I posted this critique of Klemp's
March 2011 Mystic World article
on ESA. HK's article is titled,
"Love--What Would We Do without It?"
It seems that an ECKist was doing
a Google search and found ESA
and my comments! Apparently
she didn't like me taking HK's
"positive" message, i.e. "gem,"
and bisecting it.
One problem with Eckankar, and
Klemp, is that ECKists don't have
the same rights, or Freedom of Speech
and thought, as even Catholics do!
Catholics, priests included, can at
least disagree with the Pope and his
opinions. ECKists are Not permitted
to disagree with Klemp's opinions,
although, his opinions and teachings
are all presented and expressed via
the physical, emotional, causal, and
mental planes. Just like with this
article I critiqued; HK used his mind
to write it and physical means to
deliver it to his flock of gullible sheep.
-- On Tue, 3/1/11, Briana <brianac1964@...> wrote:
From: Briana <brianac1964@...>
Subject: Re: It's Easy, Being the Mahanta
To: "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 1, 2011, 7:47 AM
I was doing a google search on Sri
Harold's article (spiritual food as you say)
and happened to find this gem (not-so-
spiritual vomit). I think you should take
a look at yourself and ask why you are
obsessed with attacking a positive message.
Do you do this with every new piece Sri
Harold writes? That would be pretty pathetic.
> --- In EckankarSurvivorsAnonymous@yahoogroups.com,
> "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
> > I just looked at the March 2011,
> > The Mystic World of Eckankar
> > recently sent to me, and Klemp's
> > front page article is titled, "Love--
> > What Would We Do without It?"
> > I'm not sure why "without" wasn't
> > capitalized are you? Anyway, it's
> > funny how Klemp seems to state
> > the obvious and then puts his
> > Eckie spin on the topic and adds
> > his opinions while tweaking the
> > original story.
> > In this article Klemp shares some
> > "stories" by "Barry" and "Dana"
> > while adding his comments and
> > putting his own POV and Eck spin
> > on them.
> > In Barry's EK story he had a small
> > potted tree that wasn't doing well
> > and Barry became disgusted with
> > it and withheld his "love" from the
> > tree and it became worse. BUT,
> > Barry "knew" the reason why it got
> > worse... he had withheld his "love."
> > Therefore, Barry, now, gave the tree
> > more care and attention and new
> > leaves began to appear! WOW!
> > Who would have thought that
> > some water, light, fertilizer and
> > insect spray (plus love) would help
> > a plant to grow!
> > Anyway, "Barry jokes, 'I am turning
> > over a new leaf."' Get it, H.I.s are
> > called "Brothers of the Leaf." LOL!
> > So, that's quite a "spiritual" story
> > the Mahanta is sharing. Eckists
> > must really feel Full Of It (spiritual
> > food) after all of that was shared
> > with them! LOL!
> > BTW- I remember a long time ago,
> > and even when Klemp was in charge,
> > that we were told NOT to share our
> > spiritual stories because people could
> > ridicule them and it was like "casting
> > your pearls before swine." But now
> > it's encouraged because Klemp, the
> > Mahanta, needs material.
> > Okay, next we have "Dana's" story.
> > This one involves a cat versus a
> > plant as in "Barry's" story. Oh, I
> > also see that Klemp is doing some
> > name dropping as well. Kata Daki
> > is mentioned probably because this
> > is the Only Female EK Master, and
> > "Dana" is female. Prajapati is mentioned
> > because he is the EK Master over
> > animals and Dana has a cat. I wonder,
> > which Catholic Saints would these
> > EK Masters correspond to. Mother
> > Mary for women (?) and which for
> > animals... St. Francis!
> > So, let's get on with Dana's story
> > that Klemp is modifying/tweeking.
> > Okay, Dana is a teacher's aide and
> > over the years has developed "fears,
> > worries, and problems" and unable
> > to "turn them over to the Mahanta
> > for resolution." Therefore, these
> > ECK Masters have come to her now
> > "to show her how to let go of some
> > cares and fears."
