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Anduuril - Inscription on the blade

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  • erufailon2000
    Aiya Quendi! I am a newbie to this group - I do belong to the Elfling list and was referred here because they specialise in the Languages and not in the
    Message 1 of 2 , Jan 27, 2004
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      Aiya Quendi!

      I am a newbie to this group - I do belong to the Elfling list and was
      referred here because they specialise in the Languages and not in the
      Scripts, whereas you do! Here is my question:

      Today I was looking at the different swords featured in the LOTR
      movies - as I am interested in buying one. In particular,
      Anduuril. I
      was looking at the inscription down the length of the blade and
      couldn't resist the temptation of deciphering the Cirth.

      The inscription reads:
      9@9R @v@lz 9kDRla l @x @cR0la l 6cela zazKlab azReS2c @8z@ l 6nal
      6bR9nRzb l0la
      using Dan Smith's Cirth fonts (if you have the font, just copy and
      paste into MS Word - Cirth Erebor)

      I am fully aware that the Inscription should read:
      anar
      nánie andúril i né narsil i macil elendilo lercuvanten i móli
      mordóreo
      isil
      except the inscription is not what is read.

      What is read is:
      dndr nánie dndúril I né narsil I macil elendilo lercuba nten i
      móli
      mordóreo
      ithil

      I wasn't sure if this is a genuine error of the person who
      engraved
      the sword or if it is just another mode that was used.

      Is the Cirth symbol 9 (on a QWERTY Keyboard) interchangeable with
      Cirth C(on a QWERTY Keyboard)? Likewise with Cirth 2 and 4 (on a
      QWERTY Keyboard)? And what about the space between "lercuba" and
      "nten" - it is Quenya and there should be no space.

      Am I the one at fault?

      Thanks in Advance for your help!
      Sean Robinson
    • Arden R. Smith
      ... No, these are (for the most part) errors made by the person who wrote the inscription. In the instance of using for , it would seem that the
      Message 2 of 2 , Jan 31, 2004
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        Sean Robinson wrote:

        >I am fully aware that the Inscription should read:
        >anar
        >nánie andúril i né narsil i macil elendilo lercuvanten i móli
        >mordóreo
        >isil
        >except the inscription is not what is read.
        >
        >What is read is:
        >dndr nánie dndúril I né narsil I macil elendilo lercuba nten i
        >móli
        >mordóreo
        >ithil
        >
        >I wasn't sure if this is a genuine error of the person who
        >engraved
        >the sword or if it is just another mode that was used.

        No, these are (for the most part) errors made by the person who wrote
        the inscription. In the instance of using <d> for <a>, it would seem
        that the inscriber was getting his runic alphabets confused: the <a>
        rune in the historical Germanic futhark has the same shape as the <d>
        in the Angerthas.

        The use of <b> for <v> is also easily explained, these cirth being
        mirror-images of one another. I consider this an error, but it may
        have its origin in Tolkien's statement in Appendix E that /lv/ was
        often spelt using the letters <lb>. I have no explanation for the
        space before "nten", however.

        The one justifiable discrepancy is in the spelling of _isil_ as
        <ithil>. This accords with the practice of writing etymological
        spellings in the tengwar. Since the <s> of _isil_ derives from older
        <th>, it is spelt in tengwar using thúle (súle) rather than silme.
        Thus saith Appendix E, but Tolkien's actual practice is to use silme
        (and silme nuquerna) even where etymology would dictate the use of
        thúle.

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        Arden R. Smith erilaz@...

        Perilme metto aimaktur perperienta.
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