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  • brent ns
    Labour must fundamentally change to be re-elected and climate change could be the spur, minister says snip Mr Miliband sees the climate change issue as a way
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      Labour must fundamentally change to be re-elected and climate change could
      be the spur, minister says
      snip
      Mr Miliband sees the climate change issue as a way of reinvigorating the
      government and of reviving its radicalism
      snip
      Climate change is the mass-mobilising movement of our age
      snip
      Climate change is about social justice,
      http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,1969196,00.html


      Miliband is known for his political pedigree � his father was Ralph
      Miliband, a Marxist theoretician � and also for his attempts to inject new
      ideas into government.
      http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2070274,00.html

      Environmentalism: The Newest Religion
      Environmentalism is now well on its way to becoming the third great wave of
      the redemptive struggle in Western history, the first being Christianity,
      the second modern socialism ... the dream of a perfect physical environment
      has all the revolutionary potential that lay both in the Christian vision of
      mankind redeemed by Christ and in the Socialist, chiefly Marxian, prophecy
      of mankind free from social injustice."

      If one would seek evidence for this insight of Prof. Robert Nisbet
      (Prejudices, 1982) - that environmentalism has become an ideological and
      religious movement - look around.
      http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0335_Environmentalism.html

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    • papp20032000
      I do not quite well understand some Western English speaking guys, in the use of the word radical , to mean somebody or something negative. Let me quote the
      Message 2 of 8 , Dec 15, 2006
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        I do not quite well understand some Western English speaking guys, in
        the use of the word "radical", to mean somebody or something
        negative. Let me quote the Webster:

        Radical adj. [ME<LL radicalis < L radix (gen. radicis), ROOT1 a) of
        or from the root or roots; going to the foundation or source of
        something; fundamental; basic.

        The same applies to the word "fundamental" basically with a negative
        meaning: adj. [[LME <ML fundamentalis <L fundamentum: see prec.]] 1.
        of or forming a foundation or basis; basic; essential.

        What happens? Are you happy living in the surface and having a
        superficial life? Do you feel comfortably living and behaving in a
        non essential, non basic form, without solid foundations?

        Pedro from Madrid, trying to be, as much ass possible, radical and
        fundamentalist, as per the 1st meaning or sense of the Webster, not
        by the manger and trough media meaning.
        ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
        --- In energyresources@yahoogroups.com, "brent ns" <brent_ns@...>
        wrote:
        >
        > Labour must fundamentally change to be re-elected and climate
        change could
        > be the spur, minister says
        > snip
        > Mr Miliband sees the climate change issue as a way of
        reinvigorating the
        > government and of reviving its radicalism
        > snip
        > Climate change is the mass-mobilising movement of our age
        > snip
        > Climate change is about social justice,
        >
        http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,1969196,00.ht
        ml
        >
        >
        > Miliband is known for his political pedigree — his father was Ralph
        > Miliband, a Marxist theoretician — and also for his attempts to
        inject new
        > ideas into government.
        > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2070274,00.html
        >
        > Environmentalism: The Newest Religion
        > Environmentalism is now well on its way to becoming the third great
        wave of
        > the redemptive struggle in Western history, the first being
        Christianity,
        > the second modern socialism ... the dream of a perfect physical
        environment
        > has all the revolutionary potential that lay both in the Christian
        vision of
        > mankind redeemed by Christ and in the Socialist, chiefly Marxian,
        prophecy
        > of mankind free from social injustice."
        >
        > If one would seek evidence for this insight of Prof. Robert Nisbet
        > (Prejudices, 1982) - that environmentalism has become an
        ideological and
        > religious movement - look around.
        > http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0335_Environmentalism.html
        >
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      • Abernethy, Virginia Deane
        Pedro, tracing the meanings of liberal is still more confusing. It used to mean tolerant and generous [I think]. Then it came to mean support for a
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          Pedro, tracing the meanings of "liberal" is still more confusing. It
          used to mean tolerant and generous [I think]. Then it came to mean
          support for a government that takes money from one person to give it to
          someone else. Now, lots of people are afraid to use the word.
          V.

          -----Original Message-----
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          be more radical... UK



          I do not quite well understand some Western English speaking
          guys, in
          the use of the word "radical", to mean somebody or something
          negative. Let me quote the Webster:

          Radical adj. [ME<LL radicalis < L radix (gen. radicis), ROOT1 a)
          of
          or from the root or roots; going to the foundation or source of
          something; fundamental; basic.

          The same applies to the word "fundamental" basically with a
          negative
          meaning: adj. [[LME <ML fundamentalis <L fundamentum: see
          prec.]] 1.
          of or forming a foundation or basis; basic; essential.

