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  • Thorsten Renk
    ... Hm, sadly the message has indeed not been posted. No doubt the official reason is that it s off topic - which is certainly not the real reasons, as plenty
    Message 1 of 5 , Jan 27, 2011
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      > Unsurprisingly, your goodbye message was not allowed to pass (unless the
      > moderator is still considering it - I would not hold my breath).
      >
      > As a person who holds an interest in the historical sociology of elven
      > linguistics (or is just curious), I would like to know why you left
      > Elfling. Could you post your goodbye message here instead? Maybe other
      > Elflingers would benefit from it as well.


      Hm, sadly the message has indeed not been posted. No doubt the official
      reason is that it's off topic - which is certainly not the real reasons,
      as plenty of off-topic messages do get posted. *sigh* Quite petty, really.

      So, the reason I left Elfling is that in recent years my family has grown,
      and I find myself with less and less spare time to pursue hobbies. At the
      same time, my interests are rather diverse, for example I have spent a lot
      of time last year to develop various techniques for 3-d rendering of
      clouds for an open source flight simulator (when I was younger, I was
      always disappointed in the quality of clouds in flight sims, so it's very
      exciting to be able to do it just as I want it to be...).

      I think that I now understand the outline of Tolkien's language invention
      and the flow of ideas. What's left is (at times rather tedious) work on
      the details, and I find it harder and harder to get myself into that kind
      of work. So I decided that for the mid-future I will pass on the torch - I
      plan to follow what will be going on, but I'll switch to a significantly
      less active role. That amounts to getting out of the (rather
      time-consuming) philosophy discussions on Elfling, discontinuing my work
      on grammar and rigorously declining to do any translations on request.

      The rest of my message was essentially thanks for good discussions, a
      (mostly) good working atmosphere and an apology for some past posts which
      I have come to realize were not appropriate.

      The bit with the good atmosphere is actually true (in case anyone is
      wondering) - I did enjoy the less scholary style of discussion in which
      ideas are simply tossed around, and I had many good inspirations and
      insights on Elfling. At the same time, I did not share the idea that
      banning half of the most knowledgeable Elvish scholars is a good idea, so
      I was also glad that there were other places to discuss.

      So, it's not primarily the Elfling moderation which prompted me to leave,
      but to a good degree it is the large amount of energy it costs to explain
      one's own position and ideas in the background of a conflict that has been
      going on even before I was ever interested in Elvish. I am passionate
      about non-scholarly aspects of Elvish as well - I just don't think
      confusing scholarly work and aesthetic invention is particularly smart, or
      that passing off one's own version of Elvish as the genuine Tolkien thing
      is honest - and I am just tired of explaining that the (subjective) 1000th
      time while carefully paying attention not to insult anyone who is
      dishonest in precisely that way (which was, I admit, often tempting).

      Best,

      * Thorsten
    • Rodrigo Jaroszewski
      You ll be missed. All the best for you and your family. And yes, those old clouds from way back were awful. :) Rodrigo Jaroszewski http://elfico.com.br ...
      Message 2 of 5 , Jan 27, 2011
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        You'll be missed. All the best for you and your family.

        And yes, those old clouds from way back were awful. :)


        Rodrigo Jaroszewski
        http://elfico.com.br


        On Thu, Jan 27, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Thorsten Renk <trenk@...> wrote:

        >
        > > Unsurprisingly, your goodbye message was not allowed to pass (unless the
        > > moderator is still considering it - I would not hold my breath).
        > >
        > > As a person who holds an interest in the historical sociology of elven
        > > linguistics (or is just curious), I would like to know why you left
        > > Elfling. Could you post your goodbye message here instead? Maybe other
        > > Elflingers would benefit from it as well.
        >
        >
        > Hm, sadly the message has indeed not been posted. No doubt the official
        > reason is that it's off topic - which is certainly not the real reasons,
        > as plenty of off-topic messages do get posted. *sigh* Quite petty, really.
        >
        > So, the reason I left Elfling is that in recent years my family has grown,
        > and I find myself with less and less spare time to pursue hobbies. At the
        > same time, my interests are rather diverse, for example I have spent a lot
        > of time last year to develop various techniques for 3-d rendering of
        > clouds for an open source flight simulator (when I was younger, I was
        > always disappointed in the quality of clouds in flight sims, so it's very
        > exciting to be able to do it just as I want it to be...).
        >
        > I think that I now understand the outline of Tolkien's language invention
        > and the flow of ideas. What's left is (at times rather tedious) work on
        > the details, and I find it harder and harder to get myself into that kind
        > of work. So I decided that for the mid-future I will pass on the torch - I
        > plan to follow what will be going on, but I'll switch to a significantly
        > less active role. That amounts to getting out of the (rather
        > time-consuming) philosophy discussions on Elfling, discontinuing my work
        > on grammar and rigorously declining to do any translations on request.
        >
        > The rest of my message was essentially thanks for good discussions, a
        > (mostly) good working atmosphere and an apology for some past posts which
        > I have come to realize were not appropriate.
        >
        > The bit with the good atmosphere is actually true (in case anyone is
        > wondering) - I did enjoy the less scholary style of discussion in which
        > ideas are simply tossed around, and I had many good inspirations and
        > insights on Elfling. At the same time, I did not share the idea that
        > banning half of the most knowledgeable Elvish scholars is a good idea, so
        > I was also glad that there were other places to discuss.
        >
        > So, it's not primarily the Elfling moderation which prompted me to leave,
        > but to a good degree it is the large amount of energy it costs to explain
        > one's own position and ideas in the background of a conflict that has been
        > going on even before I was ever interested in Elvish. I am passionate
        > about non-scholarly aspects of Elvish as well - I just don't think
        > confusing scholarly work and aesthetic invention is particularly smart, or
        > that passing off one's own version of Elvish as the genuine Tolkien thing
        > is honest - and I am just tired of explaining that the (subjective) 1000th
        > time while carefully paying attention not to insult anyone who is
        > dishonest in precisely that way (which was, I admit, often tempting).
        >
        > Best,
        >
        > * Thorsten
        >
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