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  • Robert S.
    Hi everyone, I am a new member to the list and have enjoyed reading the archives. I was wondering if there are altneratives to CNVC that give out the
    Message 1 of 8 , May 27, 2008
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      Hi everyone,

      I am a new member to the list and have enjoyed reading the archives. I
      was wondering if there are altneratives to CNVC that give out the
      certifcation label for trainers? Here in NYC the local NVC group does
      that but it seems like a long and expensive process. I like the
      concept of self-certification but I have concerns in using the title
      because I think others may find it deceptive if I say certified and not
      self-certified.

      Robert
    • bob gailer
      ... How about we form a mutual certification society ? -- Bob Gailer 919-636-4239 Chapel Hill, NC
      Message 2 of 8 , May 27, 2008
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        Robert S. wrote:
        > Hi everyone,
        >
        > I am a new member to the list and have enjoyed reading the archives. I
        > was wondering if there are altneratives to CNVC that give out the
        > certifcation label for trainers?

        How about we form a "mutual certification society"?


        --
        Bob Gailer
        919-636-4239 Chapel Hill, NC
      • Robert
        Bob: I would be interested in this approach and I think it is a great way to address the issue. I will e-mail you (and anyone else that is interested) off
        Message 3 of 8 , May 28, 2008
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          Bob:
           
          I would be interested in this approach and I think it is a great way to address the issue.  I will e-mail you (and anyone else that is interested) off list to discuss it further.
           
          Robert

          bob gailer <bgailer@...> wrote:
          Robert S. wrote:
          > Hi everyone,
          >
          > I am a new member to the list and have enjoyed reading the archives. I
          > was wondering if there are altneratives to CNVC that give out the
          > certifcation label for trainers?

          How about we form a "mutual certification society"?

          --
          Bob Gailer
          919-636-4239 Chapel Hill, NC


        • Conal Elliott
          Hi Robert, Here are some ideas: Get together a group of local people who attend each other s trainings to give live and written feedback. Within your new
          Message 4 of 8 , May 28, 2008
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            Hi Robert,

            Here are some ideas:

            Get together a group of local people who attend each other's trainings to give live and written feedback.  Within your new group, resist the temptation to use *any* kind of labels to distinguish one person's credibility or status from another.  ("In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few" - Shunryu Suzuki.)  If you are going to use words like "trainer", use them in the giraffe sense of "one who trains", not the jackal sense of "one who is approved to train".

            Come up with a name for your new organization (or disorganization) that captures the spirit of what you want to see, perhaps in a subtle contrast to what you see in groups like CNVC and NYCNVC.  Believe in what you're making, and choose a name that reflects your own confidence and respect.

            Notice and breathe through the inner voices that say you have to get some other authority's approval in order to be legitimate.  Remind yourself that so-called authorities are as welcome as any and may have helpful feedback to share, even through their own filters.

            Read and reflect on the Carl Rogers article, found earlier in this discussion group, about certification.

            Turn the top-down quality-control paradigm on its head.  Have "certification" (feedback) flow from your students & clients, since they are better qualified than anyone to assess the effectiveness of your teaching.

            If you haven't already, read through posts in the blog and the discussion group called "NVC Evolves", where you may find some inspiration, encouragement, and clarity to help with your new creation.

              http://evolve.awakeningcompassion.com
              http://groups.google.com/group/nvc-evolves

            I may not have answered your question as concretely as you'd like.  We can certainly get more concrete.  Meanwhile, I'd love to hear your gut responses to what I've shared so far.

              - Conal


            On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Robert S. <robertnyc777@...> wrote:
            Hi everyone,

            I am a new member to the list and have enjoyed reading the archives.  I
            was wondering if there are altneratives to CNVC that give out the
            certifcation label for trainers?  Here in NYC the local NVC group does
            that but it seems like a long and expensive process.  I like the
            concept of self-certification but I have concerns in using the title
            because I think others may find it deceptive if I say certified and not
            self-certified.

