2783Sindarin past-tense from TIR- (was Re: [elfscript] December 16th Movie Trilogy (Help!))
- Oct 14, 2003On Oct 14, 2003, at 8:18 PM, Helge K. Fauskanger wrote:
> Possibly, "I watched" should be *_tirnin_ rather than *_tirnen_ (andThere is no evidence supporting any of these three proposed past-tense
> conceivably there are yet other possibilities...*_idiren_, anyone?)
formations for Sindarin.
The Noldorin singular past tense form of the verb _tiri-_/_tiria-_ is
given as the weak formation _tiriant_ (_Etymologies_ s.v. TIR-). From
this we can see that the Noldorin pa.t. form was built directly on the
stem _tiri-_/_tiria-_. So, if Noldorin forms are to be taken as
supplying otherwise unattested Sindarin forms, the first-person
singular pa.t. form of this verb in Sindarin would presumably be
*_tirin_ or *_tirion_ (cf. _linnon_ 'I sing', III:354; _linnathon_ 'I
will sing' and _nallon_ 'I cry', R:72; where the element _-on_ of these
1st sg. forms is presumably derived from earlier *_â-n-_, with S _o_ <
earlier long *_â_).
Helge's proposal *_tirnin_ appears to assume a weak pa.t. stem
*_tirn-_, which he presumably has isolated from the Noldorin name
_Dalath Dirnen_ 'Guarded Plain' (_Etymologies_ s.v. TIR-). But note
that this Noldorin name appears in the same source, indeed in the same
entry, as the only attested Noldorin pa.t. form of the verb, _tiriant_.
Thus, contrary to supporting a theory that the pa.t. stem of the verb
derived from TIR- is the unattested *_tirn_, the underlying pp.
*_tirnen_ 'guarded' must be explained in relation to the attested,
coexistent stems _tiri-__tiria-_ and pa.t. form _tiriant_. The pp.
*_tirnen_ is thus perhaps to be understood as derived by syncope from
*_tiri-nen_, again suggesting a Noldorin 1st sg. pa.t. form *_tirin_.
Helge's other proposal, *_idiren_, presumably is formed on analogy with
S _agor_ (XI:415), which Tolkien derives from primitive *_akâra_ (the
circumflex here represents a macron in the published text) and
describes as characterized by "the 'augment', or reduplicated
base-vowel, and the long stem-vowel" (thus explaining the appearance of
S _o_ for earlier long *_â_; note too the apparent stem-vowel *_-a_,
_not_ *_-e_). There is, of course, no evidence that any Sindarin verb
derived from TIR- employs this pa.t. formation; but I would point out
that if this formation mechanism is to be applied, the result is not
Helge's *_idire-_, but instead *_idíra-_ < *_itîra_.
Carl F. Hostetter Aelfwine@... http://www.elvish.org
ho bios brachys, he de techne makre.
Ars longa, vita brevis.
The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne.
"I wish life was not so short," he thought. "Languages take such
a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about."
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