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  • al_radzik
    AS Rich Smith would say: Bingo ! This is the sand which the Eck Empire is built upon.
    Message 1 of 6 , Sep 20, 2011
      AS Rich Smith would say:

      "Bingo"!

      This is the sand which the Eck Empire is built upon.

      --- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hello All,
      > The trivia about Blavatsky's
      > Astral Plane theories and
      > "root races," as well as,
      > her mythological, off-beat
      > approach to cosmology is
      > somewhat interesting in that
      > Twitchell, obviously, copied
      > from her as well. Thus proving,
      > once again, that Eckankar
      > is not a very high "spiritual"
      > teaching. Quite the opposite,
      > actually, with a similar bent
      > towards a belief in the visitation
      > of Astral spiritual guides,
      > now, disguised as EK Masters.
      >
      > However, as I pointed out,
      > the Non-evolutionary Garden
      > of Eden Creation Myth with
      > "Adom" and "Ede" is the nail
      > in the coffin for Eckankar.
      >
      > Twitchell screwed up when
      > he stole and revised this story
      > from the Bible. This shows
      > how he created almost all
      > other Eckankar dogma... via
      > theft, revision, and deceit.
      > How can Eckists claim to
      > have the highest spiritual
      > teachings on the planet when
      > their first Holy Book contains
      > a revised myth?
      >
      > Klemp, too, has made the same
      > mistake in judgment by giving
      > credence to this ignorant and
      > pre-scientific non-evolutionary
      > creation myth... for a make believe
      > "root race" called Polarians.
      >
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > etznab wrote:
      > Some trivia about "root races" that I came across some time back.
      >
      > "[...] The last two sections of the Oera Linda Book, the writings of
      > Konered and Beden, contain a number of lacunae and the book itself
      > breaks off in mid-sentence. [....] The book articulates the first known
      > example of the concept of root races (though it does not call them
      > that), and probably influenced H.P. Blavatsky to develop her own,
      > much more elaborate ideas on the subject, as outlined in The Secret
      > Doctrine (1888).[citation needed] [....]"
      >
      > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda
      >
      > "Root Races are stages in human evolution in the esoteric cosmology of
      > theosophist Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, as described in her book The
      > Secret Doctrine (1888). These races were said to have existed on
      > now-lost continents. Blavatsky's model was developed by later
      > theosophists, most notably William Scott-Elliot in The Story of
      > Atlantis (1896) and The Lost Lemuria (1904). Annie Besant further
      > developed the model in Man: Whence, How and Whither (1913). Both Besant
      > and Scott-Elliot relied on information from Charles Webster Leadbeater
      > obtained by 'astral clairvoyance'. Further elaboration was provided by
      > Rudolf Steiner in Atlantis and Lemuria (1913).[1] Rudolf Steiner, and
      > subsequent theosophist authors, have called the time periods associated
      > with these races, Epochs (Steiner felt that the term 'race' was not
      > adequate anymore for modern humanity). [....]"
      >
      > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_Race
      >
      > "William Scott-Elliot (sometimes spelled Scott-Elliott) (d.1930) was a
      > theosophist who elaborated Helena Blavatsky's concept of root races in
      > several publications, most notably The Story of Atlantis (1896) and The
      > Lost Lemuria (1904), later combined in 1925 into a single volume called
      > The Story of Atlantis and the Lost Lemuria. [....]"
      >
      > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Scott-Elliot
      >
      >
      >
      > -----Original Message-----
      > From: David Osborn <panfluteman2000@>
      > To: eckankartruth <eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 9:27 am
      > Subject: Re: [eckankartruth] The Dark Side of Eckankar
      >
      > Â
      > I believe that the whole "root race" concept goes back to Madame
      > Blavatsky and the Theosophists. And I believe that Aryan was also one
      > of the Theosophical root races, which Hitler then took off and ran
      > with, and used to suit his ends. At least, that's what the History
      > Channel had to say about it - but there may have been some garbling
      > there as well.
