Re: [eckankartruth] Re: A little rant
Thanks for the megarant!
--- On Thu, 10/21/10, prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
From: prometheus_973 <prometheus_973@...>
Subject: [eckankartruth] Re: A little rant
Date: Thursday, October 21, 2010, 10:52 AMHello All,
Interesting perspectives! Other than Twitch
and Gail's role in this deception (Eckankar)
we also have Darwin and Klemp's version/
deception. IMO-Klemp, by far, is the worst
of the three.
BTW- In regards to that PT quote, I too
recognize some of that from other sources
and it sounds like something I or any of
us former Eckists would say. Paul probably
paraphrased it as he did with most of what
he wrote. Thus, he "tweaked" it in order for
his revised Eastern "spiritual message" to
fit-in with Western society and our expectations.
Also, two key elements that Twit eliminated
(revised) were the Sant Mat requirements
of chastity and vegetarianism.
Klemp has taken Paul's revised Eastern
approach and revised it even further to
fit-in with his Christian views/training.
Therefore, Eckankar has become a watered
down blend of the Eckankar that attracted
these long-time Eckists in the first place!
Klemp, also, took a similar approach to
what David mentioned by keeping Eckists
distracted and preoccupied with busy work
and focused upon their own shortcomings
versus that of their leader. Guilt and blame
always falls upon the shoulders of chelas
and H.I.s. Plus, none of the LEMs ever felt
the need to divulge Eckankar's financial
records to the membership. This was one
reason Klemp moved Eckankar out of Calif.
due to the new open disclosure laws for
Is Eckankar more or as sinister than/as
other religions? No, however, it has the
potential to be as sinister. The secrecy
(of doing business) and the intimidation
practices (involving initiations) along with
the unquestionable and unchallenged
power that Klemp welds makes Eckankar
a potentially sinister religion. Klemp has
stated that he's "not perfect" but his
opinions and rules cannot be questioned...
like the Pope, except, HK was "elected"
by a "Black Magician." Klemp's a dictator
that has the potential to go off the deep
end and take others with him.
However, IMO, there is one litmus test
that all religions must pass in order to
determine their danger to society.
How do they treat women?
That's the key. Because if they treat
their own (mothers, sisters, wives, etc.)
with cruelty then they are extremely
dangerous and not really "spiritual"
Eckankar is typical in that women
cannot ever occupy the top position,
although, all Souls are supposedly
equal to all other Souls. It's a contradiction
that is explained away due to the
differences between the "outer" coarse
lower plane vibrations and that of
the "inner" plane bodies and realities.
Except, Soul is still Soul on the physical
as it is on the higher planes and I
don't believe that physical world
physics/science would uphold PT's
(Eckankar's) convoluted positive/
negative atom myth in regard to
men versus women.
Taking this Soul=Soul thing further
one has to wonder why Eckists have
placed Klemp upon a pedestal above
themselves when they are supposedly
equals. It's probably because equality
is never really promoted in Eckankar.
The initiations prevent any possibility
of this ever happening.
Anyway, it just tickles me as being
really funny that I too fell for the
"positive versus negative atom"
reason as to why women can't be
the Top God/Dog of the outer
Eckankar hierarchy. How naive and
trusting I was! And, long-time H.I.s
(RESAs too) still believe/accept this
Really! Eckists think that they are on
the most advanced/direct spiritual
path to God and that they are advanced
Souls with a very "high" consciousness
led by the most advanced (14th Plane)
God-man anywhere... the LEM/Mahanta...
Harold Klemp. Yet, Eckists are willing
to accept this ridiculous ekplanation!
But what else is false? This is why they
are afraid of opening a Pandora's box
and why they accept anything Klump
tells them. They don't want to know
the truth because that would mean
their whole imaginary world they have
built upon would collapse. Then what?
Klemp has encouraged Eckists to take
the same "leap-of-faith" that Christian
based religious followers have taken.
Eckists have put their blinders on so
that they don't have to see the truth!
Seeing the truth would lead them to
freedom from religion and they aren't
ready for that. Thus, they are trapped
and, yet, this too is their "test."
Anyway, other than that Eckankar does
treat women as equals to men. However,
it makes me wonder...
