Re: How Did JRRT Write Tengwar?
- --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, Melroch 'Aestan <melroch@m...>
> Kyrmse skrev:I remember seeing this scene in a documentary (I believe it was used
> > I have just uploaded a file to the Elfscript group. It is called
> > J.R.R.Tolkien Writing Tengwar.pdf and describes a scene where
> > JRRT is
> > shown, pen in hand, inscribing a book with the famous "Elen
> > síla...".
> > I would very much appreciate fedback from the group on this, and
> > also
> > would like to know whether this file is available in uncorrupted
> > form.
> > The one I have is deteriorated after a certain point - luckily
> > after
> > JRRT writes, and speaks, beginning at a point where Tom Shippey
> > makes a comment.
in several documentaries), but with Tolkien continuing to
write 'omentielvo', then realises he has forgotten 'lúmenn'', and
writes it above, with a pothook to indicate it ought to go
between 'síla' and 'omentielvo'. (I don't actually know whether he
actually spelled 'lúmenn' omentielvo', I seem to recollect that there
was a difference).
I also recollect the interuption by Tom Shippey, I believe the scene
went on after that.
> > On the soundtrack JRRT is heard saying: "Languages have aLetter nr 165 puts it: "that my work is all of a piece, and
> > flavour to me, which are - I never understand people saying [...]
> > this
> > is awfully dry [...] because a new language to me is just, is just
> > like a new wine, or some new sweetmeat or something. The first
> > [...]
> > to invent languages - about when I was thirteen or fourteen, I
> > never
> > stopped, really."
> > Comments? Feedback? Thank you!
> Most people -- as in most lit.crits. -- never seem to grasp
> that "the whole thing was linguistic in inspiration"...
_fundamentally linguistic_ in inspiration".
- On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 01:03:20 -0000, mithrennaith
> I remember seeing this scene in a documentary (I believe it was usedYes, that sounds like the same documentary that I have on VHS (a copy,
> in several documentaries), but with Tolkien continuing to
> write 'omentielvo', then realises he has forgotten 'lúmenn'', and
> writes it above, with a pothook to indicate it ought to go
> between 'síla' and 'omentielvo'. (I don't actually know whether he
> actually spelled 'lúmenn' omentielvo', I seem to recollect that there
> was a difference).
> I also recollect the interuption by Tom Shippey, I believe the scene
> went on after that.
possibly of a copy, of a recording of the documentary when it aired on
swedish television, in 1992 I think.)
After the interruption (not of Shippey, but Christopher), he continues
writing the following tengwar in the following order (with strokes in the
"natural" order and direction, unless otherwise noted): long carrier,
u-tehta (from the bottom up!), malta, anto (in one stroke), i-tehta,
e-tehta over malta, fixing up serif on anto, short carrier, i-tehta,
lambe, vala, o-tehta (from the bottom up), then hastier above siila:
lambe, double u-tehta (bottom up), malta, nuumen, e-tehta over malta.
During this he speaks: "What I do now is to, trying write, in Elvish -
[but you see,?] my writing is very inferior to the elves' - a standard
greeting [on a?] meeting: A star shines upon our meeting. [Pause. Then
when writing the lambe of omentielvo:] O lord, I made a mistake in my
mind. [Pause.] And that's, stands for "elen sila luumen omentielvo". A
very simple and rather beautiful language [I think?]."
I don't think we are dealing with a different orthography here - he simply
makes a lot of mistakes. That of luumen is of course the most striking,
but he also mixes up the dot and the stroke for e, and so also mixes up
nuumen and malta. Also note the absens of the doubling under-stroke in
luumen (in error or not).
-- Johan Winge
- mithrennaith skrev:
>>Most people -- as in most lit.crits. -- never seem to graspIt seems I can't trust my ol' memory at all any more.
>>that "the whole thing was linguistic in inspiration"...
> Letter nr 165 puts it: "that my work is all of a piece, and
> _fundamentally linguistic_ in inspiration".
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