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  • Ellen H. Brodsky
    Broward s Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf All Federal and FL State Law require
    Message 1 of 13 , Aug 23, 2010
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      Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.

      http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf

      All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22 months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before Election Day!


      Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications programmed by the Broward IT? 

      Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election. I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes cast on it. 

      I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an audit be performed.

      Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.

      These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early Voting were opened before they officially passed the test. 

      Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly beforehand.

      I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless. 

      In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They just do as they please, because they can get away with it. 

      However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24, regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen observers.

      Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
      Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.

      The following is some of my key observations.

      So far 23219  have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
      See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.

      Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010

      Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010. 

      These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting on 07/29/10. 

      Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.

      The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were working properly was on 8/4/10,
      Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially passed the test.

      But the big news of the voting blogs was:

      "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".

      A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:
       
      At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response), Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
        
      ...Unbelievable.

      Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?

      Ellen H. Brodsky
      Broward Election Reform Coalition
      ehbrod@...
      954-263-6032


    • Guitar Chris Brudy
      Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud? The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the election. It has been
      Message 2 of 13 , Aug 23, 2010
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        Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud?

        The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the election.  It has been proven, over and over, that nothing coming from the machines can be known to be accurate.

        After your arrest, isn't it important to note that no matter how we feel about bi-partisanship, that certain partisans, obviously those in the minority, will do anything they can to manipulate the vote?  It's they only way they can win.  It's the only way they can get the keys to the vault.  Their solution is to replace humans with machines.

        They will spend thousands of hours and thousands of pages of minutae to obfuscate the reality:  No One Knows Who Voted For Whom.  Nobody knows who got the most votes.  Not even the programmers, who deal in percentages.  The actual vote is unknown, and will remain that way, until we hand count the ballots.

        They don't care about non-partisanship except that it disarms the honest majority.  The people pushing the machines are as partisan as they can be.

        There are 700,00 more Democrats than Republicans in Florida.  How is it that the Republicans hold power?   It is blatantly simple.  They "count" the votes with their machines..

        It is far past time to abandon the entire fight against the machines. There is no need to compromise. We have a far better chance of salvaging our republic by not playing the game, and by advocating the hand counting of ballots in the precinct.

        Face it, we will never know if a vote count is accurate unless we actually count the votes.




        On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@...> wrote:
         

        Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.

        http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf

        All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22 months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before Election Day!


        Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications programmed by the Broward IT? 

        Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election. I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes cast on it. 

        I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an audit be performed.

        Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.

        These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early Voting were opened before they officially passed the test. 

        Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly beforehand.

        I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless. 

        In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They just do as they please, because they can get away with it. 

        However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24, regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen observers.

        Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
        Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.

        The following is some of my key observations.

        So far 23219  have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
        See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.

        Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010

        Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010. 

        These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting on 07/29/10. 

        Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.

        The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were working properly was on 8/4/10,
        Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially passed the test.

        But the big news of the voting blogs was:

        "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".

        A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:
         
        At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response), Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
          
        ...Unbelievable.

        Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?

        Ellen H. Brodsky
        Broward Election Reform Coalition
        954-263-6032





        --
        Christopher S. Brudy

        “..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth."  Gordon Duff
        "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb

      • gomarlinsgo
        I am willing to bet $10,000 that when we do a big L&A with a specific pattern, the machines do a better job than the hand counters. In 2008, my friends in
        Message 3 of 13 , Aug 24, 2010
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          I am willing to bet $10,000 that when we do a big L&A with a specific pattern, the machines do a better job than the hand counters. In 2008, my friends in Broward had a huge test deck that took several boxes to store and it came out with the same result before and after the election. There is no way your hand count can do the same. Put up the money or STFU. And I don't care who wins, I'm NPA, and have never, ever seen anyone fixing the vote. Show me the proof that nothing coming from the machines can be known to be accurate. I say your are full of it. And I would NEVER EVER let you count the ballots. It's obvious you have an agenda and would probably do anything to help your candidate win. I would not risk going to jail so some corrupt politician would win. The audits continually prove that the machines counted correctly, or within allowable percentages. Fact is, we would never know who won if we let Guitar Chris Brudy touch the ballots.


          --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@...> wrote:
          >
          > Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud?
          >
          > The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the
          > election. It has been proven, over and over, that nothing coming from the
          > machines can be known to be accurate.
          >
          > After your arrest, isn't it important to note that no matter how we feel
          > about bi-partisanship, that certain partisans, obviously those in the
          > minority, will do anything they can to manipulate the vote? It's they only
          > way they can win. It's the only way they can get the keys to the vault.
          > Their solution is to replace humans with machines.
          >
          > They will spend thousands of hours and thousands of pages of minutae to
          > obfuscate the reality: No One Knows Who Voted For Whom. Nobody knows who
          > got the most votes. Not even the programmers, who deal in percentages. The
          > actual vote is unknown, and will remain that way, until we hand count the
          > ballots.
          >
          > They don't care about non-partisanship except that it disarms the honest
          > majority. The people pushing the machines are as partisan as they can be.
          >
          > There are 700,00 more Democrats than Republicans in Florida. How is it that
          > the Republicans hold power? It is blatantly simple. They "count" the
          > votes with their machines..
          >
          > It is far past time to abandon the entire fight against the machines. There
          > is no need to compromise. We have a far better chance of salvaging our
          > republic by not playing the game, and by advocating the hand counting of
          > ballots in the precinct.
          >
          > Face it, we will never know if a vote count is accurate unless we actually
          > count the votes.
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@...> wrote:
          >
          > >
          > >
          > > Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.
          > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
          > >
          > > All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22
          > > months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before
          > > Election Day!
          > >
          > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917477&fbid=433828334586&id=740974586>
          > >
          > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917479&fbid=433828379586&id=740974586>
          > >
          > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917480&fbid=433828384586&id=740974586>
          > > Broward Disappearing Ink and Early Voting Security Integrity.<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf>
          > >
          > > Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications
          > > programmed by the Broward IT?
          > >
          > > Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's
          > > Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero
          > > poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are
          > > signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election.
          > > I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used
          > > and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if
          > > the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information
          > > on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes
          > > cast on it.
          > >
          > > I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in
          > > Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than
          > > early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the
          > > location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes
          > > to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an
          > > audit be performed.
          > >
          > > Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests
          > > which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and
          > > accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.
          > >
          > > These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in
          > > Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to
          > > demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and
          > > Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling
          > > Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before
          > > the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on
          > > August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines
          > > opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly
          > > performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite
          > > how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public
          > > voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early
          > > Voting were opened before they officially passed the test.
          > >
          > > Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at
          > > early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the
          > > machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not
          > > allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly
          > > beforehand.
          > >
          > > I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on
          > > these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure
          > > that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked
          > > to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual
          > > voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to
          > > place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy
          > > tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless.
          > >
          > > In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years
          > > ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for
          > > voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from
          > > the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They
          > > just do as they please, because they can get away with it.
          > >
          > > However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very
          > > cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out
          > > by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this
          > > election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for
          > > them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24,
          > > regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen
          > > observers.
          > >
          > > Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling
          > > Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
          > > Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and
          > > IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.
          > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
          > >
          > > The following is some of my key observations.
          > >
          > > So far *23219* have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
          > > See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.
          > > *Early Voting Turnout <http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3801>
          > > *
          > >
          > > Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010
          > >
          > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#%21/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album>
          > >
          > > Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010.
          > > http://www.browardsoe.org/content.aspx?id=152
          > >
          > > These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early
          > > voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting
          > > on 07/29/10.
          > >
          > > Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the
          > > election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.
          > >
          > > The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were
          > > working properly was on 8/4/10,
          > > Public Notice of L and A and Canvassing Board Meeting<http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3684>
          > > Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially
          > > passed the test.
          > >
          > > But the big news of the voting blogs was:
          > >
          > > "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".
          > >
          > > *A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:*
          > >
          > > At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with
          > > arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact
          > > the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response),
          > > Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda
          > > Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair
          > > ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
          > >
          > > *...Unbelievable.*
          > > *
          > > *
          > > *Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?*
          > > *
          > > *
          > > Ellen H. Brodsky
          > > Broward Election Reform Coalition
          > > ehbrod@...
          > > 954-263-6032
          > >
          > >
          > >
          > >
          >
          >
          >
          > --
          > Christopher S. Brudy
          >
          > "..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth." Gordon
          > Duff
          > "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb
          >
        • Mark Adams
          Anonymous gomarlinslingo: I m glad that I checked this email account today. I love to hear a true believer who has absolute faith in the numbers spewed out by
          Message 4 of 13 , Aug 24, 2010
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            Anonymous gomarlinslingo:
             
            I'm glad that I checked this email account today.  I love to hear a true believer who has absolute faith in the numbers spewed out by the computers. 
             
            Did you know that the computers count the votes in secret and that no one checks to make sure that the votes were counted accurately on election day?  Did you know that counting votes in secret is unconstitutional?
             
            I'm not surprised that you have never seen anyone fixing the vote count since no one can see a computer count, and almost no one has ever made an effort to see if the secret vote count was accurate.  
             
            To see some of the proof that we obtained in the 2006 election contests, check out the link in my article Why Does the Government Ignore Our Wishes? at http://dailycensored.com/2009/09/11/why-does-the-government-ignore-our-wishes/ and don’t miss my short speech.
             
            If you take a look, you’ll learn why those in power and those who can improperly influence them get away with violating our rights, stealing elections, abusing their power, and committing horrible crimes. My article on torture includes a link to the U.S. Supreme Court case which explains how one of our stolen rights makes the difference between justice and injustice, between freedom and slavery.
             
            By the way, secret vote counting is specifically prohibited by the constitutions of some of the original states as well as a couple of U.S. Supreme Court cases.  For example, see Virginia’s Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL?!?! at
            http://dailycensored.com/2009/11/03/virginia%e2%80%99s-elections-are-unconstitutional/
             
            Finally, paper ballots were counted in public to determine the winners in elections across America for a long time, and there were several instances were elections were rigged by those in control of the count.  However, the ballot boxes are supposed to be kept in public view until they are opened and the ballots are counted in public, and then, the results are supposed to be posted in public at each precinct so that they can be compared to the tally sheets at the SOE's office.  This makes it very hard to steal an election because it requires a large number of people to participate in the conspiracy.  This is why we know about these election thefts.  Yet, when the ballots are counted in secret on a computer and no one checks to make sure they were counted accurately on election day at the precincts, it only takes one programmer or hacker to steal an election.  This is why they get away with it so often.
             
            Are you still a true believer in secret vote counting?  If so, you probably will be happy to hear that Stalin liked it, too.
             
            Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
             
            P.S. Why are anonymous commenters allowed on this list?  I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others.   
             
             

            To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
            From: gomarlinsgo@...
            Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:59:11 +0000
            Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.

             
            I am willing to bet $10,000 that when we do a big L&A with a specific pattern, the machines do a better job than the hand counters. In 2008, my friends in Broward had a huge test deck that took several boxes to store and it came out with the same result before and after the election. There is no way your hand count can do the same. Put up the money or STFU. And I don't care who wins, I'm NPA, and have never, ever seen anyone fixing the vote. Show me the proof that nothing coming from the machines can be known to be accurate. I say your are full of it. And I would NEVER EVER let you count the ballots. It's obvious you have an agenda and would probably do anything to help your candidate win. I would not risk going to jail so some corrupt politician would win. The audits continually prove that the machines counted correctly, or within allowable percentages. Fact is, we would never know who won if we let Guitar Chris Brudy touch the ballots.