      >
      > David
      > --- On Mon, 9/19/11, prometheus_973 prometheus_973@
      > wrote:
      >
      > From: prometheus_973 prometheus_973@
      > Subject: [eckankartruth] The Dark Side of Eckankar
      > To: eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 12:08 AM
      >
      > Hello All,
      > Most Eckists have turned
      > a blind eye towards the
      > dogma of their religion.
      > However, it's done via
      > Klemp's subtle and not
      > so subtle intimidation
      > tactics such as:
      >
      > Having them go to the "inner"
      > to have one's questions answered.
      > This is what the more "advanced"
      > and "enlightened" Eckists are to
      > do.
      >
      > Using the Buddha quote of, "Is
      > it true, is it necessary, is it kind"
      > this I ask myself before I speak
      > my mind, as a means to silence
      > Eckists via guilt and shame.
      >
      > HK writing articles and giving
      > talks on the negativity of gossip
      > and how it hinders one's "spiritual"
      > growth. This is another technique
      > used to silence Eckists.
      >
      > Also, there's the unspoken knowledge
      > that those chelas who ask too many
      > questions, especially "wrong" questions,
      > will get Black Listed on initiations or
      > have them slowed down 3-5 years
      > (on average) longer than normal.
      > RESA spys are everywhere... honest!
      >
      > Plus, Eckankar's Higher Initiates
      > (5-7) are a very passive group
      > and don't want to question the
      > foundation of their religion because
      > things are going okay so why rock
      > the boat? Being an H.I. is an ego
      > trip with a security blanket built
      > in.
      >
      > And, let's face it, most Eckists don't
      > have the time or inclination to research
      > the old, P.T., Eckankar texts. They've
      > read it all before so why go back and
      > reread it with new eyes and a changed
      > consciousness? Besides, there are too
      > many contradictions and this becomes
      > a nuisance for the mind to ponder
      > when there is nothing that can be done.
      > However, it does make one wonder
      > why H.I.s have allowed themselves
      > to be shackled to HK's simple minded
      > logic and dogma when it's all based
      > upon Twitchell's "compilation."
      >
      > In PT's Eckankar Dictionary, Shariyat
      > One and HK's First Lexicon, they
      > tell about the first "root race" called
      > the "POLARIANS." Klemp must agree
      > with Twitchell on this dogmatic information
      > since he put it into his own 1998
      > Eckankar Lexicon, Sea of Cosmic Words.
      >
      > But, do Eckists really believe in the
      > Old Testament Christian Myth about
      > the Garden of Eden? Actually, no,
      > they don't! I've even read on ECK
      > Internet sites where they've made
      > fun of this. How ironic!
      >
      > Twitchell not only states that the
      > Garden of Eden existed but gives
      > his own (revised) names of those
      > present. In the ECK version Adam
      > becomes "Adom" and Eve becomes
      > "Ede" (like in Eden) This is, of course,
      > a clear picture of how Twitchell
      > created Eckankar. He took certain
      > words, names, and information
      > and copied or changed the text,
      > letters and names around while
      > making the "new" info his own.
      >
      > What's really funny is that Klemp,
      > in defense of Twitchell, has claimed
      > that Paul "compiled" only the highest
      > teachings from around the world
      > in order to create the highest "spiritual"
      > teaching anywhere and at anytime.
      >
      > Why then, did Twitchell use the
      > Garden of Eden myth, and create
      > Adom and Ede? Is this supposed
      > to be the actual account while the
      > Christian version is less accurate?
      > This is how Eckists have been brain
      > washed to rationalize and explain
      > everything. They claim that ECK
      > is a facsimile and everything
      > else is a copy. However, the Polarian
      > Garden of Eden Myth proves that
      > Eckankar is a distorted copy as well.
      >
      > It really should be embarrassing,
      > for Eckists, since this information
      > is listed in their first Holy Book
      > under Polarian root race (check
      > the index for the page number).
      >
      > Plus, let's face it. This Garden
      > of Eden myth is a non-evolutionary
      > belief. It was devised during a
      > time of ignorance and pre-science
      > in order to give a religious explanation
      > for creation. And, it's been revised
      > even by early Christianity because
      > Lillith was supposed to have been
      > Adam's first wife who was created
      > as an equal with him.
