Vanyarin and Curls
- View SourceIn Quenya mode, how should one represent certain Vanyarin variants?
For the use of 'th' I simply use "súlë." The problem is when I need
to represent 'z.' Would it be best to use "esse" to represent
Vanyarin 'z?' That was my original idea, considering that this had
the original value of 'z,' but became 'r' in Exilic Quenya and then
the letter was used for 'ss' later on.
Also, I have a query about curls used in representing the
combinations cs (x), ps, and ts. I use them in Tengwar in a word
such as 'axo (bone)' when there is no consonant after, only a tehta
to represent the vowel. My question is whether one should use curls
to represent those combinations in words such as 'axan (rule, law)'
in which a consonant appears after the combination and proceeding
vowel. Is it better not to use them for aesthetic reasons? Is it
simply a matter of taste? Are there any attested examples where
Tolkien prefers one way over the other?
Thank you all in advance for your assistance.
P.S. The word 'axo' I spell in a Tengwar font (Dan Smith fonts) as
`CaY| . I spell 'axan' as `CaE|5 with the curl, or `CaiE5 without
it. Thought you might want those quickly if you do a comparison.
- View Sourceteithant John
> In Quenya mode, how should one represent certainyou are right.. those changes occured only in Exilic
> Vanyarin variants?
> For the use of 'th' I simply use "sϊlλ." The
> problem is when I need
> to represent 'z.' Would it be best to use "esse" to
> Vanyarin 'z?' That was my original idea,
> considering that this had
> the original value of 'z,' but became 'r' in Exilic
> Quenya and then
> the letter was used for 'ss' later on.
Noldorin.. to write Vanyarin you must go some steps
> Also, I have a query about curls used innope.. the curls are used for those clusters in
> representing the
> combinations cs (x), ps, and ts. I use them in
> Tengwar in a word
> such as 'axo (bone)' when there is no consonant
> after, only a tehta
> to represent the vowel. My question is whether one
> should use curls
> to represent those combinations in words such as
> 'axan (rule, law)'
> in which a consonant appears after the combination
> and proceeding
> vowel. Is it better not to use them for aesthetic
> reasons? Is it
> simply a matter of taste? Are there any attested
> examples where
> Tolkien prefers one way over the other?
general, i find no reason for exceptions.. if you find
that the curl classes with the next tengwa, just write
a different variant of it
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- View SourceAbout the s-curls:
I guess that in Quenya s-curls are always added at the same side of the tel=
where the lúva is (i.e. at the right side for tinco and parma téma, and at =
side for calma and quesse téma), but this assumption is rather based on the=
evidence of English modes:
The Brogan Tengwa-greetings (DTS 10) show two times the word
"explanations" (first in a 'Traditional Spelling' 'general use' [i.e. tehta=
then in a 'Traditional Spelling' 'full writing' mode). Both instances have =
transcript to quesse + s-curl added to the lúva at the left side of the tel=
But there are also numerous samples which show both calma- and
quessetéma tengwar with the s-curl added at the right, i.e. not to the lúva=
only to the telco. But I think that this use is specific to the English mod=
phonemic and orthographic) in order to represent the very frequent final -s=
-'s) of English inflection (plural, genitiv, 3rd person). These modes even =
the s-curl added to lambe or to the short carrier.
In the English modes, there are even some cases where the s-curl bears a
tehta, but again always in final position.