            --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@...> wrote:
            >
            > Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud?
            >
            > The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the
            > election. It has been proven, over and over, that nothing coming from the
            > machines can be known to be accurate.
            >
            > After your arrest, isn't it important to note that no matter how we feel
            > about bi-partisanship, that certain partisans, obviously those in the
            > minority, will do anything they can to manipulate the vote? It's they only
            > way they can win. It's the only way they can get the keys to the vault.
            > Their solution is to replace humans with machines.
            >
            > They will spend thousands of hours and thousands of pages of minutae to
            > obfuscate the reality: No One Knows Who Voted For Whom. Nobody knows who
            > got the most votes. Not even the programmers, who deal in percentages. The
            > actual vote is unknown, and will remain that way, until we hand count the
            > ballots.
            >
            > They don't care about non-partisanship except that it disarms the honest
            > majority. The people pushing the machines are as partisan as they can be.
            >
            > There are 700,00 more Democrats than Republicans in Florida. How is it that
            > the Republicans hold power? It is blatantly simple. They "count" the
            > votes with their machines..
            >
            > It is far past time to abandon the entire fight against the machines. There
            > is no need to compromise. We have a far better chance of salvaging our
            > republic by not playing the game, and by advocating the hand counting of
            > ballots in the precinct.
            >
            > Face it, we will never know if a vote count is accurate unless we actually
            > count the votes.
            >
            >
            >
            >
            > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@...> wrote:
            >
            > >
            > >
            > > Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.
            > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
            > >
            > > All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22
            > > months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before
            > > Election Day!
            > >
            > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917477&fbid=433828334586&id=740974586>
            > >
            > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917479&fbid=433828379586&id=740974586>
            > >
            > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917480&fbid=433828384586&id=740974586>
            > > Broward Disappearing Ink and Early Voting Security Integrity.<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf>
            > >
            > > Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications
            > > programmed by the Broward IT?
            > >
            > > Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's
            > > Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero
            > > poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are
            > > signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election.
            > > I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used
            > > and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if
            > > the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information
            > > on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes
            > > cast on it.
            > >
            > > I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in
            > > Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than
            > > early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the
            > > location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes
            > > to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an
            > > audit be performed.
            > >
            > > Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests
            > > which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and
            > > accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.
            > >
            > > These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in
            > > Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to
            > > demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and
            > > Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling
            > > Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before
            > > the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on
            > > August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines
            > > opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly
            > > performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite
            > > how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public
            > > voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early
            > > Voting were opened before they officially passed the test.
            > >
            > > Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at
            > > early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the
            > > machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not
            > > allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly
            > > beforehand.
            > >
            > > I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on
            > > these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure
            > > that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked
            > > to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual
            > > voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to
            > > place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy
            > > tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless.
            > >
            > > In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years
            > > ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for
            > > voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from
            > > the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They
            > > just do as they please, because they can get away with it.
            > >
            > > However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very
            > > cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out
            > > by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this
            > > election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for
            > > them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24,
            > > regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen
            > > observers.
            > >
            > > Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling
            > > Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
            > > Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and
            > > IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.
            > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
            > >
            > > The following is some of my key observations.
            > >
            > > So far *23219* have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
            > > See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.
            > > *Early Voting Turnout <http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3801>
            > > *
            > >
            > > Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010
            > >
            > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#%21/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album>
            > >
            > > Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010.
            > > http://www.browardsoe.org/content.aspx?id=152
            > >
            > > These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early
            > > voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting
            > > on 07/29/10.
            > >
            > > Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the
            > > election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.
            > >
            > > The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were
            > > working properly was on 8/4/10,
            > > Public Notice of L and A and Canvassing Board Meeting<http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3684>
            > > Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially
            > > passed the test.
            > >
            > > But the big news of the voting blogs was:
            > >
            > > "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".
            > >
            > > *A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:*
            > >
            > > At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with
            > > arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact
            > > the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response),
            > > Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda
            > > Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair
            > > ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
            > >
            > > *...Unbelievable.*
            > > *
            > > *
            > > *Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?*
            > > *
            > > *
            > > Ellen H. Brodsky
            > > Broward Election Reform Coalition
            > > ehbrod@...
            > > 954-263-6032
            > >
            > >
            > >
            > >
            >
            >
            >
            > --
            > Christopher S. Brudy
            >
            > "..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth." Gordon
            > Duff
            > "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb
            >


          • Ellen H. Brodsky
            We cannot always sing to the choir. A little red meat is good to recharge the batteries. Opposing viewpoints are important. The Moderator. ... From: Mark Adams
            Message 5 of 13 , Aug 24, 2010
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              We cannot always sing to the choir. A little red meat is good to recharge the batteries. Opposing viewpoints are important.

              The Moderator.

              --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...> wrote:

              From: Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...>
              Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
              To: "Election ReformYahoo" <electionreform@yahoogroups.com>
              Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 5:14 PM

               

              Anonymous gomarlinslingo:
               
              I'm glad that I checked this email account today.  I love to hear a true believer who has absolute faith in the numbers spewed out by the computers. 
               
              Did you know that the computers count the votes in secret and that no one checks to make sure that the votes were counted accurately on election day?  Did you know that counting votes in secret is unconstitutional?
               
              I'm not surprised that you have never seen anyone fixing the vote count since no one can see a computer count, and almost no one has ever made an effort to see if the secret vote count was accurate.  
               
              To see some of the proof that we obtained in the 2006 election contests, check out the link in my article Why Does the Government Ignore Our Wishes? at http://dailycensored.com/2009/09/11/why-does-the-government-ignore-our-wishes/ and don’t miss my short speech.
               
              If you take a look, you’ll learn why those in power and those who can improperly influence them get away with violating our rights, stealing elections, abusing their power, and committing horrible crimes. My article on torture includes a link to the U.S. Supreme Court case which explains how one of our stolen rights makes the difference between justice and injustice, between freedom and slavery.
               
              By the way, secret vote counting is specifically prohibited by the constitutions of some of the original states as well as a couple of U.S. Supreme Court cases.  For example, see Virginia’s Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL?!?! at
              http://dailycensored.com/2009/11/03/virginia%e2%80%99s-elections-are-unconstitutional/
               
              Finally, paper ballots were counted in public to determine the winners in elections across America for a long time, and there were several instances were elections were rigged by those in control of the count.  However, the ballot boxes are supposed to be kept in public view until they are opened and the ballots are counted in public, and then, the results are supposed to be posted in public at each precinct so that they can be compared to the tally sheets at the SOE's office.  This makes it very hard to steal an election because it requires a large number of people to participate in the conspiracy.  This is why we know about these election thefts.  Yet, when the ballots are counted in secret on a computer and no one checks to make sure they were counted accurately on election day at the precincts, it only takes one programmer or hacker to steal an election.  This is why they get away with it so often.
               
              Are you still a true believer in secret vote counting?  If so, you probably will be happy to hear that Stalin liked it, too.
               
              Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
               
              P.S. Why are anonymous commenters allowed on this list?  I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others.   
               
               


              To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
              From: gomarlinsgo@...
              Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:59:11 +0000
              Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.

               
              I am willing to bet $10,000 that when we do a big L&A with a specific pattern, the machines do a better job than the hand counters. In 2008, my friends in Broward had a huge test deck that took several boxes to store and it came out with the same result before and after the election. There is no way your hand count can do the same. Put up the money or STFU. And I don't care who wins, I'm NPA, and have never, ever seen anyone fixing the vote. Show me the proof that nothing coming from the machines can be known to be accurate. I say your are full of it. And I would NEVER EVER let you count the ballots. It's obvious you have an agenda and would probably do anything to help your candidate win. I would not risk going to jail so some corrupt politician would win. The audits continually prove that the machines counted correctly, or within allowable percentages. Fact is, we would never know who won if we let Guitar Chris Brudy touch the ballots.


              --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@...> wrote:
              >
              > Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud?
              >
              > The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the
              > election. It has been proven, over and over, that nothing coming from the
              > machines can be known to be accurate.
              >
              > After your arrest, isn't it important to note that no matter how we feel
              > about bi-partisanship, that certain partisans, obviously those in the
              > minority, will do anything they can to manipulate the vote? It's they only
              > way they can win. It's the only way they can get the keys to the vault.
              > Their solution is to replace humans with machines.
              >
              > They will spend thousands of hours and thousands of pages of minutae to
              > obfuscate the reality: No One Knows Who Voted For Whom. Nobody knows who
              > got the most votes. Not even the programmers, who deal in percentages. The
              > actual vote is unknown, and will remain that way, until we hand count the
              > ballots.
              >
              > They don't care about non-partisanship except that it disarms the honest
              > majority. The people pushing the machines are as partisan as they can be.
              >
              > There are 700,00 more Democrats than Republicans in Florida. How is it that
              > the Republicans hold power? It is blatantly simple. They "count" the
              > votes with their machines..
              >
              > It is far past time to abandon the entire fight against the machines. There
              > is no need to compromise. We have a far better chance of salvaging our
              > republic by not playing the game, and by advocating the hand counting of
              > ballots in the precinct.
              >
              > Face it, we will never know if a vote count is accurate unless we actually
              > count the votes.
              >
              >
              >
              >
              > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@...> wrote:
              >
              > >
              > >
              > > Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.
              > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
              > >
              > > All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22
              > > months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before
              > > Election Day!
              > >
              > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917477&fbid=433828334586&id=740974586>
              > >
              > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917479&fbid=433828379586&id=740974586>
              > >
              > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917480&fbid=433828384586&id=740974586>
              > > Broward Disappearing Ink and Early Voting Security Integrity.<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf>
              > >
              > > Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications
              > > programmed by the Broward IT?
              > >
              > > Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's
              > > Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero
              > > poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are
              > > signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election.
              > > I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used
              > > and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if
              > > the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information
              > > on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes
              > > cast on it.
              > >
              > > I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in
              > > Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than
              > > early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the
              > > location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes
              > > to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an
              > > audit be performed.
              > >
              > > Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests
              > > which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and
              > > accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.
              > >
              > > These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in
              > > Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to
              > > demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and
              > > Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling
              > > Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before
              > > the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on
              > > August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines
              > > opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly
              > > performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite
              > > how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public
              > > voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early
              > > Voting were opened before they officially passed the test.
              > >
              > > Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at
              > > early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the
              > > machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not
              > > allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly
              > > beforehand.
              > >
              > > I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on
              > > these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure
              > > that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked
              > > to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual
              > > voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to
              > > place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy
              > > tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless.
              > >
              > > In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years
              > > ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for
              > > voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from
              > > the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They
              > > just do as they please, because they can get away with it.
              > >
              > > However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very
              > > cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out
              > > by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this
              > > election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for
              > > them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24,
              > > regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen
              > > observers.
              > >
              > > Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling
              > > Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
              > > Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and
              > > IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.
              > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
              > >
              > > The following is some of my key observations.
              > >
              > > So far *23219* have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
              > > See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.
              > > *Early Voting Turnout <http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3801>
              > > *
              > >
              > > Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010
              > >
              > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#%21/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album>
              > >
              > > Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010.
              > > http://www.browardsoe.org/content.aspx?id=152
              > >
              > > These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early
              > > voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting
              > > on 07/29/10.
              > >
              > > Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the
              > > election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.
              > >
              > > The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were
              > > working properly was on 8/4/10,
              > > Public Notice of L and A and Canvassing Board Meeting<http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3684>
              > > Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially
              > > passed the test.
              > >
              > > But the big news of the voting blogs was:
              > >
              > > "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".
              > >
              > > *A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:*
              > >
              > > At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with
              > > arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact
              > > the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response),
              > > Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda
              > > Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair
              > > ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
              > >
              > > *...Unbelievable.*
              > > *
              > > *
              > > *Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?*
              > > *
              > > *
              > > Ellen H. Brodsky
              > > Broward Election Reform Coalition
              > > ehbrod@...
              > > 954-263-6032
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              > --
              > Christopher S. Brudy
              >
              > "..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth." Gordon
              > Duff
              > "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb
              >



            • Mark Adams
              Ellen: I agree, but as I said before, I m a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and
              Message 6 of 13 , Aug 25, 2010
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                Ellen:
                 
                I agree, but as I said before, "I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others." 
                 
                If someone wants to keep supporting secret vote counting, why don't they use their real name?  Are they afraid that their neighbors might find out that they want a voting system that would be envied by Stalin?   If so, perhaps they should think about their position before spouting it all the time and ridiculing others who just want the votes to be counted accurately. 
                 
                By the way, why is a secret vote counting proponent interested in this list anyway?  Are they just doing their job for the powers that be by keeping an eye on us and trying to undermine real reform efforts?
                 
                Come on, anonymous gomarlinslingo, give us a name to put with your advocacy for secret vote counting, and try to explain why a secret vote counting proponent should be on an election reform list.  When he, she or it fails to do so, why don't you bounce him, her or it from this list? 
                 
                Does anyone else want an anonymous true believer in secret vote counting to be bounced?  If so, chime in. 
                 
                Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
                 

                To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                From: ehbrod@...
                Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:44:33 -0700
                Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.

                 
                We cannot always sing to the choir. A little red meat is good to recharge the batteries. Opposing viewpoints are important.

                The Moderator.

                --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...> wrote:

                From: Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...>
                Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                To: "Election ReformYahoo" <electionreform@yahoogroups.com>
                Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 5:14 PM

                 

                Anonymous gomarlinslingo:
                 
                I'm glad that I checked this email account today.  I love to hear a true believer who has absolute faith in the numbers spewed out by the computers. 
                 
                Did you know that the computers count the votes in secret and that no one checks to make sure that the votes were counted accurately on election day?  Did you know that counting votes in secret is unconstitutional?
                 
                I'm not surprised that you have never seen anyone fixing the vote count since no one can see a computer count, and almost no one has ever made an effort to see if the secret vote count was accurate.  
                 
                To see some of the proof that we obtained in the 2006 election contests, check out the link in my article Why Does the Government Ignore Our Wishes? at http://dailycensored.com/2009/09/11/why-does-the-government-ignore-our-wishes/ and don’t miss my short speech.
                 
