruck 1/4 rupees
                  >
                  >
                  > No, the diamonds I was talking about are small and incuse. Maybe Al
                  > can post a picture of his coin for you.
                  >
                  > Your coin is interesting, though. I haven't seen this kind of
                  > damage/alteration before.
                  >
                  > --- In errorcoininformatio nexchange@ yahoogroups. com, "Bill Snyder"
                  > <billsnyder2000@ ...> wrote:
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > I've just put a picture of an India coin with diamond (or square)
                  > > pattern in the default album.
                  > > Is this the same pattern you are discussing?
                  > >
                  > > Bill
                  >
                • Al C.
                  By your command. http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/LALASD4/OBV1.jpg ... __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam?
                  Message 8 of 12 , Jun 9, 2006
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                    By your command.

                    http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/LALASD4/OBV1.jpg

                    --- mrlindy2000 <adkinstone@...> wrote:

                    > Good Job Al C!!!!!!
                    >
                    > Thats easily the BEST reverse scan I have ever seen
                    > of one of these
                    > unexplainable error overstrikes!!!
                    >
                    > I agree with you(now), it does look like a real 5c
                    > denver reverse
                    > die strike.
                    >
                    > Your obverse link is not showing up. Can you fix it
                    > please???
                    >
                    > Lindy
                    >
                    > --- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com,
                    > "Al C."
                    > <bull102797@...> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Here are two pictures:
                    > >
                    > >
                    > http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/LALASD4/1964-
                    > DStruckonadamagedIndia1940ANAC.jpg
                    > >
                    > >
                    > http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/LALASD4/2.jpg
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ----- Original Message ----
                    > > From: Mike Diamond <mdia1@...>
                    > > To: errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2006 5:58:15 AM
                    > > Subject: [Error Coin Information Exchange] Re:
                    > More info on
                    > overstruck 1/4 rupees
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > No, the diamonds I was talking about are small and
                    > incuse. Maybe
                    > Al
                    > > can post a picture of his coin for you.
                    > >
                    > > Your coin is interesting, though. I haven't seen
                    > this kind of
                    > > damage/alteration before.
                    > >
                    > > --- In errorcoininformatio nexchange@ yahoogroups.
                    > com, "Bill
                    > Snyder"
                    > > <billsnyder2000@ ...> wrote:
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > I've just put a picture of an India coin with
                    > diamond (or square)
                    > > > pattern in the default album.
                    > > > Is this the same pattern you are discussing?
                    > > >
                    > > > Bill
                    > >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >


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                  • Al C.
                    Not sure but this is the only 5c that I have seen, and it will not go anywhere for a few years. I don t think we have enough info. to write a story, but you
                    Message 9 of 12 , Jun 9, 2006
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                      Not sure but this is the only 5c that I have seen, and
                      it will not go anywhere for a few years. I don't think
                      we have enough info. to write a story, but you guys
                      can print the scans.



                      --- mrlindy2000 <adkinstone@...> wrote:

                      > Man thats a very very cool piece!
                      >
                      > And it indeed looks quite real to me! Great Scans
                      > for sure. I am
                      > 100% convinced and now understand why they turn up
                      > in slabs as real:
                      > Silly Me.
                      >
                      > So am I right in remembering that this is the only
                      > 5c USA restrike
                      > known to exist Al C? You should keep it forever.
                      >
                      > If coneca will print these scans full size as shown
                      > and in the
                      > round, you should write a story about it. Its an
                      > exciting overstrike.
                      >
                      > Thanks! Lindy
                      >
                      > -- In errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com,
                      > "Al C."
                      > <bull102797@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > By your command.
                      > >
                      > >
                      >
                      http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/LALASD4/OBV1.jpg
                      > >
                      > > --- mrlindy2000 <adkinstone@...> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > > Good Job Al C!!!!!!
                      > > >
                      > > > Thats easily the BEST reverse scan I have ever
                      > seen
                      > > > of one of these
                      > > > unexplainable error overstrikes!!!
                      > > >
                      > > > I agree with you(now), it does look like a real
                      > 5c
                      > > > denver reverse
                      > > > die strike.
                      > > >
                      > > > Your obverse link is not showing up. Can you fix
                      > it
                      > > > please???
                      > > >
                      > > > Lindy
                      > > >
                      > > > --- In
                      > errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com,
                      > > > "Al C."
                      > > > <bull102797@> wrote:
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Here are two pictures:
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/LALASD4/1964-
                      > > > DStruckonadamagedIndia1940ANAC.jpg
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g105/LALASD4/2.jpg
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > ----- Original Message ----
                      > > > > From: Mike Diamond <mdia1@>
                      > > > > To:
                      > errorcoininformationexchange@yahoogroups.com
                      > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 8, 2006 5:58:15 AM
                      > > > > Subject: [Error Coin Information Exchange] Re:
                      > > > More info on
                      > > > overstruck 1/4 rupees
                      > > > >
                      > > > >
                      > > > > No, the diamonds I was talking about are small
                      > and
                      > > > incuse. Maybe
                      > > > Al
                      > > > > can post a picture of his coin for you.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > Your coin is interesting, though. I haven't
                      > seen
                      > > > this kind of
                      > > > > damage/alteration before.
                      > > > >
                      > > > > --- In errorcoininformatio nexchange@
                      > yahoogroups.
                      > > > com, "Bill
                      > > > Snyder"
                      > > > > <billsnyder2000@ ...> wrote:
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > I've just put a picture of an India coin
                      > with
                      > > > diamond (or square)
                      > > > > > pattern in the default album.
                      > > > > > Is this the same pattern you are discussing?
                      > > > > >
                      > > > > > Bill
                      > > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > >
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