          What happens? Are you happy living in the surface and having a
          superficial life? Do you feel comfortably living and behaving in
          a
          non essential, non basic form, without solid foundations?

          Pedro from Madrid, trying to be, as much ass possible, radical
          and
          fundamentalist, as per the 1st meaning or sense of the Webster,
          not
          by the manger and trough media meaning.
          ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
          --- In energyresources@yahoogroups.com
          <mailto:energyresources%40yahoogroups.com> , "brent ns" <brent_ns@...>
          wrote:
          >
          > Labour must fundamentally change to be re-elected and climate
          change could
          > be the spur, minister says
          > snip
          > Mr Miliband sees the climate change issue as a way of
          reinvigorating the
          > government and of reviving its radicalism
          > snip
          > Climate change is the mass-mobilising movement of our age
          > snip
          > Climate change is about social justice,
          >

          http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,1969196,00.ht
          <http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,1969196,00.ht>

          ml
          >
          >
          > Miliband is known for his political pedigree - his father was
          Ralph
          > Miliband, a Marxist theoretician - and also for his attempts
          to
          inject new
          > ideas into government.
          > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2070274,00.html
          <http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2070274,00.html>
          >
          > Environmentalism: The Newest Religion
          > Environmentalism is now well on its way to becoming the third
          great
          wave of
          > the redemptive struggle in Western history, the first being
          Christianity,
          > the second modern socialism ... the dream of a perfect
          physical
          environment
          > has all the revolutionary potential that lay both in the
          Christian
          vision of
          > mankind redeemed by Christ and in the Socialist, chiefly
          Marxian,
          prophecy
          > of mankind free from social injustice."
          >
          > If one would seek evidence for this insight of Prof. Robert
          Nisbet
          > (Prejudices, 1982) - that environmentalism has become an
          ideological and
          > religious movement - look around.
          >
          http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0335_Environmentalism.html
          <http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0335_Environmentalism.html>
          >
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        • brent_ns
          Hi Pedro, Notice that his aim to to have himself and his cronies in Power. To do that, politicians need to portray themselves as leaders in some great cause
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            Hi Pedro,

            Notice that his aim to to have himself and his
            cronies in Power.

            To do that, politicians need to portray themselves as
            "leaders in some great cause"

            Whatever the supposed "cause" of course need not bear
            any relation to reality, or be true

            All that matters is that they be believed so the
            Political Pied Pipers can remain in power
            So they need something Exciting(radical) rather than
            dull and boring, to capture the 'imagination" of the
            electorate


            Now the first thing to remember of course is Milibank
            is a politician.. "AND HIS LIPS ARE MOVING"
            http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig/felkins2.html

            And the second thing to rememeber is as follows

            Never forget that they lie
            snip
            It seems remarkable not how much journalists get
            wrong - a great deal - but that we are able to
            retrieve from the Whitehall swamp fragments of truth,
            and to present the waterlogged and bedraggled
            exhibits to readers and listeners.
            snip
            Yet over the years that followed, I came to believe
            that for working journalists the late Nicholas
            Tomalin's words, offered before I took off for
            Vietnam for the first time back in 1970, are more
            relevant: "they lie", he said. "Never forget that
            they lie, they lie, they lie."
            http://tinyurl.com/27dug

            cheers
            brent

            The urge to save humanity is almost always a false
            front for the urge to rule
            H.L. Mencken

            The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the
            populace alarmed, and hence clamorous to be led to
            safety, by menacing it with an endless series of
            hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.
            --H. L. Mencken