                If you take a look, you’ll learn why those in power and those who can improperly influence them get away with violating our rights, stealing elections, abusing their power, and committing horrible crimes. My article on torture includes a link to the U.S. Supreme Court case which explains how one of our stolen rights makes the difference between justice and injustice, between freedom and slavery.
                 
                By the way, secret vote counting is specifically prohibited by the constitutions of some of the original states as well as a couple of U.S. Supreme Court cases.  For example, see Virginia’s Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL?!?! at
                http://dailycensored.com/2009/11/03/virginia%e2%80%99s-elections-are-unconstitutional/
                 
                Finally, paper ballots were counted in public to determine the winners in elections across America for a long time, and there were several instances were elections were rigged by those in control of the count.  However, the ballot boxes are supposed to be kept in public view until they are opened and the ballots are counted in public, and then, the results are supposed to be posted in public at each precinct so that they can be compared to the tally sheets at the SOE's office.  This makes it very hard to steal an election because it requires a large number of people to participate in the conspiracy.  This is why we know about these election thefts.  Yet, when the ballots are counted in secret on a computer and no one checks to make sure they were counted accurately on election day at the precincts, it only takes one programmer or hacker to steal an election.  This is why they get away with it so often.
                 
                Are you still a true believer in secret vote counting?  If so, you probably will be happy to hear that Stalin liked it, too.
                 
                Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
                 
                P.S. Why are anonymous commenters allowed on this list?  I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others.   
                 
                 


                To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                From: gomarlinsgo@...
                Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:59:11 +0000
                Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.

                 
                I am willing to bet $10,000 that when we do a big L&A with a specific pattern, the machines do a better job than the hand counters. In 2008, my friends in Broward had a huge test deck that took several boxes to store and it came out with the same result before and after the election. There is no way your hand count can do the same. Put up the money or STFU. And I don't care who wins, I'm NPA, and have never, ever seen anyone fixing the vote. Show me the proof that nothing coming from the machines can be known to be accurate. I say your are full of it. And I would NEVER EVER let you count the ballots. It's obvious you have an agenda and would probably do anything to help your candidate win. I would not risk going to jail so some corrupt politician would win. The audits continually prove that the machines counted correctly, or within allowable percentages. Fact is, we would never know who won if we let Guitar Chris Brudy touch the ballots.


                --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@...> wrote:
                >
                > Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud?
                >
                > The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the
                > election. It has been proven, over and over, that nothing coming from the
                > machines can be known to be accurate.
                >
                > After your arrest, isn't it important to note that no matter how we feel
                > about bi-partisanship, that certain partisans, obviously those in the
                > minority, will do anything they can to manipulate the vote? It's they only
                > way they can win. It's the only way they can get the keys to the vault.
                > Their solution is to replace humans with machines.
                >
                > They will spend thousands of hours and thousands of pages of minutae to
                > obfuscate the reality: No One Knows Who Voted For Whom. Nobody knows who
                > got the most votes. Not even the programmers, who deal in percentages. The
                > actual vote is unknown, and will remain that way, until we hand count the
                > ballots.
                >
                > They don't care about non-partisanship except that it disarms the honest
                > majority. The people pushing the machines are as partisan as they can be.
                >
                > There are 700,00 more Democrats than Republicans in Florida. How is it that
                > the Republicans hold power? It is blatantly simple. They "count" the
                > votes with their machines..
                >
                > It is far past time to abandon the entire fight against the machines. There
                > is no need to compromise. We have a far better chance of salvaging our
                > republic by not playing the game, and by advocating the hand counting of
                > ballots in the precinct.
                >
                > Face it, we will never know if a vote count is accurate unless we actually
                > count the votes.
                >
                >
                >
                >
                > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@...> wrote:
                >
                > >
                > >
                > > Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.
                > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
                > >
                > > All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22
                > > months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before
                > > Election Day!
                > >
                > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917477&fbid=433828334586&id=740974586>
                > >
                > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917479&fbid=433828379586&id=740974586>
                > >
                > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917480&fbid=433828384586&id=740974586>
                > > Broward Disappearing Ink and Early Voting Security Integrity.<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf>
                > >
                > > Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications
                > > programmed by the Broward IT?
                > >
                > > Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's
                > > Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero
                > > poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are
                > > signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election.
                > > I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used
                > > and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if
                > > the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information
                > > on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes
                > > cast on it.
                > >
                > > I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in
                > > Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than
                > > early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the
                > > location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes
                > > to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an
                > > audit be performed.
                > >
                > > Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests
                > > which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and
                > > accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.
                > >
                > > These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in
                > > Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to
                > > demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and
                > > Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling
                > > Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before
                > > the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on
                > > August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines
                > > opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly
                > > performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite
                > > how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public
                > > voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early
                > > Voting were opened before they officially passed the test.
                > >
                > > Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at
                > > early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the
                > > machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not
                > > allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly
                > > beforehand.
                > >
                > > I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on
                > > these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure
                > > that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked
                > > to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual
                > > voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to
                > > place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy
                > > tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless.
                > >
                > > In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years
                > > ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for
                > > voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from
                > > the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They
                > > just do as they please, because they can get away with it.
                > >
                > > However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very
                > > cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out
                > > by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this
                > > election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for
                > > them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24,
                > > regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen
                > > observers.
                > >
                > > Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling
                > > Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
                > > Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and
                > > IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.
                > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
                > >
                > > The following is some of my key observations.
                > >
                > > So far *23219* have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
                > > See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.
                > > *Early Voting Turnout <http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3801>
                > > *
                > >
                > > Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010
                > >
                > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#%21/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album>
                > >
                > > Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010.
                > > http://www.browardsoe.org/content.aspx?id=152
                > >
                > > These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early
                > > voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting
                > > on 07/29/10.
                > >
                > > Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the
                > > election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.
                > >
                > > The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were
                > > working properly was on 8/4/10,
                > > Public Notice of L and A and Canvassing Board Meeting<http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3684>
                > > Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially
                > > passed the test.
                > >
                > > But the big news of the voting blogs was:
                > >
                > > "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".
                > >
                > > *A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:*
                > >
                > > At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with
                > > arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact
                > > the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response),
                > > Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda
                > > Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair
                > > ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
                > >
                > > *...Unbelievable.*
                > > *
                > > *
                > > *Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?*
                > > *
                > > *
                > > Ellen H. Brodsky
                > > Broward Election Reform Coalition
                > > ehbrod@...
                > > 954-263-6032
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >
                >
                >
                > --
                > Christopher S. Brudy
                >
                > "..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth." Gordon
                > Duff
                > "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb
                >



              • gomarlinsgo
                Ellen didn t post my response to your previous entry. Maybe she keeps me on her list because I am probably the only one on the list who actually works in an
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                  Ellen didn't post my response to your previous entry. Maybe she keeps me on her list because I am probably the only one on the list who actually works in an election office (tabulation) and I know how it works. I don't need to share my true identity and it's not because I am afraid someone will find out I support secret voting because that is not true. I work very hard to code and test the ballots to be sure the election works properly and is tabulated properly. Have you ever attended an L&A where we prove the ballots are being counted correctly? Are you in the tabulation room making sure all the ballots are counted, in many cases having to duplicate hundreds of ballots because the voter did not follow instructions? I can assure you we bend over backwards to count each ballot. To say I don't is insulting, just like me saying all you effing attorneys are @ssholes and out to make a lot of money and I can get a lot of people to agree with me. Mine charges me over $300 per hour.



                  --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > Ellen:
                  >
                  > I agree, but as I said before, "I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others."
                  >
                  > If someone wants to keep supporting secret vote counting, why don't they use their real name? Are they afraid that their neighbors might find out that they want a voting system that would be envied by Stalin? If so, perhaps they should think about their position before spouting it all the time and ridiculing others who just want the votes to be counted accurately.
                  >
                  > By the way, why is a secret vote counting proponent interested in this list anyway? Are they just doing their job for the powers that be by keeping an eye on us and trying to undermine real reform efforts?
                  >
                  > Come on, anonymous gomarlinslingo, give us a name to put with your advocacy for secret vote counting, and try to explain why a secret vote counting proponent should be on an election reform list. When he, she or it fails to do so, why don't you bounce him, her or it from this list?
                  >
                  > Does anyone else want an anonymous true believer in secret vote counting to be bounced? If so, chime in.
                  >
                  > Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                  > From: ehbrod@...
                  > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:44:33 -0700
                  > Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > We cannot always sing to the choir. A little red meat is good to recharge the batteries. Opposing viewpoints are important.
                  >
                  >
                  > The Moderator.
                  >
                  > --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...> wrote:
                  >
                  >
                  > From: Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...>
                  > Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                  > To: "Election ReformYahoo" <electionreform@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 5:14 PM
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > Anonymous gomarlinslingo:
                  >
                  > I'm glad that I checked this email account today. I love to hear a true believer who has absolute faith in the numbers spewed out by the computers.
                  >
                  > Did you know that the computers count the votes in secret and that no one checks to make sure that the votes were counted accurately on election day? Did you know that counting votes in secret is unconstitutional?
                  >
                  > I'm not surprised that you have never seen anyone fixing the vote count since no one can see a computer count, and almost no one has ever made an effort to see if the secret vote count was accurate.
                  >
                  > To see some of the proof that we obtained in the 2006 election contests, check out the link in my article Why Does the Government Ignore Our Wishes? at http://dailycensored.com/2009/09/11/why-does-the-government-ignore-our-wishes/ and don't miss my short speech.
                  >
                  > If you take a look, you'll learn why those in power and those who can improperly influence them get away with violating our rights, stealing elections, abusing their power, and committing horrible crimes. My article on torture includes a link to the U.S. Supreme Court case which explains how one of our stolen rights makes the difference between justice and injustice, between freedom and slavery.
                  >
                  > By the way, secret vote counting is specifically prohibited by the constitutions of some of the original states as well as a couple of U.S. Supreme Court cases. For example, see Virginia's Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL?!?! at
                  > http://dailycensored.com/2009/11/03/virginia%e2%80%99s-elections-are-unconstitutional/
                  >
                  > Finally, paper ballots were counted in public to determine the winners in elections across America for a long time, and there were several instances were elections were rigged by those in control of the count. However, the ballot boxes are supposed to be kept in public view until they are opened and the ballots are counted in public, and then, the results are supposed to be posted in public at each precinct so that they can be compared to the tally sheets at the SOE's office. This makes it very hard to steal an election because it requires a large number of people to participate in the conspiracy. This is why we know about these election thefts. Yet, when the ballots are counted in secret on a computer and no one checks to make sure they were counted accurately on election day at the precincts, it only takes one programmer or hacker to steal an election. This is why they get away with it so often.
                  >
                  > Are you still a true believer in secret vote counting? If so, you probably will be happy to hear that Stalin liked it, too.
                  >
                  > Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
                  >
                  > P.S. Why are anonymous commenters allowed on this list? I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                  > From: gomarlinsgo@...
                  > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:59:11 +0000
                  > Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > I am willing to bet $10,000 that when we do a big L&A with a specific pattern, the machines do a better job than the hand counters. In 2008, my friends in Broward had a huge test deck that took several boxes to store and it came out with the same result before and after the election. There is no way your hand count can do the same. Put up the money or STFU. And I don't care who wins, I'm NPA, and have never, ever seen anyone fixing the vote. Show me the proof that nothing coming from the machines can be known to be accurate. I say your are full of it. And I would NEVER EVER let you count the ballots. It's obvious you have an agenda and would probably do anything to help your candidate win. I would not risk going to jail so some corrupt politician would win. The audits continually prove that the machines counted correctly, or within allowable percentages. Fact is, we would never know who won if we let Guitar Chris Brudy touch the ballots.
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud?
                  > >
                  > > The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the
                  > > election. It has been proven, over and over, that nothing coming from the
                  > > machines can be known to be accurate.
                  > >
                  > > After your arrest, isn't it important to note that no matter how we feel
                  > > about bi-partisanship, that certain partisans, obviously those in the
                  > > minority, will do anything they can to manipulate the vote? It's they only
                  > > way they can win. It's the only way they can get the keys to the vault.
                  > > Their solution is to replace humans with machines.
                  > >
                  > > They will spend thousands of hours and thousands of pages of minutae to
                  > > obfuscate the reality: No One Knows Who Voted For Whom. Nobody knows who
                  > > got the most votes. Not even the programmers, who deal in percentages. The
                  > > actual vote is unknown, and will remain that way, until we hand count the
                  > > ballots.
                  > >
                  > > They don't care about non-partisanship except that it disarms the honest
                  > > majority. The people pushing the machines are as partisan as they can be.
                  > >
                  > > There are 700,00 more Democrats than Republicans in Florida. How is it that
                  > > the Republicans hold power? It is blatantly simple. They "count" the
                  > > votes with their machines..
                  > >
                  > > It is far past time to abandon the entire fight against the machines. There
                  > > is no need to compromise. We have a far better chance of salvaging our
                  > > republic by not playing the game, and by advocating the hand counting of
                  > > ballots in the precinct.
                  > >
                  > > Face it, we will never know if a vote count is accurate unless we actually
                  > > count the votes.
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@> wrote:
                  > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > > Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.
                  > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
                  > > >
                  > > > All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22
                  > > > months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before
                  > > > Election Day!
                  > > >
                  > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917477&fbid=433828334586&id=740974586>
                  > > >
                  > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917479&fbid=433828379586&id=740974586>
                  > > >
                  > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917480&fbid=433828384586&id=740974586>
                  > > > Broward Disappearing Ink and Early Voting Security Integrity.<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf>
                  > > >
                  > > > Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications
                  > > > programmed by the Broward IT?
                  > > >
                  > > > Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's
                  > > > Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero
                  > > > poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are
                  > > > signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election.
                  > > > I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used
                  > > > and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if
                  > > > the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information
                  > > > on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes
                  > > > cast on it.
                  > > >
                  > > > I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in
                  > > > Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than
                  > > > early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the
                  > > > location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes
                  > > > to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an
                  > > > audit be performed.
                  > > >
                  > > > Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests
                  > > > which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and
                  > > > accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.
                  > > >
                  > > > These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in
                  > > > Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to
                  > > > demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and
                  > > > Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling
                  > > > Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before
                  > > > the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on
                  > > > August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines
                  > > > opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly
                  > > > performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite
                  > > > how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public
                  > > > voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early
                  > > > Voting were opened before they officially passed the test.
                  > > >
                  > > > Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at
                  > > > early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the
                  > > > machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not
                  > > > allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly
                  > > > beforehand.
                  > > >
                  > > > I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on
                  > > > these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure
                  > > > that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked
                  > > > to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual
                  > > > voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to
                  > > > place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy
                  > > > tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless.
                  > > >
                  > > > In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years
                  > > > ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for
                  > > > voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from
                  > > > the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They
                  > > > just do as they please, because they can get away with it.
                  > > >
                  > > > However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very
                  > > > cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out
                  > > > by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this
                  > > > election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for
                  > > > them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24,
                  > > > regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen
                  > > > observers.
                  > > >
                  > > > Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling
                  > > > Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
                  > > > Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and
                  > > > IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.
                  > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
                  > > >
                  > > > The following is some of my key observations.
                  > > >
                  > > > So far *23219* have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
                  > > > See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.
                  > > > *Early Voting Turnout <http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3801>
                  > > > *
                  > > >
                  > > > Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010
                  > > >
                  > > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#%21/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album>
                  > > >
                  > > > Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010.
                  > > > http://www.browardsoe.org/content.aspx?id=152
                  > > >
                  > > > These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early
                  > > > voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting
                  > > > on 07/29/10.
                  > > >
                  > > > Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the
                  > > > election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.
                  > > >
                  > > > The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were
                  > > > working properly was on 8/4/10,
                  > > > Public Notice of L and A and Canvassing Board Meeting<http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3684>
                  > > > Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially
                  > > > passed the test.
                  > > >
                  > > > But the big news of the voting blogs was:
                  > > >
                  > > > "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".
                  > > >
                  > > > *A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:*
                  > > >
                  > > > At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with
                  > > > arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact
                  > > > the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response),
                  > > > Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda
                  > > > Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair
                  > > > ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
                  > > >
                  > > > *...Unbelievable.*
                  > > > *
                  > > > *
                  > > > *Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?*
                  > > > *
                  > > > *
                  > > > Ellen H. Brodsky
                  > > > Broward Election Reform Coalition
                  > > > ehbrod@
                  > > > 954-263-6032
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > >
                  > > --
                  > > Christopher S. Brudy
                  > >
                  > > "..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth." Gordon
                  > > Duff
                  > > "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb
                  > >
                  >
                • Ellen H. Brodsky
                  How many provisional ballots have been cast so far and how many absentee ballots received, counted? How many absentee ballots returned to the soe as
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                    How many provisional ballots have been cast so far and how many absentee ballots received, counted? How many absentee ballots returned to the soe as undeliverable? How many ab ballots were rejected and what were the reasons?

