5090Re: Happy New Year Elf Script v3
- Dec 31, 2005David "Daeron" Finnamore wrote:
> OK, v3 is up but I forgot to check "send message." It's at
First of all, what I'm most uncomfortable with is that you still are
using yanta and úre for following -i/-y and -u/-w, while Tolkien has
used anna and vala.
> I stuck w Kyrmse's vowel system, including for the indefiniteI really don't think that your transcription is more traditional
> article. Even though it's now more traditional spelling than
spelling. The difference between phonemic and traditional spelling is
after all in the representation of the vowels, whereas the
representation of the consonants is more or less the same in either
mode (except for instance the silent "gh"). Now you have represented
the word "may" all phonemically as if it were "mej", that is to say,
no "a" at all, but rather according to pronunciation with "ej", just
as J. R. R. Tolkien did in his phonemic transcription of the word
"praise" which he transcribed as "prejz".
> I followed your example, j. mach (is that what I shouldsure
> call you?),
> and dropped the under dots for following silent e's....
> That makes more sense when the rest of your vowels lie on following
> consonants, I think. I added an under dot for the "er" in greater,
> deciding that that was closer to Kyrmse's meaning for situations
> like that (than a long carrier carrying nothing preceding óre).
Actually, I think that J. R. R. Tolkien used óre rather like a vowel
letter, that is to say, with no preceding vowel tehta at all,
especially no dots underneath. In the unstressed word "for", he used
no tehta at all. Consequently, the unstressed syllable "er" within the
word "greater" wouldn't require any vowel tehta (dot below) either.
> Again, because this is traditional English spelling mode, I kept the...
> w (vilya instead of úre now) in "write" to distinguish it from
> "right" and "rite." I dropped the silent "gh" but I wonder now
> whether they should be kept to distinguish "right" from "rite."
Since I rather think, because of the vowel representations you've
chosen, that this is a phonemic spelling mode and not a traditional
spelling mode, I'd rather recommend you note to write any "w" in
"write" since you don't pronounce it different from "rite" (ore "right").
> The dbl under dots in the word "new" were a revelation. I knew...
> something should indicate the "y" sound that trained English
> speakers put in "new" (most Americans pronounce "new" and "gnu" the
> same) but I didn't know what.
This is a difference between dialects of English. I consider (but this
is only my personal opinion!) that you don't need to put any "j" where
you don't pronounce them. My own pronunciation of English is rather
influenced by the British pronunciation (since I live in Europe), so
I'd put a "j" in my phonemic transcription of "njuu", but since you
seem to live in the States and consequently don't pronounce any "j" in
your pronunciation of "nuu" I think it's all right if you don't use
any dots below; be aware that this is only my personal opinion; I know
neither of any Tolkien texts this could be based on nor of any Tolkien
texts that would prove this wrong; we just can't decide.
j. 'mach' wust
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