            --- In energyresources@yahoogroups.com,
            "papp20032000" <papp20032000@...> wrote:
            >
            > I do not quite well understand some Western English
            speaking guys, in
            > the use of the word "radical", to mean somebody or
            something
            > negative. Let me quote the Webster:
            >
            > Radical adj. [ME<LL radicalis < L radix (gen.
            radicis), ROOT1 a) of
            > or from the root or roots; going to the foundation
            or source of
            > something; fundamental; basic.
            >
            > The same applies to the word "fundamental"
            basically with a negative
            > meaning: adj. [[LME <ML fundamentalis <L
            fundamentum: see prec.]] 1.
            > of or forming a foundation or basis; basic;
            essential.
            >
            > What happens? Are you happy living in the surface
            and having a
            > superficial life? Do you feel comfortably living
            and behaving in a
            > non essential, non basic form, without solid
            foundations?
            >
            > Pedro from Madrid, trying to be, as much ass
            possible, radical and
            > fundamentalist, as per the 1st meaning or sense of
            the Webster, not
            > by the manger and trough media meaning.
            > ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
            > --- In energyresources@yahoogroups.com, "brent
            ns" <brent_ns@>
            > wrote:
            > >
            > > Labour must fundamentally change to be re-elected
            and climate
            > change could
            > > be the spur, minister says
            > > snip
            > > Mr Miliband sees the climate change issue as a
            way of
            > reinvigorating the
            > > government and of reviving its radicalism
            > > snip
            > > Climate change is the mass-mobilising movement of
            our age
            > > snip
            > > Climate change is about social justice,
            > >
            > http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/
            story/0,,1969196,00.ht
            > ml
            > >
            > >
            > > Miliband is known for his political pedigree —
            his father was Ralph
            > > Miliband, a Marxist theoretician — and also for
            his attempts to
            > inject new
            > > ideas into government.
            > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-
            2070274,00.html
            > >
            > > Environmentalism: The Newest Religion
            > > Environmentalism is now well on its way to
            becoming the third great
            > wave of
            > > the redemptive struggle in Western history, the
            first being
            > Christianity,
            > > the second modern socialism ... the dream of a
            perfect physical
            > environment
            > > has all the revolutionary potential that lay both
            in the Christian
            > vision of
            > > mankind redeemed by Christ and in the Socialist,
            chiefly Marxian,
            > prophecy
            > > of mankind free from social injustice."
            > >
            > > If one would seek evidence for this insight of
            Prof. Robert Nisbet
            > > (Prejudices, 1982) - that environmentalism has
            become an
            > ideological and
            > > religious movement - look around.
            > > http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/
            X0335_Environmentalism.html
            > >
            > >
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          • brent_ns
            ... change could ... reinvigorating the ... 0,,1969196,00.html ... Privatize the Amazon rainforest says UK minister mongabay.com October 1, 2006 At a summit
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              --- In energyresources@yahoogroups.com, "brent ns" <brent_ns@...>
              wrote:
              >
              > Labour must fundamentally change to be re-elected and climate
              change could
              > be the spur, minister says
              > snip
              > Mr Miliband sees the climate change issue as a way of
              reinvigorating the
              > government and of reviving its radicalism
              > snip
              > Climate change is the mass-mobilising movement of our age
              > snip
              > Climate change is about social justice,
              > http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/
              0,,1969196,00.html
              >

              Privatize the Amazon rainforest says UK minister
              mongabay.com
              October 1, 2006

              At a summit this week in Mexico, David Miliband, Britain's
              Environment Secretary, will propose a plan to "privatize" the Amazon
              to allow the world's largest rainforest to be bought by individuals
              and groups, according to a report in The Telegraph newspaper online.
              The scheme, which has been endorsed by Prime Minister Tony Blair,
              would seek to protect the region's biodiversity while mitigating
              greenhouse gas emissions to fight global warming.
              http://tinyurl.com/plxgy

              One wonders if those naively advocating in favour of "CO2 Markets"
              will ever wake up to the reality, that this will be a mechanism for
              privatizing the last remaining commons

              brent



              >
              > Miliband is known for his political pedigree — his father was Ralph
              > Miliband, a Marxist theoretician — and also for his attempts to
              inject new
              > ideas into government.
              > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2070274,00.html
              >
              > Environmentalism: The Newest Religion
              > Environmentalism is now well on its way to becoming the third great
              wave of
              > the redemptive struggle in Western history, the first being
              Christianity,
              > the second modern socialism ... the dream of a perfect physical
              environment
              > has all the revolutionary potential that lay both in the Christian
              vision of
              > mankind redeemed by Christ and in the Socialist, chiefly Marxian,
              prophecy
              > of mankind free from social injustice."
              >
              > If one would seek evidence for this insight of Prof. Robert Nisbet
              > (Prejudices, 1982) - that environmentalism has become an
              ideological and
              > religious movement - look around.
              > http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0335_Environmentalism.html
              >
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            • brent_ns
              ... ns ... and climate ... of ... our age ... story/ ... Britain s ... privatize the Amazon ... by individuals ... newspaper online. ...
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                --- In energyresources@yahoogroups.com,
                "brent_ns" <brent_ns@...> wrote:
                >
                > --- In energyresources@yahoogroups.com, "brent
                ns" <brent_ns@>
                > wrote:
                > >
                > > Labour must fundamentally change to be re-elected
                and climate
                > change could
                > > be the spur, minister says
                > > snip
                > > Mr Miliband sees the climate change issue as a way
                of
                > reinvigorating the
                > > government and of reviving its radicalism
                > > snip
                > > Climate change is the mass-mobilising movement of
                our age
                > > snip
                > > Climate change is about social justice,
                > > http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/
                story/
                > 0,,1969196,00.html
                > >
                >
                > Privatize the Amazon rainforest says UK minister
                > mongabay.com
                > October 1, 2006
                >
                > At a summit this week in Mexico, David Miliband,
                Britain's
                > Environment Secretary, will propose a plan to
                "privatize" the Amazon
                > to allow the world's largest rainforest to be bought
                by individuals
                > and groups, according to a report in The Telegraph
                newspaper online.
                > The scheme, which has been endorsed by Prime
                Minister Tony Blair,
                > would seek to protect the region's biodiversity
                while mitigating
                > greenhouse gas emissions to fight global warming.
                > http://tinyurl.com/plxgy
                >
                > One wonders if those naively advocating in favour of
                "CO2 Markets"
                > will ever wake up to the reality, that this will be
                a mechanism for
                > privatizing the last remaining commons
                >
                > brent
                >