      >
      > Later, the creation myth story was
      > changed so that Eve was created
      > from Adam's rib in order to make
      > her subservient to him... as Eckists
      > (especially women) are subservient
      > to Klemp. Thus, no female LEMs
      > and Mahantas are permitted due
      > to some hokey negative atom
      > ekplanation.
      >
      >
      > Eckists are in denial of the truth
      > as they continue to pretend they
      > are advanced Souls. The mind is
      > a very powerful tool and that's
      > why Eckankar, on the surface,
      > appears to work for Eckists. The
      > mind will give one the dreams
      > and "signs" that are programmed
      > into it via suggestion and expectation.
      > However, isn't this the modus
      > operandi of all religions? If one
      > just Googles "miracles" one can
      > see examples of faith and belief
      > that would put any Eckist to shame.
      >
      > I have to ask: After all this time
      > with Klemp, still, slowing down
      > initiations, and still using the 6th
      > Astral Third-Eye Chakra to focus
      > upon when HUing, and still believing
      > in a non-evolutionary Creation
      > Myth why don't Eckists see the
      > truth? Apparently, they have tied
      > up their camels, to a fraudent belief,
      > and now, trust In a make believe
      > God/Mahanta...Klemp? For these
      > longtime Eckists, denial seems to
      > have become the Easy Way!
      >
      > Prometheus
      >
    • harrisonferrel
      Polonians? How about full of Polonians ? People don t question the nonsense. They put it out of their minds just like with every other religion.
      Message 2 of 6 , Oct 12, 2011
        Polonians? How about "full of Polonians"?

        People don't question the nonsense. They put it out of their minds just like with every other religion.


        --- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, al_radzik <no_reply@...> wrote:
        >
        > AS Rich Smith would say:
        >
        > "Bingo"!
        >
        > This is the sand which the Eck Empire is built upon.
        >
        > --- In eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@> wrote:
        > >
        > > Hello All,
        > > The trivia about Blavatsky's
        > > Astral Plane theories and
        > > "root races," as well as,
        > > her mythological, off-beat
        > > approach to cosmology is
        > > somewhat interesting in that
        > > Twitchell, obviously, copied
        > > from her as well. Thus proving,
        > > once again, that Eckankar
        > > is not a very high "spiritual"
        > > teaching. Quite the opposite,
        > > actually, with a similar bent
        > > towards a belief in the visitation
        > > of Astral spiritual guides,
        > > now, disguised as EK Masters.
        > >
        > > However, as I pointed out,
        > > the Non-evolutionary Garden
        > > of Eden Creation Myth with
        > > "Adom" and "Ede" is the nail
        > > in the coffin for Eckankar.
        > >
        > > Twitchell screwed up when
        > > he stole and revised this story
        > > from the Bible. This shows
        > > how he created almost all
        > > other Eckankar dogma... via
        > > theft, revision, and deceit.
        > > How can Eckists claim to
        > > have the highest spiritual
        > > teachings on the planet when
        > > their first Holy Book contains
        > > a revised myth?
        > >
        > > Klemp, too, has made the same
        > > mistake in judgment by giving
        > > credence to this ignorant and
        > > pre-scientific non-evolutionary
        > > creation myth... for a make believe
        > > "root race" called Polarians.
        > >
        > >
        > > Prometheus
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > etznab wrote:
        > > Some trivia about "root races" that I came across some time back.
        > >
        > > "[...] The last two sections of the Oera Linda Book, the writings of
        > > Konered and Beden, contain a number of lacunae and the book itself
        > > breaks off in mid-sentence. [....] The book articulates the first known
        > > example of the concept of root races (though it does not call them
        > > that), and probably influenced H.P. Blavatsky to develop her own,
        > > much more elaborate ideas on the subject, as outlined in The Secret
        > > Doctrine (1888).[citation needed] [....]"