                    Why was the tabulation suspended until 9 am morning according the soe website? What is happening now between 12 am Aug. 25 to Aug. 26, 5 pm?

                    I am sorry I did not post your response sooner. I have not had access to a computer and only sporadically since my computer crashed and in the throws of critical family business.

                    And yes, I do appreciate the fact that you work in the election office. 

                    The Moderator.


                    --- On Wed, 8/25/10, gomarlinsgo <gomarlinsgo@...> wrote:

                    From: gomarlinsgo <gomarlinsgo@...>
                    Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                    To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                    Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:09 PM

                     

                    Ellen didn't post my response to your previous entry. Maybe she keeps me on her list because I am probably the only one on the list who actually works in an election office (tabulation) and I know how it works. I don't need to share my true identity and it's not because I am afraid someone will find out I support secret voting because that is not true. I work very hard to code and test the ballots to be sure the election works properly and is tabulated properly. Have you ever attended an L&A where we prove the ballots are being counted correctly? Are you in the tabulation room making sure all the ballots are counted, in many cases having to duplicate hundreds of ballots because the voter did not follow instructions? I can assure you we bend over backwards to count each ballot. To say I don't is insulting, just like me saying all you effing attorneys are @ssholes and out to make a lot of money and I can get a lot of people to agree with me. Mine charges me over $300 per hour.

                    --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > Ellen:
                    >
                    > I agree, but as I said before, "I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others."
                    >
                    > If someone wants to keep supporting secret vote counting, why don't they use their real name? Are they afraid that their neighbors might find out that they want a voting system that would be envied by Stalin? If so, perhaps they should think about their position before spouting it all the time and ridiculing others who just want the votes to be counted accurately.
                    >
                    > By the way, why is a secret vote counting proponent interested in this list anyway? Are they just doing their job for the powers that be by keeping an eye on us and trying to undermine real reform efforts?
                    >
                    > Come on, anonymous gomarlinslingo, give us a name to put with your advocacy for secret vote counting, and try to explain why a secret vote counting proponent should be on an election reform list. When he, she or it fails to do so, why don't you bounce him, her or it from this list?
                    >
                    > Does anyone else want an anonymous true believer in secret vote counting to be bounced? If so, chime in.
                    >
                    > Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                    > From: ehbrod@...
                    > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:44:33 -0700
                    > Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > We cannot always sing to the choir. A little red meat is good to recharge the batteries. Opposing viewpoints are important.
                    >
                    >
                    > The Moderator.
                    >
                    > --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...> wrote:
                    >
                    >
                    > From: Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...>
                    > Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                    > To: "Election ReformYahoo" <electionreform@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 5:14 PM
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > Anonymous gomarlinslingo:
                    >
                    > I'm glad that I checked this email account today. I love to hear a true believer who has absolute faith in the numbers spewed out by the computers.
                    >
                    > Did you know that the computers count the votes in secret and that no one checks to make sure that the votes were counted accurately on election day? Did you know that counting votes in secret is unconstitutional?
                    >
                    > I'm not surprised that you have never seen anyone fixing the vote count since no one can see a computer count, and almost no one has ever made an effort to see if the secret vote count was accurate.
                    >
                    > To see some of the proof that we obtained in the 2006 election contests, check out the link in my article Why Does the Government Ignore Our Wishes? at http://dailycensored.com/2009/09/11/why-does-the-government-ignore-our-wishes/ and don't miss my short speech.
                    >
                    > If you take a look, you'll learn why those in power and those who can improperly influence them get away with violating our rights, stealing elections, abusing their power, and committing horrible crimes. My article on torture includes a link to the U.S. Supreme Court case which explains how one of our stolen rights makes the difference between justice and injustice, between freedom and slavery.
                    >
                    > By the way, secret vote counting is specifically prohibited by the constitutions of some of the original states as well as a couple of U.S. Supreme Court cases. For example, see Virginia's Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL?!?! at
                    > http://dailycensored.com/2009/11/03/virginia%e2%80%99s-elections-are-unconstitutional/
                    >
                    > Finally, paper ballots were counted in public to determine the winners in elections across America for a long time, and there were several instances were elections were rigged by those in control of the count. However, the ballot boxes are supposed to be kept in public view until they are opened and the ballots are counted in public, and then, the results are supposed to be posted in public at each precinct so that they can be compared to the tally sheets at the SOE's office. This makes it very hard to steal an election because it requires a large number of people to participate in the conspiracy. This is why we know about these election thefts. Yet, when the ballots are counted in secret on a computer and no one checks to make sure they were counted accurately on election day at the precincts, it only takes one programmer or hacker to steal an election. This is why they get away with it so often.
                    >
                    > Are you still a true believer in secret vote counting? If so, you probably will be happy to hear that Stalin liked it, too.
                    >
                    > Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
                    >
                    > P.S. Why are anonymous commenters allowed on this list? I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                    > From: gomarlinsgo@...
                    > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:59:11 +0000
                    > Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    >
                    > I am willing to bet $10,000 that when we do a big L&A with a specific pattern, the machines do a better job than the hand counters. In 2008, my friends in Broward had a huge test deck that took several boxes to store and it came out with the same result before and after the election. There is no way your hand count can do the same. Put up the money or STFU. And I don't care who wins, I'm NPA, and have never, ever seen anyone fixing the vote. Show me the proof that nothing coming from the machines can be known to be accurate. I say your are full of it. And I would NEVER EVER let you count the ballots. It's obvious you have an agenda and would probably do anything to help your candidate win. I would not risk going to jail so some corrupt politician would win. The audits continually prove that the machines counted correctly, or within allowable percentages. Fact is, we would never know who won if we let Guitar Chris Brudy touch the ballots.
                    >
                    >
                    > --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud?
                    > >
                    > > The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the
                    > > election. It has been proven, over and over, that nothing coming from the
                    > > machines can be known to be accurate.
                    > >
                    > > After your arrest, isn't it important to note that no matter how we feel
                    > > about bi-partisanship, that certain partisans, obviously those in the
                    > > minority, will do anything they can to manipulate the vote? It's they only
                    > > way they can win. It's the only way they can get the keys to the vault.
                    > > Their solution is to replace humans with machines.
                    > >
                    > > They will spend thousands of hours and thousands of pages of minutae to
                    > > obfuscate the reality: No One Knows Who Voted For Whom. Nobody knows who
                    > > got the most votes. Not even the programmers, who deal in percentages. The
                    > > actual vote is unknown, and will remain that way, until we hand count the
                    > > ballots.
                    > >
                    > > They don't care about non-partisanship except that it disarms the honest
                    > > majority. The people pushing the machines are as partisan as they can be.
                    > >
                    > > There are 700,00 more Democrats than Republicans in Florida. How is it that
                    > > the Republicans hold power? It is blatantly simple. They "count" the
                    > > votes with their machines..
                    > >
                    > > It is far past time to abandon the entire fight against the machines. There
                    > > is no need to compromise. We have a far better chance of salvaging our
                    > > republic by not playing the game, and by advocating the hand counting of
                    > > ballots in the precinct.
                    > >
                    > > Face it, we will never know if a vote count is accurate unless we actually
                    > > count the votes.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@> wrote:
                    > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > > Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.
                    > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
                    > > >
                    > > > All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22
                    > > > months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before
                    > > > Election Day!
                    > > >
                    > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917477&fbid=433828334586&id=740974586>
                    > > >
                    > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917479&fbid=433828379586&id=740974586>
                    > > >
                    > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917480&fbid=433828384586&id=740974586>
                    > > > Broward Disappearing Ink and Early Voting Security Integrity.<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf>
                    > > >
                    > > > Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications
                    > > > programmed by the Broward IT?
                    > > >
                    > > > Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's
                    > > > Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero
                    > > > poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are
                    > > > signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election.
                    > > > I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used
                    > > > and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if
                    > > > the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information
                    > > > on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes
                    > > > cast on it.
                    > > >
                    > > > I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in
                    > > > Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than
                    > > > early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the
                    > > > location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes
                    > > > to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an
                    > > > audit be performed.
                    > > >
                    > > > Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests
                    > > > which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and
                    > > > accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.
                    > > >
                    > > > These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in
                    > > > Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to
                    > > > demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and
                    > > > Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling
                    > > > Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before
                    > > > the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on
                    > > > August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines
                    > > > opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly
                    > > > performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite
                    > > > how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public
                    > > > voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early
                    > > > Voting were opened before they officially passed the test.
                    > > >
                    > > > Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at
                    > > > early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the
                    > > > machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not
                    > > > allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly
                    > > > beforehand.
                    > > >
                    > > > I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on
                    > > > these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure
                    > > > that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked
                    > > > to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual
                    > > > voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to
                    > > > place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy
                    > > > tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless.
                    > > >
                    > > > In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years
                    > > > ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for
                    > > > voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from
                    > > > the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They
                    > > > just do as they please, because they can get away with it.
                    > > >
                    > > > However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very
                    > > > cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out
                    > > > by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this
                    > > > election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for
                    > > > them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24,
                    > > > regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen
                    > > > observers.
                    > > >
                    > > > Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling
                    > > > Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
                    > > > Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and
                    > > > IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.
                    > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
                    > > >
                    > > > The following is some of my key observations.
                    > > >
                    > > > So far *23219* have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
                    > > > See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.
                    > > > *Early Voting Turnout <http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3801>
                    > > > *
                    > > >
                    > > > Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010
                    > > >
                    > > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#%21/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album>
                    > > >
                    > > > Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010.
                    > > > http://www.browardsoe.org/content.aspx?id=152
                    > > >
                    > > > These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early
                    > > > voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting
                    > > > on 07/29/10.
                    > > >
                    > > > Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the
                    > > > election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.
                    > > >
                    > > > The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were
                    > > > working properly was on 8/4/10,
                    > > > Public Notice of L and A and Canvassing Board Meeting<http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3684>
                    > > > Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially
                    > > > passed the test.
                    > > >
                    > > > But the big news of the voting blogs was:
                    > > >
                    > > > "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".
                    > > >
                    > > > *A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:*
                    > > >
                    > > > At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with
                    > > > arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact
                    > > > the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response),
                    > > > Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda
                    > > > Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair
                    > > > ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
                    > > >
                    > > > *...Unbelievable.*
                    > > > *
                    > > > *
                    > > > *Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?*
                    > > > *
                    > > > *
                    > > > Ellen H. Brodsky
                    > > > Broward Election Reform Coalition
                    > > > ehbrod@
                    > > > 954-263-6032
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --
                    > > Christopher S. Brudy
                    > >
                    > > "..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth." Gordon
                    > > Duff
                    > > "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb
                    > >
                    >


