58Re: [elfscript] Return of the ElfScribes
- Sep 18, 2000Angasule wrote (>) in reply to me (> >):
> > The only tables with Cirth -- as Tolkien finally conceived them -- areLisa Star has pointed out that she uses the runes in TI for the
> > in The Return of the King, appendix E. The tables in _TI_ shows some
> > earlier sketches on the same system, but they are very dissimilar from
> > the final result.
> Ah, I always found it rather confusing there, maybe I should return to
> it, I unfortunately lent my copy of The Lord of the Rings (yes, stupid
> thing to do, I know!!!), so I'll have to wait.
languages in Tolkien's creation that are contemporary with them. That is
fine, of course, and illustrates that one can perceive the subcreation
in two different ways: either as multiple layers of writings from
different periods of Tolkien's life, where each layer is worth studying
in its own right; or as a single, unified body of divergent texts --
where newer texts contradict with older ones, they are usually closer to
the "truth". Both views must be held equally valid, though I confess
myself to the latter.
> > Appendix E claims that "Among the Eldar the Alphabet of Daeron did notHere is the reference. _The War of the Jewels_, "The Grey Annals" §31:
> > develop true cursive forms", but leaves it open if it did among the
> > Dwarves of Moria. Somewhere (I don't have the reference at hand) it says
> > that Certhas Daeron was used to record the wars with Morgoth, most
> > likely in the Grey Annals.
"Of the long years of peace that followed after the coming of Denethor
there is little tale; for though in this time Dairon the minstrel, it is
said, who was the chief loremaster of the kingdom of Thingol, deviced
his Runes*, [_added later in margin_: Cirth] they were little used by
the Sindar for the keeping of records, until the days of the War [...]"
The footnote reads: "* These, it is said, he contrived first ere the
building of Menegroth, and after bettered them. The Naugrim, indeed,
that came to Thingol learned the Runes of Dairon, and were well-pleased
with the device, esteeming Dairon's skill higher than did the Sindar,
his own folk; and by the Naugrim they [_later_ > the Cirth] were taken
east over the mountains and passed into the knowledge of many peoples."
> Yes, probably the dwarves, then, although I don't recall the book ofCorrect; the Book of Mazarbul contains regular, "straight" runes. The
> Mazarbul as having cursive certar? (I only gave a short look to it, with
> orcs and the balrog behind me! [aka store clerks closing down!])
only "cursive" runes of Tolkien I'm aware of are in the tables in TI, in
I assume it was _Pictures by J.R.R. Tolkien_ you looked in? If so, you
really should get hold of it, since it is no longer in print! (_Artist
and Illustrator_ only contains one of the pages, and a sketch of
> > There is no Swedish Tolkien Society, but several regional societies.They all linked from the homepage of the Forodrim
> > Gothenburg has a society called Mithlond, the society of Malmö is called
> > Angmar, Uppsala has Cerin Erain (actually a fief of the Forodrim) etc.
> I'd be interested in the way they work (statutes and all), I'll look
> for them next time I'm online.
(http://www.forodrim.org), though Cerin Erain has no home page.
The reason for my haste last time was that I was on my way to a
fall-celebration in Mithlond (Gothenburg is a six-hour drive away from
Stockholm). These last four days I have feasted together with people
from all the societies mentioned above, as well as from the Danish
society Bri (danicised form of Bree) and the Norwegian Arthedain. All in
all, about 110 people. It was great fun!
Suilaid an Seryn Tîw a Cirth,
Måns Björkman "Mun þu mik!
Störtloppsvägen 8, III Man þik.
SE-129 46 Hägersten Un þu mer!
Sweden An þer."
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