        > >
        > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oera_Linda
        > >
        > > "Root Races are stages in human evolution in the esoteric cosmology of
        > > theosophist Helena Petrovna Blavatsky, as described in her book The
        > > Secret Doctrine (1888). These races were said to have existed on
        > > now-lost continents. Blavatsky's model was developed by later
        > > theosophists, most notably William Scott-Elliot in The Story of
        > > Atlantis (1896) and The Lost Lemuria (1904). Annie Besant further
        > > developed the model in Man: Whence, How and Whither (1913). Both Besant
        > > and Scott-Elliot relied on information from Charles Webster Leadbeater
        > > obtained by 'astral clairvoyance'. Further elaboration was provided by
        > > Rudolf Steiner in Atlantis and Lemuria (1913).[1] Rudolf Steiner, and
        > > subsequent theosophist authors, have called the time periods associated
        > > with these races, Epochs (Steiner felt that the term 'race' was not
        > > adequate anymore for modern humanity). [....]"
        > >
        > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_Race
        > >
        > > "William Scott-Elliot (sometimes spelled Scott-Elliott) (d.1930) was a
        > > theosophist who elaborated Helena Blavatsky's concept of root races in
        > > several publications, most notably The Story of Atlantis (1896) and The
        > > Lost Lemuria (1904), later combined in 1925 into a single volume called
        > > The Story of Atlantis and the Lost Lemuria. [....]"
        > >
        > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Scott-Elliot
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > -----Original Message-----
        > > From: David Osborn <panfluteman2000@>
        > > To: eckankartruth <eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com>
        > > Sent: Mon, Sep 19, 2011 9:27 am
        > > Subject: Re: [eckankartruth] The Dark Side of Eckankar
        > >
        > > Â
        > > I believe that the whole "root race" concept goes back to Madame
        > > Blavatsky and the Theosophists. And I believe that Aryan was also one
        > > of the Theosophical root races, which Hitler then took off and ran
        > > with, and used to suit his ends. At least, that's what the History
        > > Channel had to say about it - but there may have been some garbling
        > > there as well.
        > >
        > > David
        > > --- On Mon, 9/19/11, prometheus_973 prometheus_973@
        > > wrote:
        > >
        > > From: prometheus_973 prometheus_973@
        > > Subject: [eckankartruth] The Dark Side of Eckankar
        > > To: eckankartruth@yahoogroups.com
        > > Date: Monday, September 19, 2011, 12:08 AM
        > >
        > > Hello All,
        > > Most Eckists have turned
        > > a blind eye towards the
        > > dogma of their religion.
        > > However, it's done via
        > > Klemp's subtle and not
        > > so subtle intimidation
        > > tactics such as:
        > >
        > > Having them go to the "inner"
        > > to have one's questions answered.
        > > This is what the more "advanced"
        > > and "enlightened" Eckists are to
        > > do.
        > >
        > > Using the Buddha quote of, "Is
        > > it true, is it necessary, is it kind"
        > > this I ask myself before I speak
        > > my mind, as a means to silence
        > > Eckists via guilt and shame.
        > >
        > > HK writing articles and giving
        > > talks on the negativity of gossip
        > > and how it hinders one's "spiritual"
        > > growth. This is another technique
        > > used to silence Eckists.
        > >
        > > Also, there's the unspoken knowledge
        > > that those chelas who ask too many
        > > questions, especially "wrong" questions,
        > > will get Black Listed on initiations or
        > > have them slowed down 3-5 years
        > > (on average) longer than normal.
        > > RESA spys are everywhere... honest!
        > >
        > > Plus, Eckankar's Higher Initiates
        > > (5-7) are a very passive group
        > > and don't want to question the
        > > foundation of their religion because
        > > things are going okay so why rock
        > > the boat? Being an H.I. is an ego
        > > trip with a security blanket built
        > > in.
        > >
        > > And, let's face it, most Eckists don't
        > > have the time or inclination to research
        > > the old, P.T., Eckankar texts. They've
        > > read it all before so why go back and
        > > reread it with new eyes and a changed
        > > consciousness? Besides, there are too
        > > many contradictions and this becomes
        > > a nuisance for the mind to ponder
        > > when there is nothing that can be done.