                  • Ellen H. Brodsky
                    Can you please send me a copy of your L&A expected script and the result for the August election? I would also appreciate if you can tell me how many
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                      Can you please send me a copy of your L&A expected script and the result for the August election?

                      I would also appreciate if you can tell me how many provisionals were rejected so far and by category and the reasons. Also, were there any transmisssion problems from the regional drop off centers, did you print early voting totals tapes that are posted at the voting machine warehouse for the public to see, were there any incident reports and how many and what kind, machine failures, memory card failures, etc. Which precincts had transmission or tabulation problems with results still unknown. 

                      For example, I was at a poll closing observing the Wynmoor precincts in Coconut Creek. 
                      F001 had a ds200 scanner that was inoperable during the day periodically, and the SOE dept. never came to replace it as asked by the pollworkers. It turned out by poll closing 30 ballots kept on being rejected by the scanner and finally, after much delicacy and loving care by the vst after multiple attempts they managed to get 28 ballots scanned after the polls closed. However, the poll tape only reflects a public count that does not include the 2 ballots that could not be scanned. I am sure this happened in many precincts in Broward. How did the canvassing board handle this kind of situation?

                      The Moderator


                      --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@...> wrote:

                      From: Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@...>
                      Subject: Re: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                      To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:25 PM

                       

                      How many provisional ballots have been cast so far and how many absentee ballots received, counted? How many absentee ballots returned to the soe as undeliverable? How many ab ballots were rejected and what were the reasons?

                      Why was the tabulation suspended until 9 am morning according the soe website? What is happening now between 12 am Aug. 25 to Aug. 26, 5 pm?

                      I am sorry I did not post your response sooner. I have not had access to a computer and only sporadically since my computer crashed and in the throws of critical family business.

                      And yes, I do appreciate the fact that you work in the election office. 

                      The Moderator.


                      --- On Wed, 8/25/10, gomarlinsgo <gomarlinsgo@...> wrote:

                      From: gomarlinsgo <gomarlinsgo@...>
                      Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                      To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                      Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:09 PM

                       

                      Ellen didn't post my response to your previous entry. Maybe she keeps me on her list because I am probably the only one on the list who actually works in an election office (tabulation) and I know how it works. I don't need to share my true identity and it's not because I am afraid someone will find out I support secret voting because that is not true. I work very hard to code and test the ballots to be sure the election works properly and is tabulated properly. Have you ever attended an L&A where we prove the ballots are being counted correctly? Are you in the tabulation room making sure all the ballots are counted, in many cases having to duplicate hundreds of ballots because the voter did not follow instructions? I can assure you we bend over backwards to count each ballot. To say I don't is insulting, just like me saying all you effing attorneys are @ssholes and out to make a lot of money and I can get a lot of people to agree with me. Mine charges me over $300 per hour.

                      --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > Ellen:
                      >
                      > I agree, but as I said before, "I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others."
                      >
                      > If someone wants to keep supporting secret vote counting, why don't they use their real name? Are they afraid that their neighbors might find out that they want a voting system that would be envied by Stalin? If so, perhaps they should think about their position before spouting it all the time and ridiculing others who just want the votes to be counted accurately.
                      >
                      > By the way, why is a secret vote counting proponent interested in this list anyway? Are they just doing their job for the powers that be by keeping an eye on us and trying to undermine real reform efforts?
                      >
                      > Come on, anonymous gomarlinslingo, give us a name to put with your advocacy for secret vote counting, and try to explain why a secret vote counting proponent should be on an election reform list. When he, she or it fails to do so, why don't you bounce him, her or it from this list?
                      >
                      > Does anyone else want an anonymous true believer in secret vote counting to be bounced? If so, chime in.
                      >
                      > Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                      > From: ehbrod@...
                      > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:44:33 -0700
                      > Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > We cannot always sing to the choir. A little red meat is good to recharge the batteries. Opposing viewpoints are important.
                      >
                      >
                      > The Moderator.
                      >
                      > --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...> wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      > From: Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...>
                      > Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                      > To: "Election ReformYahoo" <electionreform@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 5:14 PM
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Anonymous gomarlinslingo:
                      >
                      > I'm glad that I checked this email account today. I love to hear a true believer who has absolute faith in the numbers spewed out by the computers.
                      >
                      > Did you know that the computers count the votes in secret and that no one checks to make sure that the votes were counted accurately on election day? Did you know that counting votes in secret is unconstitutional?
                      >
                      > I'm not surprised that you have never seen anyone fixing the vote count since no one can see a computer count, and almost no one has ever made an effort to see if the secret vote count was accurate.
                      >
                      > To see some of the proof that we obtained in the 2006 election contests, check out the link in my article Why Does the Government Ignore Our Wishes? at http://dailycensored.com/2009/09/11/why-does-the-government-ignore-our-wishes/ and don't miss my short speech.
                      >
                      > If you take a look, you'll learn why those in power and those who can improperly influence them get away with violating our rights, stealing elections, abusing their power, and committing horrible crimes. My article on torture includes a link to the U.S. Supreme Court case which explains how one of our stolen rights makes the difference between justice and injustice, between freedom and slavery.
                      >
                      > By the way, secret vote counting is specifically prohibited by the constitutions of some of the original states as well as a couple of U.S. Supreme Court cases. For example, see Virginia's Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL?!?! at
                      > http://dailycensored.com/2009/11/03/virginia%e2%80%99s-elections-are-unconstitutional/
                      >
                      > Finally, paper ballots were counted in public to determine the winners in elections across America for a long time, and there were several instances were elections were rigged by those in control of the count. However, the ballot boxes are supposed to be kept in public view until they are opened and the ballots are counted in public, and then, the results are supposed to be posted in public at each precinct so that they can be compared to the tally sheets at the SOE's office. This makes it very hard to steal an election because it requires a large number of people to participate in the conspiracy. This is why we know about these election thefts. Yet, when the ballots are counted in secret on a computer and no one checks to make sure they were counted accurately on election day at the precincts, it only takes one programmer or hacker to steal an election. This is why they get away with it so often.
                      >
                      > Are you still a true believer in secret vote counting? If so, you probably will be happy to hear that Stalin liked it, too.
                      >
                      > Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
                      >
                      > P.S. Why are anonymous commenters allowed on this list? I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                      > From: gomarlinsgo@...
                      > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:59:11 +0000
                      > Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > I am willing to bet $10,000 that when we do a big L&A with a specific pattern, the machines do a better job than the hand counters. In 2008, my friends in Broward had a huge test deck that took several boxes to store and it came out with the same result before and after the election. There is no way your hand count can do the same. Put up the money or STFU. And I don't care who wins, I'm NPA, and have never, ever seen anyone fixing the vote. Show me the proof that nothing coming from the machines can be known to be accurate. I say your are full of it. And I would NEVER EVER let you count the ballots. It's obvious you have an agenda and would probably do anything to help your candidate win. I would not risk going to jail so some corrupt politician would win. The audits continually prove that the machines counted correctly, or within allowable percentages. Fact is, we would never know who won if we let Guitar Chris Brudy touch the ballots.
                      >
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                      > --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@> wrote:
                      > >
                      > > Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud?
                      > >
                      > > The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the
                      > > election. It has been proven, over and over, that nothing coming from the
                      > > machines can be known to be accurate.
                      > >
                      > > After your arrest, isn't it important to note that no matter how we feel
                      > > about bi-partisanship, that certain partisans, obviously those in the
                      > > minority, will do anything they can to manipulate the vote? It's they only
                      > > way they can win. It's the only way they can get the keys to the vault.
                      > > Their solution is to replace humans with machines.
                      > >
                      > > They will spend thousands of hours and thousands of pages of minutae to
                      > > obfuscate the reality: No One Knows Who Voted For Whom. Nobody knows who
                      > > got the most votes. Not even the programmers, who deal in percentages. The
                      > > actual vote is unknown, and will remain that way, until we hand count the
                      > > ballots.
                      > >
                      > > They don't care about non-partisanship except that it disarms the honest
                      > > majority. The people pushing the machines are as partisan as they can be.
                      > >
                      > > There are 700,00 more Democrats than Republicans in Florida. How is it that
                      > > the Republicans hold power? It is blatantly simple. They "count" the
                      > > votes with their machines..
                      > >
                      > > It is far past time to abandon the entire fight against the machines. There
                      > > is no need to compromise. We have a far better chance of salvaging our
                      > > republic by not playing the game, and by advocating the hand counting of
                      > > ballots in the precinct.
                      > >
                      > > Face it, we will never know if a vote count is accurate unless we actually
                      > > count the votes.
                      > >
                      > >
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                      > >
                      > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@> wrote:
                      > >
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                      > > >
                      > > > Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.
                      > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
                      > > >
                      > > > All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22
                      > > > months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before
                      > > > Election Day!
                      > > >
                      > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917477&fbid=433828334586&id=740974586>
                      > > >
                      > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917479&fbid=433828379586&id=740974586>
                      > > >
                      > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917480&fbid=433828384586&id=740974586>
                      > > > Broward Disappearing Ink and Early Voting Security Integrity.<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf>
                      > > >
                      > > > Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications
                      > > > programmed by the Broward IT?
                      > > >
                      > > > Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's
                      > > > Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero
                      > > > poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are
                      > > > signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election.
                      > > > I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used
                      > > > and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if
                      > > > the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information
                      > > > on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes
                      > > > cast on it.
                      > > >
                      > > > I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in
                      > > > Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than
                      > > > early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the
                      > > > location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes
                      > > > to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an
                      > > > audit be performed.
                      > > >
                      > > > Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests
                      > > > which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and
                      > > > accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.
                      > > >
                      > > > These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in
                      > > > Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to
                      > > > demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and
                      > > > Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling
                      > > > Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before
                      > > > the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on
                      > > > August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines
                      > > > opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly
                      > > > performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite
                      > > > how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public
                      > > > voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early
                      > > > Voting were opened before they officially passed the test.
                      > > >
                      > > > Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at
                      > > > early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the
                      > > > machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not
                      > > > allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly
                      > > > beforehand.
                      > > >
                      > > > I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on
                      > > > these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure
                      > > > that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked
                      > > > to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual
                      > > > voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to
                      > > > place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy
                      > > > tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless.
                      > > >
                      > > > In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years
                      > > > ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for
                      > > > voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from
                      > > > the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They
                      > > > just do as they please, because they can get away with it.
                      > > >
                      > > > However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very
                      > > > cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out
                      > > > by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this
                      > > > election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for
                      > > > them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24,
                      > > > regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen
                      > > > observers.
                      > > >
                      > > > Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling
                      > > > Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
                      > > > Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and
                      > > > IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.
                      > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
                      > > >
                      > > > The following is some of my key observations.
                      > > >
                      > > > So far *23219* have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
                      > > > See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.
                      > > > *Early Voting Turnout <http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3801>
                      > > > *
                      > > >
                      > > > Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010
                      > > >
                      > > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#%21/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album>
                      > > >
                      > > > Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010.
                      > > > http://www.browardsoe.org/content.aspx?id=152
                      > > >
                      > > > These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early
                      > > > voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting
                      > > > on 07/29/10.
                      > > >
                      > > > Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the
                      > > > election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.
                      > > >
                      > > > The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were
                      > > > working properly was on 8/4/10,
                      > > > Public Notice of L and A and Canvassing Board Meeting<http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3684>
                      > > > Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially
                      > > > passed the test.
                      > > >
                      > > > But the big news of the voting blogs was:
                      > > >
                      > > > "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".
                      > > >
                      > > > *A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:*
                      > > >
                      > > > At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with
                      > > > arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact
                      > > > the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response),
                      > > > Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda
                      > > > Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair
                      > > > ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
                      > > >
                      > > > *...Unbelievable.*
                      > > > *
                      > > > *
                      > > > *Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?*
                      > > > *
                      > > > *
                      > > > Ellen H. Brodsky
                      > > > Broward Election Reform Coalition
                      > > > ehbrod@
                      > > > 954-263-6032
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > --
                      > > Christopher S. Brudy
                      > >
                      > > "..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth." Gordon
                      > > Duff
                      > > "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb
                      > >
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                    • gomarlinsgo
                      I don t know the numbers of prov or AB yet, there are more to be processed, maybe that s why they suspended tabulation.
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                        I don't know the numbers of prov or AB yet, there are more to be processed, maybe that's why they suspended tabulation.