                A few more links on this subject. Evidently Miliband
                made a miscalculation, and revealed something that
                that was not yet deemed opportune to "acknowledge
                publically", so his mandarins quickly went into
                "damage control".
                cheers
                brent


                Miliband promotes plan to buy rainforests
                tinyurl.com/s6nqs

                Brazil says no to rainforest privatization plan, asks
                Gore for help
                mongabay.com
                October 18, 2006
                news.mongabay.com/2006/1018-brazil.html

                Lula declared 59% of Brazilian territory privatizable
                March 6 2006
                www.po.org.ar/oien/2006/o...n06007.htm



                >
                >
                > >
                > > Miliband is known for his political pedigree — his
                father was Ralph
                > > Miliband, a Marxist theoretician — and also for
                his attempts to
                > inject new
                > > ideas into government.
                > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-
                2070274,00.html
                > >
                > > Environmentalism: The Newest Religion
                > > Environmentalism is now well on its way to
                becoming the third great
                > wave of
                > > the redemptive struggle in Western history, the
                first being
                > Christianity,
                > > the second modern socialism ... the dream of a
                perfect physical
                > environment
                > > has all the revolutionary potential that lay both
                in the Christian
                > vision of
                > > mankind redeemed by Christ and in the Socialist,
                chiefly Marxian,
                > prophecy
                > > of mankind free from social injustice."
                > >
                > > If one would seek evidence for this insight of
                Prof. Robert Nisbet
                > > (Prejudices, 1982) - that environmentalism has
                become an
                > ideological and
                > > religious movement - look around.
                > > http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/
                X0335_Environmentalism.html
                > >
                > >
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              • brent_ns
                ... Amazon ... Flying clouds the real climate culprit The aviation industry has become public enemy number one for environmental groups, says Martin Wright.
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                  --- In energyresources@yahoogroups.com, "brent_ns" <brent_ns@...>
                  wrote:
                  >
                  > --- In energyresources@yahoogroups.com, "brent ns" <brent_ns@>
                  > wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Labour must fundamentally change to be re-elected and climate
                  > change could
                  > > be the spur, minister says
                  > > snip
                  > > Mr Miliband sees the climate change issue as a way of
                  > reinvigorating the
                  > > government and of reviving its radicalism
                  > > snip
                  > > Climate change is the mass-mobilising movement of our age
                  > > snip
                  > > Climate change is about social justice,
                  > > http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/
                  > 0,,1969196,00.html
                  > >
                  >
                  > Privatize the Amazon rainforest says UK minister
                  > mongabay.com
                  > October 1, 2006
                  >
                  > At a summit this week in Mexico, David Miliband, Britain's
                  > Environment Secretary, will propose a plan to "privatize" the
                  Amazon
                  > to allow the world's largest rainforest to be bought by individuals
                  > and groups, according to a report in The Telegraph newspaper online.
                  > The scheme, which has been endorsed by Prime Minister Tony Blair,
                  > would seek to protect the region's biodiversity while mitigating
                  > greenhouse gas emissions to fight global warming.
                  > http://tinyurl.com/plxgy
                  >
                  > One wonders if those naively advocating in favour of "CO2 Markets"
                  > will ever wake up to the reality, that this will be a mechanism for
                  > privatizing the last remaining commons
                  >
                  > brent
                  >

                  Flying clouds the real climate culprit

                  The aviation industry has become public enemy number one for
                  environmental groups, says Martin Wright. But, he argues in this
                  week's Green Room, they should focus their efforts on "the real
                  elephant in the room" - forest destruction.
                  snip


                  And as emissions trading takes off, so the carbon price will rise.
                  One estimate puts the value of greenhouse gas storage in some forests
                  at a healthy $2,200 (£1,100) per hectare.

