Re: [elfscript] Tehtarin mode for Sindarin
- View SourceMåns Björkman wrote:
>No, but it's possible they would refrain from making an ómatehta-mode forI would expect the people of that opinion, whoever they were, to be
>Sindarin. According to "From Quendi and Eldar, Appendix D" (Vinyar Tengwar
>#39), someone -- and the context strongly suggests the Noldor -- thought
>"the diacritic method of indicating vowels was inconvenient" for Sindarin
accustomed to writing Sindarin with Cirth, and hence to full writing of
vowels. In any case the debate whether an ómatehta mode be suitable for
Sindarin or not is likely to have been going on mainly among
Lambengolmor. Non-experts, whether Ñoldor or Sindar, are likely to have
based their preferences on more practical considerations, like what kind of
writing they were used to before or what fitted into the space
available. The bottom line is of course that the debate on what kind of
mode be most suitable for Sindarin was going on in JRRT's head, but we can
rest assured that if different choices were available in Elvish society
usage would vary. After all standardization as we know it is a modern
thing, and a rather Saurondic one at that!
>>* I have myself for several years been using such a mode. It uses the sameYes, I think the usage of the double-dot for Sindarin _y_ is a Gondorean or
>>vowel tehtar as Quenya, plus reverse u-curl for _y_.
>Any particular reason you don't use the diaeresis (¨) for _y_?
Westron practice, reflecting the merger of _y_ with _i_ in the
pronunciation of Third Age Dúnedain. Both in Sindarin and in Germanic
languages /y/ is a mutation of /u/, and I feel that its orthography should
reflect this fact.
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- View SourceBP Jonsson wrote:
>Certainly. The connection with the Cirth seems a plausible one, although
> Måns Björkman wrote:
> >No, but it's possible they would refrain from making an ómatehta-mode for
> >Sindarin. According to "From Quendi and Eldar, Appendix D" (Vinyar Tengwar
> >#39), someone -- and the context strongly suggests the Noldor -- thought
> >"the diacritic method of indicating vowels was inconvenient" for Sindarin
> >(p. 8).
> I would expect the people of that opinion, whoever they were, to be
> accustomed to writing Sindarin with Cirth, and hence to full writing of
> vowels. In any case the debate whether an ómatehta mode be suitable for
> Sindarin or not is likely to have been going on mainly among
> Lambengolmor. [...]
I get the feeling there was some stronger motivation behind this feeling
of "inconvenience". But I never meant that people in general would
refrain from using an ómatehta-mode for Sindarin, just that the some (I
still hold the Noldor to be the prime suspects) would refrain from
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