                        --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, "Ellen H. Brodsky" <ehbrod@...> wrote:
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                        > How many provisional ballots have been cast so far and how many absentee ballots received, counted? How many absentee ballots returned to the soe as undeliverable? How many ab ballots were rejected and what were the reasons?
                        > Why was the tabulation suspended until 9 am morning according the soe website? What is happening now between 12 am Aug. 25 to Aug. 26, 5 pm?
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                        > I am sorry I did not post your response sooner. I have not had access to a computer and only sporadically since my computer crashed and in the throws of critical family business.
                        > And yes, I do appreciate the fact that you work in the election office. 
                        > The Moderator.
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                        > --- On Wed, 8/25/10, gomarlinsgo <gomarlinsgo@...> wrote:
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                        > From: gomarlinsgo <gomarlinsgo@...>
                        > Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                        > To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
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                        > --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@> wrote:
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                        > > I agree, but as I said before, "I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others."
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                        > > If someone wants to keep supporting secret vote counting, why don't they use their real name? Are they afraid that their neighbors might find out that they want a voting system that would be envied by Stalin? If so, perhaps they should think about their position before spouting it all the time and ridiculing others who just want the votes to be counted accurately.
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                        > > By the way, why is a secret vote counting proponent interested in this list anyway? Are they just doing their job for the powers that be by keeping an eye on us and trying to undermine real reform efforts?
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                        > > Come on, anonymous gomarlinslingo, give us a name to put with your advocacy for secret vote counting, and try to explain why a secret vote counting proponent should be on an election reform list. When he, she or it fails to do so, why don't you bounce him, her or it from this list?
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                        > > Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
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                        > > To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
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                        > > From: ehbrod@
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                        > > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:44:33 -0700
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                        > > Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
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                        > > --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@> wrote:
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                        > > From: Mark Adams <markadamsatty@>
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                        > > Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
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                        > > To: "Election ReformYahoo" <electionreform@yahoogroups.com>
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                        > > I'm glad that I checked this email account today. I love to hear a true believer who has absolute faith in the numbers spewed out by the computers.
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                        > > Did you know that the computers count the votes in secret and that no one checks to make sure that the votes were counted accurately on election day? Did you know that counting votes in secret is unconstitutional?
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                        > > I'm not surprised that you have never seen anyone fixing the vote count since no one can see a computer count, and almost no one has ever made an effort to see if the secret vote count was accurate.
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                        > > To see some of the proof that we obtained in the 2006 election contests, check out the link in my article Why Does the Government Ignore Our Wishes? at http://dailycensored.com/2009/09/11/why-does-the-government-ignore-our-wishes/ and don't miss my short speech.
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                        > > If you take a look, you'll learn why those in power and those who can improperly influence them get away with violating our rights, stealing elections, abusing their power, and committing horrible crimes. My article on torture includes a link to the U.S. Supreme Court case which explains how one of our stolen rights makes the difference between justice and injustice, between freedom and slavery.
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                        > > By the way, secret vote counting is specifically prohibited by the constitutions of some of the original states as well as a couple of U.S. Supreme Court cases. For example, see Virginia's Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL?!?! at
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                        > > http://dailycensored.com/2009/11/03/virginia%e2%80%99s-elections-are-unconstitutional/
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                        > > Finally, paper ballots were counted in public to determine the winners in elections across America for a long time, and there were several instances were elections were rigged by those in control of the count. However, the ballot boxes are supposed to be kept in public view until they are opened and the ballots are counted in public, and then, the results are supposed to be posted in public at each precinct so that they can be compared to the tally sheets at the SOE's office. This makes it very hard to steal an election because it requires a large number of people to participate in the conspiracy. This is why we know about these election thefts. Yet, when the ballots are counted in secret on a computer and no one checks to make sure they were counted accurately on election day at the precincts, it only takes one programmer or hacker to steal an election. This is why they get away with it so often.
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                        > > Are you still a true believer in secret vote counting? If so, you probably will be happy to hear that Stalin liked it, too.
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                        > > Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
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                        > > P.S. Why are anonymous commenters allowed on this list? I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others.
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                        > > From: gomarlinsgo@
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                        > > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:59:11 +0000
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                        > > Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
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                        > > I am willing to bet $10,000 that when we do a big L&A with a specific pattern, the machines do a better job than the hand counters. In 2008, my friends in Broward had a huge test deck that took several boxes to store and it came out with the same result before and after the election. There is no way your hand count can do the same. Put up the money or STFU. And I don't care who wins, I'm NPA, and have never, ever seen anyone fixing the vote. Show me the proof that nothing coming from the machines can be known to be accurate. I say your are full of it. And I would NEVER EVER let you count the ballots. It's obvious you have an agenda and would probably do anything to help your candidate win. I would not risk going to jail so some corrupt politician would win. The audits continually prove that the machines counted correctly, or within allowable percentages. Fact is, we would never know who won if we let Guitar Chris Brudy touch the ballots.
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                        > > --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@> wrote:
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                        > > > Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud?
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                        > > > The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the
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                        > > > election. It has been proven, over and over, that nothing coming from the
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                        > > > machines can be known to be accurate.
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                        > > > After your arrest, isn't it important to note that no matter how we feel
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                        > > > about bi-partisanship, that certain partisans, obviously those in the
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                        > > > minority, will do anything they can to manipulate the vote? It's they only
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                        > > > way they can win. It's the only way they can get the keys to the vault.
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                        > > > Their solution is to replace humans with machines.
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                        > > > They will spend thousands of hours and thousands of pages of minutae to
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                        > > > obfuscate the reality: No One Knows Who Voted For Whom. Nobody knows who
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                        > > > got the most votes. Not even the programmers, who deal in percentages. The
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                        > > > actual vote is unknown, and will remain that way, until we hand count the
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                        > > > They don't care about non-partisanship except that it disarms the honest
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                        > > > majority. The people pushing the machines are as partisan as they can be.
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                        > > > There are 700,00 more Democrats than Republicans in Florida. How is it that
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                        > > > the Republicans hold power? It is blatantly simple. They "count" the
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                        > > > votes with their machines..
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                        > > > It is far past time to abandon the entire fight against the machines. There
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                        > > > is no need to compromise. We have a far better chance of salvaging our
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                        > > > republic by not playing the game, and by advocating the hand counting of
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                        > > > ballots in the precinct.
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                        > > > Face it, we will never know if a vote count is accurate unless we actually
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                        > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@> wrote:
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                        > > > > Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.
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                        > > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
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                        > > > > All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22
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                        > > > > months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before
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                        > > > > Election Day!
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                        > > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917477&fbid=433828334586&id=740974586>
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                        > > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917479&fbid=433828379586&id=740974586>
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                        > > > > Broward Disappearing Ink and Early Voting Security Integrity.<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf>
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                        > > > > Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications
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                        > > > > programmed by the Broward IT?
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                        > > > > Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's
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                        > > > > Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero
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                        > > > > poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are
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                        > > > > signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election.
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                        > > > > I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used
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                        > > > > and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if
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                        > > > > the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information
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                        > > > > on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes
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                        > > > > cast on it.
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                        > > > > I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in
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                        > > > > Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than
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                        > > > > early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the
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                        > > > > location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes
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                        > > > > to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an
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                        > > > > audit be performed.
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests
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                        > > > > which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and
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                        > > > > accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in
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                        > > > > Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to
                        >
                        > > > > demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and
                        >
                        > > > > Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling
                        >
                        > > > > Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before
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                        > > > > the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on
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                        > > > > August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines
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                        > > > > opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly
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                        > > > > performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite
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                        > > > > how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public
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                        > > > > voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early
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                        > > > > Voting were opened before they officially passed the test.
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                        > > > > Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at
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                        > > > > early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the
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                        > > > > machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not
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                        > > > > allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly
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                        > > > > beforehand.
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                        > > > > I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on
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                        > > > > these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure
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                        > > > > that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked
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                        > > > > to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual
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                        > > > > voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to
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                        > > > > place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy
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                        > > > > tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless.
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                        > > > > In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years
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                        > > > > ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for
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                        > > > > voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from
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                        > > > > the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They
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                        > > > > just do as they please, because they can get away with it.
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very
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                        > > > > cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out
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                        > > > > by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this
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                        > > > > election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for
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                        > > > > them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24,
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                        > > > > regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen
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                        > > > > observers.
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling
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                        > > > > Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
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                        > > > > Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and
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                        > > > > IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.
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                        > > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > The following is some of my key observations.
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                        > > > > So far *23219* have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
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                        > > > > See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.
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                        > > > > *Early Voting Turnout <http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3801>
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                        > > > > *
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#%21/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album>
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010.
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                        > > > > http://www.browardsoe.org/content.aspx?id=152
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early
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                        > > > > voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting
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                        > > > > on 07/29/10.
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the
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                        > > > > election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were
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                        > > > > working properly was on 8/4/10,
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                        > > > > Public Notice of L and A and Canvassing Board Meeting<http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3684>
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                        > > > > Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially
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                        > > > > passed the test.
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > But the big news of the voting blogs was:
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > *A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:*
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > > At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with
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                        > > > > arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact
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                        > > > > the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response),
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                        > > > > Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda
                        >
                        > > > > Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair
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                        > > > > ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
                        >
                        > > > >
                        >
                        > > > > *...Unbelievable.*
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                        > > > > *
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                        > > > > *
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                        > > > > *Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?*
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                        > > > > *
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                        > > > > *
                        >
                        > > > > Ellen H. Brodsky
                        >
                        > > > > Broward Election Reform Coalition
                        >
                        > > > > ehbrod@
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                        > > > > 954-263-6032
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > >
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                        > > > >
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                        > > >
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                        > > >
                        >
                        > > > --
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                        > > > Christopher S. Brudy
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                        > > >
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                        > > > "..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth." Gordon
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                        > > > Duff
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                        > > > "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb
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                      • Ellen H. Brodsky
                        They are still tabulating more AB Ballots?  There must have been lots of provisionals because Broward had so many last minute poll location changes, and lots
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                          They are still tabulating more AB Ballots? 

                          There must have been lots of provisionals because Broward had so many last minute poll location changes, and lots of undeliverable ab ballots returned to the soe because of forclosures and nonforwarding mail per FL law. There may also have been some problems with the FL Voter Registration Database.

                          The Moderator

                          --- On Wed, 8/25/10, gomarlinsgo <gomarlinsgo@...> wrote:

                          From: gomarlinsgo <gomarlinsgo@...>
                          Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                          To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                          Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 4:55 PM

                           

                          I don't know the numbers of prov or AB yet, there are more to be processed, maybe that's why they suspended tabulation.

