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  • petite_gavroche49
    Aug 28, 2008
      Thanks a lot, guys, you've been very helpful :)

      About the "strenght" - this first meaning of "túre" is more or less
      what I was aiming for ;)

      gavroche

      --- In elfscript@yahoogroups.com, "Mans Bjorkman" <at@...> wrote:
      >
      > I agree that the first version is best. However, note that _túre_
      > primarily means "mastery, victory" (only Tolkien's earliest 'drafts'
      > of Quenya provide the meaning "strength"). A better word might be
      > _tuo_, translated as "vigour, physical strength".
      >
      > Yours,
      > Måns
      >
      >
      > --- In elfscript@yahoogroups.com, "Ariel Barton" <origamist@> wrote:
      > >
      > > The first one says "nóle ar túre". It's written in a sort of
      archaic
      > > spelling --- Feanor would definitely spell it that way, but in
      > Feanor's day,
      > > nóle and númen started with different consonants. By the Third
      Age, most
      > > Elves pronounced nóle and númen as starting with the same sound.
      > >
      > > Somewhere Tolkien said that words like nóle (which used to start
      > with a ng
      > > instead of an n) should be spelled with tengwa 19, as you have it.
      > However,
      > > it was pretty common, when he was writing Tengwar, to ignore this
      > sort of
      > > rule. So you could also spell it with a tengwa 17 (númen) instead
      of the
      > > tengwa 19 (noldo) that you have.
      > >
      > > The second one says "ngwóle ar túre". I have no idea where that
      came
      > from.
      > >
      > > I'm not going to comment on the translation of nóle ar túre,
      because
      > while I
      > > know a fair amount about Tengwar, I don't know much about Quenya.
      > You might
      > > check the Quenya wordlists at
      > http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/wordlists.htm.
      > >
      > > (By the way, I don't know how your browser will mangle this email,
      > but ó is
      > > meant to be o-with-acute-accent, ú is meant to be
      > u-with-acute-accent. The
      > > final es might be spelled e-with-two-overdots in the Quenya
      > wordlist. Don't
      > > worry about the overdots.)
      > >
      > > -Ariel
      > >
      > > On 8/28/08, petite_gavroche49 <petite_gavroche@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hiya, i was wondering if anyone can help me - I'd like to get a
      Quenya
      > > > tattoo soon and as much as I am an addicted Tolkien fan and
      reader,
      > > > unfortunately I'm not very language-wise... Anyway, these are
      the two
      > > > ideas I came up with:
      > > >
      > > > http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/petite_gavroche/quen1.jpg
      > > > http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f229/petite_gavroche/quen.jpg
      > > >
      > > > It's supposed to be "wisdom & strenght". Can anyone tell me
      which one
      > > > is "proper"? Or if they're both wrong and suggest how to do it
      > instead?
      > > > I'd be very grateful for any help, cos I can't wait to get the
      tat :)
      > > >
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