If Klemp concocted a special "Cool Aid"
death mix of some sort... (in order to be
transported immediately to Agam Lok, etc.)
how many loyal EK followers would drink it?
Yes, being made to feel deficient or lacking in some way is probably the basis of all religious and cultic conversion and manipulation. I was involved with a certain yoga cult in Romania after I drifted out of Eckankar, in which I saw that the rank and file members were held in check and kept preoccupied with working on their own supposed shortcomings, which were pointed out to them by the guru and the leaders, as a kind of smokescreen to keep the followers from looking too deeply into the leaders' shenanigans behind the scenes.
Nevertheless, in many ways, the whole Eck manipulation by making someone feel deficient or lacking is nowhere near as bad as the huge burden of guilt and sinfulness that is put upon members of a fundamentalist or evangelical Christian sect. One of Paul Twitchell's written sayings that I liked the most, and identified with most strongly, is this:
"Man is a god clothed in rags, a master of the universe going about begging for a crust of bread. He could be free. He has only to step out of his own self made prison, because no one holds him there but himself."
In fact, it sounds so good that Paul Twitchell probably had to have lifted it or plagiarized it from somewhere - does anybody know where?
And here is a deeper existential question for you all: Which is better, and which is worse: a religious teaching that makes you feel deficient in relation to a hyperinflated superglorious pie in the sky ideal, or a religous teaching that makes you feel deficient by telling you that you are a sinful wretch to begin with, and the scum of the earth? To me, the fundamentalist and puritanical Christian way of doing the latter is far more injurious and destructive. Nevertheless, you might argue that the former, being a subtler and seemingly more benign form of teaching, is more insidious and misleading...
Yes that's exactly how it is, you are somehow always deficient in someway and the attempt to convert you can be subtle to very overbearing. I remember one man using a technique he had obviously been taught in which he was attempting to convince me of some "void" I must be experiencing and so must accept Jesus in some form of totality. For many this works because in fact, no matter what your religious beliefs, the human condition always involves never measuring up to some ultimate Ideal or perfection. We are beings in process, and we will all at some time die and in that process will experience loss. That someone can convince you that there is an actual eternal Happiness or even never ending euphoria is absurd and may even be a leading you down the road to a very unhappy life and self-hate.
eckankar is just the creation of a false self, divorced from living as good a life as you can. Compassion to me is key. We must not give into the temptation of delusional Grandiosity that will then lead to a crashing down into the depths of despair. Belief in these Initiations is the height of egoism, as well as the conviction that some man or person in a photo is your personal eck God. (gagging):<
From what I understand about Tao and other similar world views is that a balance is the key, and to borrow in an eclectic fashion, compassion begins with yourself. Depending on your childhood and cultural formation and conditioning, this may be easy or more difficult to become self-actualized in this way. Often finding nice, caring friends or a Therapist is a good way to go.
I also find it interesting that children are usually the ones to have the happiest moments of laughter and glee, especially if they come from homes in which they are respected, nurtured and not neglected or abused. Hillary had it right in her book It Takes a Village. Just think how different Society would be if the center of concern was on Children. It's not Rocket Science.
In My Opinion IMO
Tygerpurr ; )
This has all been said before in far more eloquent ways, but I guess I'll repeat it once again:
Notice how many spiritual teachings assert that they are the best, highest, most direct, most advanced, fastest? In so many instances of contact I've had with followers of religion, it usually boils down to them "teaching" me something they presume to know that I lack, before they even know anything about me, thus asserting superiority to me in some way, and essentially offering me a way to enjoy the superiority that they enjoy, by following their path.
But isn't that the antithesis to spirituality? Isn't love, cooperation, working together, helping each other, all in humility, what really matters most of all, and isn't it true that spiritual elitism is what so often gets in the way of that?
And when a religious person tries to convert another person to their teaching of "love," aren't they presuming they have more love than the person they're trying to convert? Aren't they trying to thrust a master/follower template on the prospective member? And isn't that a poor way to begin a relationship with another person? To expect submission rather than equality?
On a.r.e., most debates come down to people telling me I left eckankar because I failed to understand the "inner teachings", and yet they are the ones falling prey to the delusions of superiority offered by Eckankar, which is a factor shared by so many religions.
And that somehow makes them higher?
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