                          --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, "Ellen H. Brodsky" <ehbrod@...> wrote:
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                          > How many provisional ballots have been cast so far and how many absentee ballots received, counted? How many absentee ballots returned to the soe as undeliverable? How many ab ballots were rejected and what were the reasons?
                          > Why was the tabulation suspended until 9 am morning according the soe website? What is happening now between 12 am Aug. 25 to Aug. 26, 5 pm?
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                          > I am sorry I did not post your response sooner. I have not had access to a computer and only sporadically since my computer crashed and in the throws of critical family business.
                          > And yes, I do appreciate the fact that you work in the election office. 
                          > The Moderator.
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                          > --- On Wed, 8/25/10, gomarlinsgo <gomarlinsgo@...> wrote:
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                          > From: gomarlinsgo <gomarlinsgo@...>
                          > Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                          > To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                          > Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 3:09 PM
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                          > Ellen didn't post my response to your previous entry. Maybe she keeps me on her list because I am probably the only one on the list who actually works in an election office (tabulation) and I know how it works. I don't need to share my true identity and it's not because I am afraid someone will find out I support secret voting because that is not true. I work very hard to code and test the ballots to be sure the election works properly and is tabulated properly. Have you ever attended an L&A where we prove the ballots are being counted correctly? Are you in the tabulation room making sure all the ballots are counted, in many cases having to duplicate hundreds of ballots because the voter did not follow instructions? I can assure you we bend over backwards to count each ballot. To say I don't is insulting, just like me saying all you effing attorneys are @ssholes and out to make a lot of money and I can get a lot of people to agree with me. Mine
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                          > --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@> wrote:
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                          > > I agree, but as I said before, "I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others."
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                          > > If someone wants to keep supporting secret vote counting, why don't they use their real name? Are they afraid that their neighbors might find out that they want a voting system that would be envied by Stalin? If so, perhaps they should think about their position before spouting it all the time and ridiculing others who just want the votes to be counted accurately.
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                          > > By the way, why is a secret vote counting proponent interested in this list anyway? Are they just doing their job for the powers that be by keeping an eye on us and trying to undermine real reform efforts?
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                          > > Come on, anonymous gomarlinslingo, give us a name to put with your advocacy for secret vote counting, and try to explain why a secret vote counting proponent should be on an election reform list. When he, she or it fails to do so, why don't you bounce him, her or it from this list?
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                          > > Does anyone else want an anonymous true believer in secret vote counting to be bounced? If so, chime in.
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                          > > Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
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                          > > To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
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                          > > From: ehbrod@
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                          > > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:44:33 -0700
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                          > > Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
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                          > > --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@> wrote:
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                          > > From: Mark Adams <markadamsatty@>
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                          > > Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
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                          > > To: "Election ReformYahoo" <electionreform@yahoogroups.com>
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                          > > Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 5:14 PM
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                          > > I'm glad that I checked this email account today. I love to hear a true believer who has absolute faith in the numbers spewed out by the computers.
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                          > > Did you know that the computers count the votes in secret and that no one checks to make sure that the votes were counted accurately on election day? Did you know that counting votes in secret is unconstitutional?
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                          > > I'm not surprised that you have never seen anyone fixing the vote count since no one can see a computer count, and almost no one has ever made an effort to see if the secret vote count was accurate.
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                          > > To see some of the proof that we obtained in the 2006 election contests, check out the link in my article Why Does the Government Ignore Our Wishes? at http://dailycensored.com/2009/09/11/why-does-the-government-ignore-our-wishes/ and don't miss my short speech.
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                          > > If you take a look, you'll learn why those in power and those who can improperly influence them get away with violating our rights, stealing elections, abusing their power, and committing horrible crimes. My article on torture includes a link to the U.S. Supreme Court case which explains how one of our stolen rights makes the difference between justice and injustice, between freedom and slavery.
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                          > > By the way, secret vote counting is specifically prohibited by the constitutions of some of the original states as well as a couple of U.S. Supreme Court cases. For example, see Virginia's Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL?!?! at
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                          > > http://dailycensored.com/2009/11/03/virginia%e2%80%99s-elections-are-unconstitutional/
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                          > > Finally, paper ballots were counted in public to determine the winners in elections across America for a long time, and there were several instances were elections were rigged by those in control of the count. However, the ballot boxes are supposed to be kept in public view until they are opened and the ballots are counted in public, and then, the results are supposed to be posted in public at each precinct so that they can be compared to the tally sheets at the SOE's office. This makes it very hard to steal an election because it requires a large number of people to participate in the conspiracy. This is why we know about these election thefts. Yet, when the ballots are counted in secret on a computer and no one checks to make sure they were counted accurately on election day at the precincts, it only takes one programmer or hacker to steal an election. This is why they get away with it so often.
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                          > > P.S. Why are anonymous commenters allowed on this list? I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others.
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                          > > From: gomarlinsgo@
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                          > > Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:59:11 +0000
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                          > > Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
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                          > > I am willing to bet $10,000 that when we do a big L&A with a specific pattern, the machines do a better job than the hand counters. In 2008, my friends in Broward had a huge test deck that took several boxes to store and it came out with the same result before and after the election. There is no way your hand count can do the same. Put up the money or STFU. And I don't care who wins, I'm NPA, and have never, ever seen anyone fixing the vote. Show me the proof that nothing coming from the machines can be known to be accurate. I say your are full of it. And I would NEVER EVER let you count the ballots. It's obvious you have an agenda and would probably do anything to help your candidate win. I would not risk going to jail so some corrupt politician would win. The audits continually prove that the machines counted correctly, or within allowable percentages. Fact is, we would never know who won if we let Guitar Chris Brudy touch the ballots.
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                          > > --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@> wrote:
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                          > > > Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud?
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                          > > > The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the
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                          > > > election. It has been proven, over and over, that nothing coming from the
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                          > > > machines can be known to be accurate.
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                          > > > After your arrest, isn't it important to note that no matter how we feel
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                          > > > about bi-partisanship, that certain partisans, obviously those in the
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                          > > > minority, will do anything they can to manipulate the vote? It's they only
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                          > > > way they can win. It's the only way they can get the keys to the vault.
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                          > > > Their solution is to replace humans with machines.
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                          > > > They will spend thousands of hours and thousands of pages of minutae to
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                          > > > obfuscate the reality: No One Knows Who Voted For Whom. Nobody knows who
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                          > > > got the most votes. Not even the programmers, who deal in percentages. The
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                          > > > actual vote is unknown, and will remain that way, until we hand count the
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                          > > > They don't care about non-partisanship except that it disarms the honest
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                          > > > majority. The people pushing the machines are as partisan as they can be.
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                          > > > There are 700,00 more Democrats than Republicans in Florida. How is it that
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                          > > > the Republicans hold power? It is blatantly simple. They "count" the
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                          > > > votes with their machines..
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                          > > > It is far past time to abandon the entire fight against the machines. There
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                          > > > is no need to compromise. We have a far better chance of salvaging our
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                          > > > republic by not playing the game, and by advocating the hand counting of
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                          > > > ballots in the precinct.
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                          > > > Face it, we will never know if a vote count is accurate unless we actually
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                          > > > count the votes.
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                          > > > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@> wrote:
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                          > > > > Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.
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                          > > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
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                          > > > > All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22
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                          > > > > months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before
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                          > > > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917477&fbid=433828334586&id=740974586>
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                          > > > > Broward Disappearing Ink and Early Voting Security Integrity.<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf>
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                          > > > > Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications
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                          > > > > programmed by the Broward IT?
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                          > > > > Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's
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                          > > > > Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero
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                          > > > > poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are
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                          > > > > signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election.
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                          > > > > I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used
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                          > > > > and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if
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                          > > > > the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information
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                          > > > > on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes
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                          > > > > cast on it.
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                          > > > > I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in
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                          > > > > Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than
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                          > > > > early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the
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                          > > > > location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes
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                          > > > > to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an
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                          > > > > audit be performed.
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                          > > > > Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests
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                          > > > > which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and
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                          > > > > accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.
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                          > > > > These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in
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                          > > > > Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to
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                          > > > > demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and
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                          > > > > Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling
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                          > > > > Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before
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                          > > > > the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on
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                          > > > > August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines
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                          > > > > opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly
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                          > > > > performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite
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                          > > > > how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public
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                          > > > > voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early
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                          > > > > Voting were opened before they officially passed the test.
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                          > > > > Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at
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                          > > > > early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the
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                          > > > > machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not
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                          > > > > allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly
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                          > > > > beforehand.
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                          > > > > I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on
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                          > > > > these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure
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                          > > > > that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked
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                          > > > > to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual
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                          > > > > voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to
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                          > > > > place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy
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                          > > > > tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless.
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                          > > > > In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years
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                          > > > > ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for
                          >
                          > > > > voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from
                          >
                          > > > > the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They
                          >
                          > > > > just do as they please, because they can get away with it.
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very
                          >
                          > > > > cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out
                          >
                          > > > > by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this
                          >
                          > > > > election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for
                          >
                          > > > > them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24,
                          >
                          > > > > regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen
                          >
                          > > > > observers.
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling
                          >
                          > > > > Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
                          >
                          > > > > Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and
                          >
                          > > > > IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.
                          >
                          > > > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > The following is some of my key observations.
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > So far *23219* have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
                          >
                          > > > > See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.
                          >
                          > > > > *Early Voting Turnout <http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3801>
                          >
                          > > > > *
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#%21/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album>
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010.
                          >
                          > > > > http://www.browardsoe.org/content.aspx?id=152
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early
                          >
                          > > > > voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting
                          >
                          > > > > on 07/29/10.
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the
                          >
                          > > > > election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were
                          >
                          > > > > working properly was on 8/4/10,
                          >
                          > > > > Public Notice of L and A and Canvassing Board Meeting<http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3684>
                          >
                          > > > > Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially
                          >
                          > > > > passed the test.
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > But the big news of the voting blogs was:
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > *A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:*
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with
                          >
                          > > > > arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact
                          >
                          > > > > the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response),
                          >
                          > > > > Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda
                          >
                          > > > > Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair
                          >
                          > > > > ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > > *...Unbelievable.*
                          >
                          > > > > *
                          >
                          > > > > *
                          >
                          > > > > *Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?*
                          >
                          > > > > *
                          >
                          > > > > *
                          >
                          > > > > Ellen H. Brodsky
                          >
                          > > > > Broward Election Reform Coalition
                          >
                          > > > > ehbrod@
                          >
                          > > > > 954-263-6032
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > > >
                          >
                          > > >
                          >
                          > > >
                          >
                          > > >
                          >
                          > > > --
                          >
                          > > > Christopher S. Brudy
                          >
                          > > >
                          >
                          > > > "..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth." Gordon
                          >
                          > > > Duff
                          >
                          > > > "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb
                          >
                          > > >
                          >
                          > >
                          >


                        • Guitar Chris Brudy
                          My, My, my anonymous GoMarlinsGo . You certainly get a bit testy and insulting, don t you. Your continued anonymity deserves negative comment, because you
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                            My, My, my anonymous "GoMarlinsGo".   You certainly get a bit testy and insulting, don't you.  Your continued anonymity deserves negative comment, because you haven't the courage to sign your diatribes.

                            That said, I'm sure you do your level best to ensure the accuracy of the machines.  However, when the tests are run, are they run on the same circuit and date of the actual election?  Honestly, how can you be sure there aren't a few lines of code buried in the root directory which lay dorment until a certain day?

                            perhaps you can.  Nonetheless there is only one certain way to determine the accuracy of the machine's tabulation:  The vote must be hand counted.

                            Englishmen and Americans have been counting votes by hand, in the precinct, immediatly after the polls close and before they are moved from the room, for hundreds of years.

                            Methinks you are just protecting your job.

                            Ellen, I don't believe you should allow anonymous posts.

                            On Wed, Aug 25, 2010 at 10:57 AM, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...> wrote:
                             

                            Ellen:
                             
                            I agree, but as I said before, "I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others." 
                             
                            If someone wants to keep supporting secret vote counting, why don't they use their real name?  Are they afraid that their neighbors might find out that they want a voting system that would be envied by Stalin?   If so, perhaps they should think about their position before spouting it all the time and ridiculing others who just want the votes to be counted accurately. 
                             
                            By the way, why is a secret vote counting proponent interested in this list anyway?  Are they just doing their job for the powers that be by keeping an eye on us and trying to undermine real reform efforts?
                             
                            Come on, anonymous gomarlinslingo, give us a name to put with your advocacy for secret vote counting, and try to explain why a secret vote counting proponent should be on an election reform list.  When he, she or it fails to do so, why don't you bounce him, her or it from this list? 
                             
                            Does anyone else want an anonymous true believer in secret vote counting to be bounced?  If so, chime in. 
                             
                            Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
                             


                            To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                            From: ehbrod@...
                            Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 14:44:33 -0700
                            Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.

                             
                            We cannot always sing to the choir. A little red meat is good to recharge the batteries. Opposing viewpoints are important.

                            The Moderator.

                            --- On Tue, 8/24/10, Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...> wrote:

                            From: Mark Adams <markadamsatty@...>
                            Subject: RE: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                            To: "Election ReformYahoo" <electionreform@yahoogroups.com>
                            Date: Tuesday, August 24, 2010, 5:14 PM

                             

                            Anonymous gomarlinslingo:
                             
                            I'm glad that I checked this email account today.  I love to hear a true believer who has absolute faith in the numbers spewed out by the computers. 
                             
                            Did you know that the computers count the votes in secret and that no one checks to make sure that the votes were counted accurately on election day?  Did you know that counting votes in secret is unconstitutional?
                             
                            I'm not surprised that you have never seen anyone fixing the vote count since no one can see a computer count, and almost no one has ever made an effort to see if the secret vote count was accurate.  
                             
