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Re: Ómatehtar & Sindarin again

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  • Benct Philip Jonsson
    ... I agree. When I write Sindarin with tehtar (or rather taith :-) I use the following tengwar for the second part of diphthongs: -e Yanta -i Anna
    Message 1 of 4 , Oct 7, 2003
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      At 09:44 5.10.2003, elfscript@yahoogroups.com wrote:
      >Message: 2
      > Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2003 02:53:46 +0200
      > From: Mach Hezan <machhezan@...>
      >Subject: Re: Ómatehtar & Sindarin again
      >
      >Lucy wrote (concerning an unattested Sindarin ómatehtar mode that uses
      >calmatéma for velars):
      >
      > > I am still wavering about the diphthongs. Some of you advanced say
      > > they are treated as two separate vowels in Tengwar but I have a
      > > different feeling. I think that the diphthongs of KL III are used
      > > also in the tehta mode for Sindarin
      >
      >I share that different feeling: I think that most tengwar modes represent
      >diphthongs as one tengwa + tehta (no matter whether it's a tehtar mode or a
      >full writing mode), though there are some modes that don't. The modes that
      >don't represent diphthongs with one tengwa + tehta are mostly full writing
      >modes. As far as I know, there's no tehtar mode that would represent
      >diphthongs with two tehtar throughout.

      I agree. When I write Sindarin with tehtar (or rather taith :-)
      I use the following tengwar for the second part of diphthongs:

      -e Yanta
      -i Anna
      -u Úre

      And then Anna with two dots below for initial _i_ before a vowel
      and for _i_ between two vowels.


      /BP 8^)
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    • Benct Philip Jonsson
      ... Because it meets my eye and my phonological feeling better. /BP 8^) -- B.Philip Jonsson mailto:melrochX@melroch.se (delete X)
      Message 2 of 4 , Oct 9, 2003
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        >
        > > And then Anna with two dots below for initial _i_ before a vowel
        > > and for _i_ between two vowels.

        >suilaid
        >Mach

        Because it meets my eye and my phonological feeling better.

        /BP 8^)
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      • Calwen Rudh
        ... vowel ... Are you using a)just calmatema or b)just quessetema or c)both in this mode of yours? I d like to know. Thanks, Lucy
        Message 3 of 4 , Oct 13, 2003
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          --- In elfscript@yahoogroups.com, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@m...>
          wrote:
          >
          > >
          > > > And then Anna with two dots below for initial _i_ before a
          vowel
          > > > and for _i_ between two vowels.
          >
          > >suilaid
          > >Mach
          >
          > Because it meets my eye and my phonological feeling better.
          >
          > /BP 8^)

          Are you using a)just calmatema or b)just quessetema or c)both in
          this mode of yours? I'd like to know.

          Thanks,
          Lucy
        • Benct Philip Jonsson
          ... Both, in different functions. Essentially it is just the mode of Beleriand with oomatehtar :-) Look at ! ... No
          Message 4 of 4 , Oct 15, 2003
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            >Message: 2
            > Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2003 19:17:45 -0000
            > From: "Calwen Rudh" <calwen.rudh@...>
            >Subject: Re: Ómatehtar & Sindarin again
            >
            >--- In elfscript@yahoogroups.com, Benct Philip Jonsson <bpj@m...>
            >wrote:
            > > >
            > > > > And then Anna with two dots below for initial _i_ before a
            >
            >vowel
            >
            > > > > and for _i_ between two vowels.
            > >
            > > >suilaid
            > > >Mach
            > >
            > > Because it meets my eye and my phonological feeling better.
            > >
            > > /BP 8^)
            >
            >Are you using a)just calmatema or b)just quessetema or c)both in
            >this mode of yours? I'd like to know.

            Both, in different functions.
            Essentially it is just the mode of Beleriand with oomatehtar :-)
            Look at <http://www.melroch.se/tengwar/index.html>!

            >Thanks,
            >Lucy

            No big deal. That page has long needed a workover.


            /BP 8^)
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            / / / / / \ / /Melroch\ \_/ // / / // / / /
            / /___/ /_ / /\ \ / /'Aestan ~\_ // /__/ // /__/ /
            /_________//_/ \_\/ /Eowine __ / / \___/\_\\___/\_\
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