> > Why did they (the Mahanta/Klemp)
> > wait so long in showing up since
> > HK stated that Dana has "Over the
> > years," been "hounded by fear" etc.
> > Apparently, most ECKists tend to
> > overlook details because faith
> > requires total belief, a blind eye,
> > and a deaf ear. But, this is what
> > makes being the Mahanta so easy!
> > So, Klemp states that Dana's problems
> > were what helped her to open her heart.
> > WOW! I guess that most of the world
> > is experiencing this same "spiritual"
> > lesson! Anyway, Dana next begins to
> > look for "signs." She saw a large orange
> > cat (versus blue?) sitting on a driveway
> > across the street and that triggered
> > a connection to an ECK Master, of course!
> > Dana had been to that school before
> > and had never seen that cat before.
> > Strange! After her meeting she came
> > outside and the cat was gone! Another
> > mysterious event (sign)!
> > Dana needed to return to that school
> > (building) later that day, but decided
> > to go to a park to do a spiritual exercise.
> > I guess that this is another reason for
> > Klemp choosing this story. It includes
> > "instructions" and the "need" for doing
> > the S.E. This is very basic stuff taught
> > since day one. Okay, so "Dana" decides
> > to do the "Snow Ball" technique. This is
> > kind of funny, for me, because I taught
> > this same Snow Ball technique in a workshop
> > probably some 25 years ago.
> > So, Dana starts out with a HU. Klemp
> > was able to get that into the story as
> > well... very good, but predictable.
> > Anyway, after the S.E. she returns to
> > school for her meeting. BTW- The "cat"
> > was not across the street. Hmmm, very
> > mysterious. She still had time for her
> > meeting and decided to do a brief HU
> > before going inside and then she heard
> > a thump on the side of her car. Okay,
> > can anyone guess what just happened?
> > Really, this is a "spiritual sign" and a
> > minor miracle at least! Come on, guess
> > what caused the "thump." Right, it was
> > that orange cat! He was perched on her
> > side mirror and then jumped in through
> > her open window. Oh btw, before he jumped
> > in Dana says that he first peered in "as if
> > to say, 'Let me in, will you?" As if? Really?
> > Wow! Pretending can lead to serious
> > delusions, but that's what religion is
> > all about... imagining what you want
> > and need.
> > Okay, back to the cat and the moral
> > of the story. The cat jumped in and
> > crossed to the passenger seat and
> > "curled up into a ball (you know, like
> > a furry snow ball), and purred." The
> > cat "showed Absolutely No Fear."
> > Now, either Dana or Klemp, I'm not
> > sure which reads the cat's mind.
> > "He sensed that Dana needed to
> > leave. He jumped into the backseat
> > and waited for her to open the back
> > door. Then he made a graceful exit.
> > Such unconditional love!"
> > Interesting that Klemp uses the terms
> > "graceful" and then "unconditional
> > love." See how easy it is to for "spiritual
> > signs" to pop up! So, Dana has been
> > going through a tough time for years
> > and it took this long for a cat to jump
> > through her open window while sitting
> > in a parking lot and for her to turn this
> > into an experience with an EK Master
> > and to receive unconditional love. Why
> > does she need someone outside of herself
> > as Soul to look to?
> > "Dana knew the Mahanta was telling
> > her to keep doing what she was doing
> > and let him take care of her worries,
> > fear, and problems. And to venture out,
> > to accept love that comes her way. What
> > would we do without love?"
> > Thus, belief in Klemp/the Mahanta, is
> > a mental thing as it is with all other
> > religions. It's what you make of it and
> > what you see and believe to be true.
> > One has to use their imagination and
> > then give Klemp, or someone other
> > than Self the credit when things turn
> > out okay. BUT, what happens when the
> > Mahanta doesn't come through with
> > his promises? Who's fault is that? It's
> > never Klemp's fault or responsibility
> > even when it takes years for someone
> > like "Dana" to have a "spiritual ekperience."
> > And it's not until it's, finally, validated
> > in writing, via snail mail, by Klemp.
> > Prometheus