                            To see some of the proof that we obtained in the 2006 election contests, check out the link in my article Why Does the Government Ignore Our Wishes? at http://dailycensored.com/2009/09/11/why-does-the-government-ignore-our-wishes/ and don’t miss my short speech.
                             
                            If you take a look, you’ll learn why those in power and those who can improperly influence them get away with violating our rights, stealing elections, abusing their power, and committing horrible crimes. My article on torture includes a link to the U.S. Supreme Court case which explains how one of our stolen rights makes the difference between justice and injustice, between freedom and slavery.
                             
                            By the way, secret vote counting is specifically prohibited by the constitutions of some of the original states as well as a couple of U.S. Supreme Court cases.  For example, see Virginia’s Elections Are UNCONSTITUTIONAL?!?! at
                            http://dailycensored.com/2009/11/03/virginia%e2%80%99s-elections-are-unconstitutional/
                             
                            Finally, paper ballots were counted in public to determine the winners in elections across America for a long time, and there were several instances were elections were rigged by those in control of the count.  However, the ballot boxes are supposed to be kept in public view until they are opened and the ballots are counted in public, and then, the results are supposed to be posted in public at each precinct so that they can be compared to the tally sheets at the SOE's office.  This makes it very hard to steal an election because it requires a large number of people to participate in the conspiracy.  This is why we know about these election thefts.  Yet, when the ballots are counted in secret on a computer and no one checks to make sure they were counted accurately on election day at the precincts, it only takes one programmer or hacker to steal an election.  This is why they get away with it so often.
                             
                            Are you still a true believer in secret vote counting?  If so, you probably will be happy to hear that Stalin liked it, too.
                             
                            Mark A. Adams JD/MBA
                             
                            P.S. Why are anonymous commenters allowed on this list?  I'm a true believer in free speech, but I feel that people should not be allowed to hide behind a fictitious name and take pot shots at others.   
                             
                             


                            To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                            From: gomarlinsgo@...
                            Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 19:59:11 +0000
                            Subject: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.

                             
                            I am willing to bet $10,000 that when we do a big L&A with a specific pattern, the machines do a better job than the hand counters. In 2008, my friends in Broward had a huge test deck that took several boxes to store and it came out with the same result before and after the election. There is no way your hand count can do the same. Put up the money or STFU. And I don't care who wins, I'm NPA, and have never, ever seen anyone fixing the vote. Show me the proof that nothing coming from the machines can be known to be accurate. I say your are full of it. And I would NEVER EVER let you count the ballots. It's obvious you have an agenda and would probably do anything to help your candidate win. I would not risk going to jail so some corrupt politician would win. The audits continually prove that the machines counted correctly, or within allowable percentages. Fact is, we would never know who won if we let Guitar Chris Brudy touch the ballots.


                            --- In electionreform@yahoogroups.com, Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > Ellen, who is perpetuating this massive obfuscation of fraud?
                            >
                            > The machine produced tapes mean absolutely nothing, before or after the
                            > election. It has been proven, over and over, that nothing coming from the
                            > machines can be known to be accurate.
                            >
                            > After your arrest, isn't it important to note that no matter how we feel
                            > about bi-partisanship, that certain partisans, obviously those in the
                            > minority, will do anything they can to manipulate the vote? It's they only
                            > way they can win. It's the only way they can get the keys to the vault.
                            > Their solution is to replace humans with machines.
                            >
                            > They will spend thousands of hours and thousands of pages of minutae to
                            > obfuscate the reality: No One Knows Who Voted For Whom. Nobody knows who
                            > got the most votes. Not even the programmers, who deal in percentages. The
                            > actual vote is unknown, and will remain that way, until we hand count the
                            > ballots.
                            >
                            > They don't care about non-partisanship except that it disarms the honest
                            > majority. The people pushing the machines are as partisan as they can be.
                            >
                            > There are 700,00 more Democrats than Republicans in Florida. How is it that
                            > the Republicans hold power? It is blatantly simple. They "count" the
                            > votes with their machines..
                            >
                            > It is far past time to abandon the entire fight against the machines. There
                            > is no need to compromise. We have a far better chance of salvaging our
                            > republic by not playing the game, and by advocating the hand counting of
                            > ballots in the precinct.
                            >
                            > Face it, we will never know if a vote count is accurate unless we actually
                            > count the votes.
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Ellen H. Brodsky <ehbrod@...> wrote:
                            >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Broward's Disappearing Ink Early Voting Poll Tapes.
                            > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
                            > >
                            > > All Federal and FL State Law require election records be held for 22
                            > > months. Broward's Poll Tapes are already beginning to disappear before
                            > > Election Day!
                            > >
                            > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917477&fbid=433828334586&id=740974586>
                            > >
                            > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917479&fbid=433828379586&id=740974586>
                            > >
                            > > <http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=4917480&fbid=433828384586&id=740974586>
                            > > Broward Disappearing Ink and Early Voting Security Integrity.<http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf>
                            > >
                            > > Audit this! Where is the serial number? What were the system specifications
                            > > programmed by the Broward IT?
                            > >
                            > > Every election cycle I observe poll closing and procedures at Broward's
                            > > Early Voting sites. At a minimum as time allows I do a beeline to the zero
                            > > poll tapes to make sure each voting machine is posted, whether the tapes are
                            > > signed and by whom and when the polls were actually opened for the election.
                            > > I look for system specifications to see which firmware version is being used
                            > > and what features of the program have been enabled or disabled. Usually, if
                            > > the zero tapes are posted, they will read 0, but it is the other information
                            > > on the tapes that identifies that voting machine in the audit data and votes
                            > > cast on it.
                            > >
                            > > I have been shocked to see that none of the early voting tapes ever in
                            > > Broward are embedded in the software the actual precinct location other than
                            > > early voting. This is usually written by poll workers on the tape at the
                            > > location, not in the software. That is why it is critical for audit purposes
                            > > to get the serial numbers of the voting machines and other info should an
                            > > audit be performed.
                            > >
                            > > Most other information and data can be gotten from public records requests
                            > > which has not been easily forthcoming in Broward County regarding logic and
                            > > accuracy reports, audit and system logs and other election specific data.
                            > >
                            > > These are DS 200 Early Voting Poll Tapes from the North Regional Library in
                            > > Coconut Creek. I have also included one IVotronic in the picture group to
                            > > demonstrate Broward SOE's IT staff's willful disregard for FL Statutes and
                            > > Polling Place Procedures that specifically state Early Voting is a Polling
                            > > Place and therefore, Zero Poll Tapes must be run on Election Day just before
                            > > the polls open and the first voter votes. This year early voting began on
                            > > August 9, 2010. Every election cycle in memory has early voting machines
                            > > opened for voting before the actual Logic and Accuracy tests are publicly
                            > > performed and weeks before the start of actual voting. Therefore, despite
                            > > how much internal testing the county performs, for early voting, public
                            > > voting is a beta test. Publicly the machines used in Broward during Early
                            > > Voting were opened before they officially passed the test.
                            > >
                            > > Years ago I asked the IT why they don't open the polls on election day at
                            > > early voting sites? He told me, they don't trust poll workers to open up the
                            > > machines without major problems. (glitches). The Broward SOE IT can not
                            > > allow this as they must be sure everything is opened and working properly
                            > > beforehand.
                            > >
                            > > I was shocked to see the zero tapes already beginning to lose the text on
                            > > these thermal tapes. Supposedly, the state tested these machines to insure
                            > > that data would remain for 22 months as required by law. I was not shocked
                            > > to see the polls were open for voting weeks before the start of actual
                            > > voting on August 9, 2010. In past elections IT made the decision not to
                            > > place in any precinct the actual machines tested at the Logic and Accuracy
                            > > tests which kind of makes the entire test meaningless.
                            > >
                            > > In fact the Election Protection Lawyers had written to Brenda Snipes years
                            > > ago regarding the security risks associated with opening the polls for
                            > > voting so far in advance of actual voting. There was never any reply from
                            > > the SOE regarding this administrative decision regarding early voting. They
                            > > just do as they please, because they can get away with it.
                            > >
                            > > However, the poll workers at early voting this year were actually very
                            > > cooperative instead of refusing to talk to me or threatening to throw me out
                            > > by police or security. I was very pleased to see the zero tapes posted this
                            > > election without me calling downtown and the election staff searching for
                            > > them in a tizzy. We will see what happens on Election Day August 24,
                            > > regarding sharing of precinct information at poll closing time with citizen
                            > > observers.
                            > >
                            > > Please see the picture album I was able to capture outside the Polling
                            > > Place at the North Regional Library in Coconut Creek.
                            > > Please see some of the captions describing the pictures of ES&S DS 200 and
                            > > IVotronic zero Poll Tapes.
                            > > http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=207002&id=740974586&ref=mf
                            > >
                            > > The following is some of my key observations.
                            > >
                            > > So far *23219* have been reported as of August 21, 2010.
                            > > See http://www.browardsoe.org for broward reporting.
                            > > *Early Voting Turnout <http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3801>
                            > > *
                            > >
                            > > Polls opened for voting 07/29/2010
                            > >
                            > > http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#!/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album<http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=740974586&ref=ts#%21/photo.php?pid=4917512&id=740974586&ref=fbx_album>
                            > >
                            > > Early Voting officially began Aug. 9, 2010.
                            > > http://www.browardsoe.org/content.aspx?id=152
                            > >
                            > > These pollworkers in good faith signed poll tape on 8/9/10 at the early
                            > > voting site. Noone signed the tape when the machines were opened for voting
                            > > on 07/29/10.
                            > >
                            > > Voting machines are supposed to by law be opened on the morning of the
                            > > election, ie., 8/9/10 for early voting.
                            > >
                            > > The Public logic and Accuracy test demonstrating that the machines were
                            > > working properly was on 8/4/10,
                            > > Public Notice of L and A and Canvassing Board Meeting<http://www.browardsoe.org/GetDocument.aspx?id=3684>
                            > > Broward's Early Voting Machines were opened before the county officially
                            > > passed the test.
                            > >
                            > > But the big news of the voting blogs was:
                            > >
                            > > "Broward Campaign Workers threatened with Arrest over Chair Bans".
                            > >
                            > > *A comment from a Broward County voting site sent to me from a volunteer:*
                            > >
                            > > At one point the County Administrator threatened campaign volunteers with
                            > > arrest if they brought their own folding chairs to sit in. I did contact
                            > > the county attorney (responded) , county commissioners (no response),
                            > > Brenda Snipes (supportive of reversing the ban), Mitch Caesar (let Brenda
                            > > Snipes deal with it), and several civil rights attorneys. Anyway the chair
                            > > ban is lifted. A small victory for participatory democracy.
                            > >
                            > > *...Unbelievable.*
                            > > *
                            > > *
                            > > *Perhaps they should have been observing the polls?*
                            > > *
                            > > *
                            > > Ellen H. Brodsky
                            > > Broward Election Reform Coalition
                            > > ehbrod@...
                            > > 954-263-6032
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            > >
                            >
                            >
                            >
                            > --
                            > Christopher S. Brudy
                            >
                            > "..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth." Gordon
                            > Duff
                            > "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb
                            >






                            --
                            Christopher S. Brudy

                            “..The scum rose to the top because we stopped valuing the truth."  Gordon Duff
                            "Hand Count the Vote, or Put on the Yoke" csb

                          • Ellen H. Brodsky
                            It took years for DiebThroat to surface. One day soon we will know the true identity of Gomarlinsgo. Either someone will pull the curtain, or GMG will come out
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                              It took years for DiebThroat to surface. One day soon we will know the true identity of Gomarlinsgo. Either someone will pull the curtain, or GMG will come out of the closet.

                              Cheers!

                              The Moderator.

                              --- On Wed, 8/25/10, Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@...> wrote:

                              From: Guitar Chris Brudy <csbrudy@...>
                              Subject: Re: [electionreform] Re: Audit This! Broward's Disappearing Ink Before Election Day & Early Voting Security, Integrity.
                              To: electionreform@yahoogroups.com
                              Cc: gomarlinsgo@...
                              Date: Wednesday, August 25, 2010, 5:34 PM

                               

                              My, My, my anonymous "GoMarlinsGo".   You certainly get a bit testy and insulting, don't you.  Your continued anonymity deserves negative comment, because you haven't the courage to sign your diatribes.

                              That said, I'm sure you do your level best to ensure the accuracy of the machines.  However, when the tests are run, are they run on the same circuit and date of the actual election?  Honestly, how can you be sure there aren't a few lines of code buried in the root directory which lay dorment until a certain day?

                              perhaps you can.  Nonetheless there is only one certain way to determine the accuracy of the machine's tabulation:  The vote must be hand counted.

                              Englishmen and Americans have been counting votes by hand, in the precinct, immediatly after the polls close and before they are moved from the room, for hundreds of years.

                              Methinks you are just protecting your job.

                              Ellen, I don't believe you should allow anonymous posts.



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