22918Re: 1959-D Wheat Reverse Cent
- Jun 2 4:38 PMFred,
I am certainly glad to hear a highly respected expert finally tell the truth about the Secret Service and the U.S. Treasury Dept. I have known this personally from contacting them numerous times concerning counterfeits, and the comments received during my conversation with them. Since the Chinese are producing extremely high quality counterfeit reproductions, I will never purchase a high dollar certified error coin unless it has been examined by trusted professionals as yourself or Mike Diamond.
--- In firstname.lastname@example.org, fred_weinberg <no_reply@...> wrote:
> I don't believe the Secret Service would care
> one iota if the coin were somehow 'proven' to
> be fake in the future.
> To the SS, and the Treasury Dept., it's simply
> a non-precious metal collectable coin, not like
> counterfeit paper money, or a large quantity of
> fake dollars, etc.
> Believe me, if the SS doesn't care about Chinese
> Counterfeits (and they don't, at this point), they
> have absolutely no interest in a copper cent of
> any type.
> They care about '33 Double Eagles, '64 Peace Dollars,
> maybe, maybe '74 Aluminum Cents, and any CURRENT
> problems at the Mints.....they don't care about
> San Francisco in the 60's/'70's, Denver in the '80's,
> and are no longer interested in what came out of
> Philly 10 years ago......
> --- In email@example.com, Steve Frank <taxi_steve929@> wrote:
> > Hi Fred,
> > You may be able to answer this. I can see this coin being sought after simply because it's now famous. Had it been thought genuine, it would have brought a lot more money. My opinion is the buyer is someone who wants a famous coin, one that is well written up, with the possiblity of a famous forger being the person responsible for it. I can see someone with too much money buying it. My question is...What happens if it is someday found to be a forgery?? Is the coin confiscated by the Secret Service?? I'd imagine a scenario of lawyers, judges, and a lot of press.
> > Â
> > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Steve
> > --- On Wed, 6/2/10, fred_weinberg <firstname.lastname@example.org> wrote:
> > From: fred_weinberg <email@example.com>
> > Subject: [Error Coin Information Exchange] Re: Anyone see the 1959-D Wheat that sold?
> > To: firstname.lastname@example.org
> > Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 10:44 AM
> > Â
> > The coin has almost 'perfect' smooth surfaces, no
> > metal flow, and it doesn't look right at all. It's
> > almost too perfect to the casual observer.
> > The Treasury/Secret service letter that said that
> > nothing could be found to say it was fake, was written
> > by a Secret Service agent in the currency division.
> > A coin like that is simply not found in a jar of coins.
> > You can make up any scenario you'd like to make the
> > coin end up in a jar, but given all of the facts of the
> > situation, I am of the strong opinion that it's not
> > a genuine US Mint product, in any way, shape or form.
> > And, as mentioned numerous times, there is NO grading or
> > authentication service that would certify it as genuine;
> > nor is there any individual numismatist who believes it's
> > genuine.
> > Fred
> > --- In email@example.com, "Mike Diamond" <mdia1@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Here's a longer thread about this coin on Collector's Universe:
> > >
> > > http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=774392&highlight_key=y&keyword1=1959
> > >
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