        > > However, it does make one wonder
        > > why H.I.s have allowed themselves
        > > to be shackled to HK's simple minded
        > > logic and dogma when it's all based
        > > upon Twitchell's "compilation."
        > >
        > > In PT's Eckankar Dictionary, Shariyat
        > > One and HK's First Lexicon, they
        > > tell about the first "root race" called
        > > the "POLARIANS." Klemp must agree
        > > with Twitchell on this dogmatic information
        > > since he put it into his own 1998
        > > Eckankar Lexicon, Sea of Cosmic Words.
        > >
        > > But, do Eckists really believe in the
        > > Old Testament Christian Myth about
        > > the Garden of Eden? Actually, no,
        > > they don't! I've even read on ECK
        > > Internet sites where they've made
        > > fun of this. How ironic!
        > >
        > > Twitchell not only states that the
        > > Garden of Eden existed but gives
        > > his own (revised) names of those
        > > present. In the ECK version Adam
        > > becomes "Adom" and Eve becomes
        > > "Ede" (like in Eden) This is, of course,
        > > a clear picture of how Twitchell
        > > created Eckankar. He took certain
        > > words, names, and information
        > > and copied or changed the text,
        > > letters and names around while
        > > making the "new" info his own.
        > >
        > > What's really funny is that Klemp,
        > > in defense of Twitchell, has claimed
        > > that Paul "compiled" only the highest
        > > teachings from around the world
        > > in order to create the highest "spiritual"
        > > teaching anywhere and at anytime.
        > >
        > > Why then, did Twitchell use the
        > > Garden of Eden myth, and create
        > > Adom and Ede? Is this supposed
        > > to be the actual account while the
        > > Christian version is less accurate?
        > > This is how Eckists have been brain
        > > washed to rationalize and explain
        > > everything. They claim that ECK
        > > is a facsimile and everything
        > > else is a copy. However, the Polarian
        > > Garden of Eden Myth proves that
        > > Eckankar is a distorted copy as well.
        > >
        > > It really should be embarrassing,
        > > for Eckists, since this information
        > > is listed in their first Holy Book
        > > under Polarian root race (check
        > > the index for the page number).
        > >
        > > Plus, let's face it. This Garden
        > > of Eden myth is a non-evolutionary
        > > belief. It was devised during a
        > > time of ignorance and pre-science
        > > in order to give a religious explanation
        > > for creation. And, it's been revised
        > > even by early Christianity because
        > > Lillith was supposed to have been
        > > Adam's first wife who was created
        > > as an equal with him.
        > >
        > > Later, the creation myth story was
        > > changed so that Eve was created
        > > from Adam's rib in order to make
        > > her subservient to him... as Eckists
        > > (especially women) are subservient
        > > to Klemp. Thus, no female LEMs
        > > and Mahantas are permitted due
        > > to some hokey negative atom
        > > ekplanation.
        > >
        > >
        > > Eckists are in denial of the truth
        > > as they continue to pretend they
        > > are advanced Souls. The mind is
        > > a very powerful tool and that's
        > > why Eckankar, on the surface,
        > > appears to work for Eckists. The
        > > mind will give one the dreams
        > > and "signs" that are programmed
        > > into it via suggestion and expectation.
        > > However, isn't this the modus
        > > operandi of all religions? If one
        > > just Googles "miracles" one can
        > > see examples of faith and belief
        > > that would put any Eckist to shame.
        > >
        > > I have to ask: After all this time
        > > with Klemp, still, slowing down
        > > initiations, and still using the 6th
        > > Astral Third-Eye Chakra to focus
        > > upon when HUing, and still believing
        > > in a non-evolutionary Creation
        > > Myth why don't Eckists see the
        > > truth? Apparently, they have tied
        > > up their camels, to a fraudent belief,
        > > and now, trust In a make believe
        > > God/Mahanta...Klemp? For these
        > > longtime Eckists, denial seems to
        > > have become the Easy Way!
        > >
        > > Prometheus
        > >
        >
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