Re: [elfling-d] On the moderation of Elfling
- Thanks for posting this here, Peter, and for your _very_ kind words.*
I debated commenting on Salo and Fauskanger's latest distortions, but
really, what could anyone else say that would more eloquently and
forcefully illustrate their intellectual and ethical bankruptcy than
their own words and actions? On the one hand the blatant hypocrisy
that you note, demonstrated further by the fact of Salo's
_specifically approving_ Fauskanger's umpteenth desperate dishonest
diatribe to the list (just check the full headers of Helge's message);
and on the other hand Salo's petty, self-serving cowardice in actually
_deleting_ your dissenting view.
* And especially for the needed modification at the end! I didn't
start the E.L.F., I didn't launch _VT_, I don't edit _Parma_, and I'm
not the chief editor of Tolkien's linguistic papers; I just do my
part. Mostly, I'm just the one tenacious/stupid enough to act as a
human target for the team, and for the fullness and reality of
Tolkien's linguistic inventions.
- I'm very sorry, Peter. The running of the "Elvish
Linguistics" list as David and Helge's personal
sandbox is an amazing display of petulant
childishness, which would be laughable if it
weren't also so contemptibly harmful to innocent
persons. David, Helge, and Lisa "Star" McBrierty
have conceived a slavering vendetta against Carl
and the ELF that extends to banning persons known
to be friendly with them, like me, or wo even
object to the routine slandering of them, like you.
I suggest you go to Lambengolmor instead, where
*real* Elvish is discussed, not pop-movie
--- In email@example.com,
"Peter" <pedelberg@...> wrote:
>but was deleted by list
> The below post was posted to Elfling yesterday
> owner David Salo. Just for the record it shouldappear here instead. I
> hadn't made a copy of it, but luckily I found itvia the Google cache.
> (Personal note: Next time, remember to save acopy of critical Elfling
> Re: "Fourth-age Quenya"
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "Helge K.
> <helge.fauskanger@> wrote:unimaginative
> > Of course, much of this monotonous mockery and
> ridicule originates from just two or threepersons, where one in
> particular seems to regard himself as theforemost guardian of Serious
> Scholarly Tolkien-linguistics (as opposed to thenon-serious hordes
> who spend all their time trying to figure outhow to say "I am cheese"
> in Elvish...that would be us here on Elfling, ofcourse).
> >(indeed that is what I
> > These ridiculers are generally easy to ignore
> do nearly all of the time), since all informedobservers will know
> that this is to a very large extent a questionof differing
> personalities and coliding philosophies (e.g.,should a
> Tolkien-linguist try to address what most peopleactually want to
> know, or should he dismiss most requests asbeing below his scholarly
> dignity and ascend his ivory tower to stay upthere, being no more
> willing to come down than Saruman was?)passages are allowed to be
> It is incomprehensible to me why the above
> posted to Elfling a few days after the listowner has declared "that
> direct insults are forbidden, and sarcasticasides that question other
> members' intelligence, sanity,competence,ethics, or good-will are
> possible grounds for returning a message". Ofcourse the person who
> the above post is directed against (Carl F.Hostetter), is not a list
> member because he was banned from Elfling, butdoes that really
> justify this kind of ridicule and distortion ofhis opinions?
>on Tolkien's languages
> Alas, those of us who has followed these forums
> for some time know that this is not news, but Iam still deeply
> offended by the sarcasm and false accusationsagainst a fellow Tolkien
> scholar.strongly suggest to read
> Those of you who a new to this discussion, I
> what Carl F. Hostetter has ACTUALLY writtenabout Tolkien scholarship
> - find it in the Elfling archives, on themailing-lists Elfling-d and
> Lambengolmor and on the website of the ElvishLinguistic Fellowship
> (E.L.F.)applaud next to
> You will find that if there is one man we should
> Christopher Tolkien for giving us Middle-earthin its own words it is
> the very person who is ritually ridiculed by afew Elfling members.
> Carl F. Hostetter. [NB: This is actually anunfair statement about the
> excellent group effort of the whole EditorialTeam - substitute
> "Editorial Team" for "Carl F. Hostetter". -Peter.]
> much too hasty,
> Peter Edelberg