738Re: Sindarin Collective Number
- Mar 27, 2002On 3/26/02 10:59 PM, "Danny Andriës" <tegilbor@...> wrote:
> Teithant CF Hostetter:I'll bear that in mind should I ever want to compare you personally with
>> "Danny Andriës" wrote
>>> Teithant bassman0614:
>>>> In the collective "number" of Sindarin nouns, is the corresponding verb
>>>> singular or plural?
>>> the jury is still out concerning this one!
>> Only if (like David Salo) you throw out Tolkien's own statement on the
> Any comparison of me to Mr. Salo is unfair;
David Salo. Which I certainly was not doing here. This was a general
>> Hence nouns in _-ath_ are at least sometimes still singular, as originally,No, he asked (see above) "In the collective "number" of Sindarin nouns, is
>> but in many cases, in particular in names of peoples, they are plural.
> "Yes and no" ... how very Elvish of you! Sure, we know that collectives
> referring to peoples take a plural verb, but what about 'i elenath', 'i
> 'aladhath', etc.? How do we know which are regarded as singular and which as
> plural? Bassman asked for a'definitive' answer.
the corresponding verb singular or plural?" The definitive answer to _this_
question is that it is sometimes singular, as originally, but now
(apparently) usually plural, especially in the names of peoples.
> I don't view 'sometimes' as being definitive, and my reply to him reflectedThe fact that the answer is neither "yes" nor "no" does not make the answer
> this belief.
any less definitive.
> Who knows which collective nouns are still counted as singular?Only Tolkien would be able to answer this for any given noun.
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