            Robert


          • Bhupinder Gill
            Hi I myself really enjoy this approach. I have received evaluations where participants over the last 2 years have indicated that they learned and enjoyed
            Message 5 of 8 , May 28, 2008
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              Hi
              I myself really enjoy this approach.  I have received evaluations where participants over the last 2 years have indicated that they  learned and enjoyed from my teachings and yet, I am not sure that, I "am ready for certification...." or that anyone else would evaluate me for the "formal certification," papers.  I am not always enjoying the teachings and attitudes of all the formally certified trainers that I have met as they have not always met my needs.  I guess we are just all human at the end of the day....
              Bhupinder

              Conal Elliott <conal@...> wrote:
              Hi Robert,

              Here are some ideas:

              Get together a group of local people who attend each other's trainings to give live and written feedback.  Within your new group, resist the temptation to use *any* kind of labels to distinguish one person's credibility or status from another.  ("In the beginner's mind there are many possibilities, but in the expert's there are few" - Shunryu Suzuki.)  If you are going to use words like "trainer", use them in the giraffe sense of "one who trains", not the jackal sense of "one who is approved to train".

              Come up with a name for your new organization (or disorganization) that captures the spirit of what you want to see, perhaps in a subtle contrast to what you see in groups like CNVC and NYCNVC.  Believe in what you're making, and choose a name that reflects your own confidence and respect.

              Notice and breathe through the inner voices that say you have to get some other authority's approval in order to be legitimate.  Remind yourself that so-called authorities are as welcome as any and may have helpful feedback to share, even through their own filters.

              Read and reflect on the Carl Rogers article, found earlier in this discussion group, about certification.

              Turn the top-down quality-control paradigm on its head.  Have "certification" (feedback) flow from your students & clients, since they are better qualified than anyone to assess the effectiveness of your teaching.

              If you haven't already, read through posts in the blog and the discussion group called "NVC Evolves", where you may find some inspiration, encouragement, and clarity to help with your new creation.

                http://evolve. awakeningcompass ion.com
                http://groups. google.com/ group/nvc- evolves

              I may not have answered your question as concretely as you'd like.  We can certainly get more concrete.  Meanwhile, I'd love to hear your gut responses to what I've shared so far.

                - Conal


              On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 4:22 PM, Robert S. <robertnyc777@ yahoo.com> wrote:
              Hi everyone,

              I am a new member to the list and have enjoyed reading the archives.  I
              was wondering if there are altneratives to CNVC that give out the
              certifcation label for trainers?  Here in NYC the local NVC group does
              that but it seems like a long and expensive process.  I like the
              concept of self-certification but I have concerns in using the title
              because I think others may find it deceptive if I say certified and not
              self-certified.

              Robert



            • Conal Elliott
              Hi Bhupinder, Whether or not you think you re ready, you have already received certification! In your case, your students did the certifying, via their
              Message 6 of 8 , May 28, 2008
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                Hi Bhupinder,

                Whether or not you think you're ready, you have already received certification!  In your case, your students did the certifying, via their evaluations.  That kind of bottom-up certification (attestation) is much more meaningful to me than a top-down system, which is based more on abstractions and the past than on the living, breathing present.

                In making decisions, I like to measure what I care about.  Bottom-up assessment & certification (flowing from students & clients) measure how effectively I'm helping people enjoy life.

                  - Conal

                On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 8:16 AM, Bhupinder Gill <bhupindergll@...> wrote:
                Hi
                I myself really enjoy this approach.  I have received evaluations where participants over the last 2 years have indicated that they  learned and enjoyed from my teachings and yet, I am not sure that, I "am ready for certification...." or that anyone else would evaluate me for the "formal certification," papers.  I am not always enjoying the teachings and attitudes of all the formally certified trainers that I have met as they have not always met my needs.  I guess we are just all human at the end of the day....
                Bhupinder

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