Re: vala or vilya
- Danny teithant:
> Okay "w" in Quenya is easy. Vilya is the only candidate; vala is 'v',I think we don't have to remain uncertain but to a certain degree.
> úre is 'u' in diphthongs. In Sindarin, however, things are impossible
> to say with such certainty. AFAIK, the only examples of Sindarin 'w'
> written in tengwar by J R R Tolkien are 'thiw' in the Moria gate
> inscription and 'Gwirith' and 'edwen' in the King's Letter. For
> 'thiw' vilya must be used; vala is used for 'm' and úre is used for
> 'u' in the mode of Beleriand. There are three different 'facsimiles'
> of the King's Letter written in two different modes. In the words
> 'Gwirith' an 'edwen' the w is represented by the reversed tilde tehta
> in all three versions. How independent 'w' is represented is anyone's
> guess. Most are of the opinion that vala is used, but that can't be
> stated as gospel truth. Unfortunately, we don't have an attested
> example of the Sindarin diphthong 'au/aw' either. In the full writing
> modes it's obviously the Sindarin 'a' tengwa with the reversed tilde
> tehta over it, but in the tehta modes opinions vary as to whether
> it's represented by the 'a' tehta over vilya or the 'a' tehta over
> úre. Until we see more examples of Sindarin tengwar manuscripts
> written by JRRT, we must remain uncertain.
> Cuio mae, Danny.
Checking out the existing material we can come up with reasonable
suppositions. This way won't lead us to the one and only truth, but to
guesses we can work with, and definitly these guesses are NOT
arbitrary. That's all the same as in science.
You've written "most are of the opinion that vala is used". That's a
good supposition because it fits in the parmateema and because it's as
in the Quenya mode. I agree on it for Sindarin modes which use the
quesse teema for velars (k, g, kh, ...).
In the Moria gate inscription mode, vilya has to be used for the 'w'
There's no need for uure in any Sindarin mode, even though it IS needed
in the Quenya mode. Of course it might turn out to be used nontheless,
but as long as this hasn't happend, we should reduce our guesses to the
minimum possible, i.e. we shouldn't use any non attested sign but the
ones we can't work without. And it's no problem at all to write any
Sindarin mode without using uure.
- Are there any other persons who have designed their own tengwar mode so
that every tengwar bears a tehtar? For esthetical reasons of personal
taste, I've done so, and I'd like to change out opinions about problems
coming up with such a mode.