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Re: VT 49: a review

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  • Carl F. Hostetter
    Re: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/34139 And so it comes to this. David They are the past, we are the future! Salo invokes the fictional
    Message 1 of 2 , Jun 27, 2007
      Re: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/34139

      And so it comes to this.

      David "They are the past, we are the future!" Salo invokes the
      fictional specter of people being forbidden to find fault with
      Tolkien's linguistic invention (where, one wonders, is this
      occurring? Salo of course will not say), in order to lay the
      groundwork for censoring people who dare to disagree with those who
      assert, assume, or demand that Quenya and Sindarin should be
      slavishly artificial, regular, and predictable and conform to their
      simplistic expectations, instead of being like real, natural
      languages as Tolkien intended.

      David has already stated that he knows Tolkien's languages better
      than Tolkien himself did. Helge clearly believes that he does, too:

      "_qui_ is 'infinitely' better than _ai_."

      "'strange' ideas about _-rya_"

      "hardly seems worth the trouble" (of the distinction between aorist
      'is' and the present-tense form)

      etc.

      (Where _were_ David and Helge when Tolkien needed them?)

      So it comes down to this:

      Do you want to know what Tolkien created his languages to be, and how
      they really are? Or do you want to know what David "bo Geven" Salo
      and Helge Fauskanger think Tolkien's languages _should_ have been,
      but aren't?

      Do you want to study _Tolkien's_ languages, or study Salorian and
      Helquenya?

      Do you want to know what Tolkien thought about his languages? Or do
      you want to be told by David and Helge what _you_ should think about
      his languages?

      Do you want to learn what languages _can_ be, or be told what
      languages _should_ be?

      Carl
    • Carl F. Hostetter
      I would also like to note that, while David mudant Salo of course means to imply that contributors to _Lambengolmor_ are forbidden to find fault with
      Message 2 of 2 , Jun 27, 2007
        I would also like to note that, while David "mudant" Salo of course
        means to imply that contributors to _Lambengolmor_ are forbidden to
        find fault with Tolkien's invention, that is not at all the case.
        Anyone is free to _present a case_ for an error or deficiency on
        Tolkien's part. (And _anyone_ is free to present a counter-case:
        unlike on Elfling.) What they are _not_ free to do is what David "bo
        Geven" Salo and Helge "-rye" Fauskanger do: simply assume and assert
        that Tolkien must have made a mistake or been dense simply because
        what he wrote doesn't conform to their expectations. The _real_
        difference between _Lambengolmor_ and Elfling is that _no one_ is
        allowed to simply assert a claim, but must provide _evidence_ and
        _reasoning_ for all claims. (Well, that, and that _no one_ is allowed
        to make personal attacks, whether they happen to be friends of the
        "moderator" or not.)

        Carl
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