                  And it's that which is pricking the interest of the financial
                  markets. Invest in a forest now, and you can expect its value to
                  appreciate substantially over the years - especially since, after the
                  recent UN climate conference in Bali, forest owners can expect to
                  "sell" their benefits on the emerging global carbon markets.

                  All of a sudden, it opens up the prospect of massive investments from
                  pension funds, drawn to the long-term security which standing forests
                  can provide.
                  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7201114.stm

                  Keep Flying... just privatize the forests as offset ::((






                  >
                  >
                  > >
                  > > Miliband is known for his political pedigree — his father was
                  Ralph
                  > > Miliband, a Marxist theoretician — and also for his attempts to
                  > inject new
                  > > ideas into government.
                  > > http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2070274,00.html
                  > >
                  > > Environmentalism: The Newest Religion
                  > > Environmentalism is now well on its way to becoming the third
                  great
                  > wave of
                  > > the redemptive struggle in Western history, the first being
                  > Christianity,
                  > > the second modern socialism ... the dream of a perfect physical
                  > environment
                  > > has all the revolutionary potential that lay both in the
                  Christian
                  > vision of
                  > > mankind redeemed by Christ and in the Socialist, chiefly Marxian,
                  > prophecy
                  > > of mankind free from social injustice."
                  > >
                  > > If one would seek evidence for this insight of Prof. Robert
                  Nisbet
                  > > (Prejudices, 1982) - that environmentalism has become an
                  > ideological and
                  > > religious movement - look around.
                  > > http://www.forerunner.com/forerunner/X0335_Environmentalism.html
                  > >
                  > > _________________________________________________________________
                  > > Off to school, going on a trip, or moving? Windows Live (MSN)
                  > Messenger lets
                  > > you stay in touch with friends and family wherever you go. Click
                  > here to
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                • Pedro Prieto
                  ... forests ... the ... from ... forests ... As skies are not yet totally privatized, I was wondering whether to sue the Civil Aviation organization and the
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                    > Flying clouds the real climate culprit
                    >
                    > The aviation industry has become public enemy number one for
                    > environmental groups, says Martin Wright. But, he argues in this
                    > week's Green Room, they should focus their efforts on "the real
                    > elephant in the room" - forest destruction.
                    > snip
                    >
                    >
                    > And as emissions trading takes off, so the carbon price will rise.
                    > One estimate puts the value of greenhouse gas storage in some
                    forests
                    > at a healthy $2,200 (£1,100) per hectare.
                    >
                    > And it's that which is pricking the interest of the financial
                    > markets. Invest in a forest now, and you can expect its value to
                    > appreciate substantially over the years - especially since, after
                    the
                    > recent UN climate conference in Bali, forest owners can expect to
                    > "sell" their benefits on the emerging global carbon markets.
                    >
                    > All of a sudden, it opens up the prospect of massive investments
                    from
                    > pension funds, drawn to the long-term security which standing
                    forests
                    > can provide.
                    > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7201114.stm
                    >
                    > Keep Flying... just privatize the forests as offset ::((
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                    As skies are not yet totally privatized, I was wondering whether to
                    sue the Civil Aviation organization and the concerned airlines
                    altogether in a package. It happens that I run a 1 MW solar PV plant
                    in Western Spain, who should be producing an average of 2.2 MkWh per
                    year.

                    I have observed that the flying routes to Canary Islands, part of
                    Portugal and South America from most Europe, are crossing through the
                    sun beams to my PV plant.

                    The jet streams are so numerous, specially in the very clear skies
                    days of calmed winter, when they fix better on the air, that they
                    form a disperse but very real and measurable cloud.

                    I have taken preliminary measurements of irradiance with a
                    pyranometer and the effect may reach between 1 and 3 percent of the
                    solar radiation.

                    I will take a homologated and certified periheliometer and would
                    analyze the differences when a given stream intersects the sun beams
                    from when the beams are going straight to the modules. I will make a
                    overall analysis of all intersections, measured under control of a
                    notary public.

                    And then, I will sue the airlines for depriving me from that 1 to 3%
                    of the due natural radiation, to which I am entitled (we are all
                    entitled) and for the loss of revenue (between 10 and 30,000 €/year
                    (between 14 and 43,000US$/year), plus, of course, the judicial costs
                    incurred in.

                    I was joking...although the consequential damages are certain.

                    Pedro from Madrid
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