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2788Re: Sindarin past-tense from TIR- (was Re: [elfscript] December 16th Movie Trilogy (Help!))

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  • Carl F. Hostetter
    Oct 15, 2003
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      On Oct 15, 2003, at 1:24 PM, eruvande81 wrote:

      > So what do we think the final translation should be? (Thanks so much
      > for all of your help.)

      You could opt to follow the sole certain, attested example we have in
      Sindarin of a past-tense verb with 1st sg. subject: _Im ... echant_ 'I
      ... made'. Even if this is regarded as a specifically emphatic
      formation, such would not be entirely inappropriate to the phrase being
      translated. So: *_Im tiriant_ 'I watched' (which has the further
      advantage of using the only attested form of a Noldorin pa.t. verb
      derived from TIR-).

      Personally, though, I wouldn't use a derivative of TIR-: consider
      Tolkien's note re: the root _ken-_ 'see, perceive, note', specifically
      on its derivative: "_kenda-_ intensive watch, sc. not 'guard' but
      observe for some time (to gain information etc.). Often used for
      'reading'" (_Vinyar Tengwar_ 41 p. 5). This very strongly argues that N
      _tiri-_/_tiria-_ *'watch, guard' would _not_ be used of such activity
      as watching a movie or play (the desired sense), but rather a cognate
      of _kenda-_; so perhaps *_Im cennant_ 'I watched'?

      Carl F. Hostetter Aelfwine@... http://www.elvish.org

      ho bios brachys, he de techne makre.
      Ars longa, vita brevis.
      The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.
      "I wish life was not so short," he thought. "Languages take such
      a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about."
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