5277Re: Large vowel systems (was: Last Name Translation Help?)
- Apr 9, 2006Melroch 'Aestan wrote:
> Since back vowels tend to get more rounded theThat also sounds reasonable.
> higher they are it might be a good idea to use
> (( = /o/ and ( = /O/: doubling would then indicate
> relatively greater rounding. That way you can still
> -- tenuously -- preserve consistency in the use of
> the doubling modification.
> Also should it come to expressing my native dialectThat's a pretty system! What is /9-/?
> there would be three extra vowel phonemes to consider.
> I would express these like this:
> i /i/ = . y /y/ = .. u /u\/ = (( o /u/ = ))
> e /e/ = / ö /2/ = // û /8/ = ( å /o/ = )
> ä /E/ = \
> â /a/ = v /ô/ /9-/ = \\ a /A/ = ^
> (I'm anyway ignoring the fact that long /A/ is [Q:]!Is consonant gemination considered to be mere consonant length in
> Length is not phonemic in Swedish, the rule basically
> being that a stressed vowel is long if not followed
> by a consonant cluster or a geminate consonant. Still
> people tend to hear phonetic vowel length better than
> phonetic consonant length, so the question about length
> is a bit vexed both in phonology and in Tengwar writing...)
Swedish phonology? Traditionally, the Alemannic consonant length is
considered to be a secondary feature of the fortis-lenis opposition,
but it is debated whether there are other features to that opposition.
> AFAIK the useIt's attested in DTS 10, after all one of the two major English tehtar
> of . for _i_ and / for _e_ is a CJRT usage,
> If having to distinguish two levels of i-vowelsI prefer to keep the attested symmetry between unrounded front vowel =
> I'd prefer using the caret tehta for /Y/ and double
> it (vertically) for /y/ -- and of course . = /I/
> and .. = /i/.
. and corresponding rounded front vowel = ..
> in a language like Icelandic, where olderWouldn't the usual (and attested) distinction between a phonemic and
> /Q/ has become /9/, you almost have to use the W-tehta for
> that phoneme, if you are going to use the same mode for both
> the old and the new language (which anyway is possible only
> because the orthography is archaizing...)
an orthographic mode work for Icelandic as well (the latter allowing a
fair representation of Old Icelandic) and make the use of the modified
left curl dispensable?
> Do you have any particularThat's the reason.
> reason for choosing the analysis /wj/ over /jw/? I guess it
> would matter only word-initially. My hunch is that initial /j/
> is much more common than initial /w/ in French (I can only really
> think of _oui_) but I guess that whatever you use for initial /w/
> with a .. below looks better than Anna with a W-tehta above.
> What do you use for initial /w/ BTW. I guess Úre or Vala.Úre is not attested for initial /w/ in tehtar modes, but only as a
"reading direction inverter" (as in Quenya). So I'd certainly use vala.
j. 'mach' wust
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