Discourse & discussion on "inner" vs "outer" eckist
- Subject: Re: The Mission
From: "Sharon2000" <brighttigr...@...>
Date: 12 Nov 2002 16:18:17 GMT
Organization: Eckankar Sucks
joe_m...@... (Joe) wrote:
> "Ken" <kah...@...> wrote in messageyour
> > Sam wrote...
> > >
> > Sharon wrote...
> > > >
> > > >This is meaningless, and one of the reasons why I rarely read
> > > >posts.I
> > > >
> > > ><yawn>
> > >
> > > Please tell me how on earth you expect me to believe this.
> > Sharon's view of Eckankar's teaching is inverted. That's not news
> > know, but it's worth saying anyway. (The obvious needs to besaid!
> > <g>). Divine Spirit is One. All Being is of That. Everythingelse
> > (including the teaching of Eckankar) is but a reflection.Well, we need to take into consideration exactly *why* eckists do this
> Another Eckist telling us "what Eckankar really is," and how others
> opinions about Eckankar (no matter how well supported by quotes from
> the LEMs) is just plain wrong.
> No arrogance there.
they've been thoroughly indoctrinated with the "missionary" agenda,
aren't even aware of how they *know* <gg> what should be given to the
public, and what needs to be held back. Heck, Klemp instructs them
in deception - see
http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/eckankarsurvivors/handout6.html - and
are many other places where Klemp shows how well he follows current
marketing "wisdom", as well as the marketing techniques Twitch already
built into his cult.
Anyway, this reminds me of a good example from awhile back, where
totally contradicts Klemp in the "secret discourses" for the public,
then refuses to discuss it!!
Subject: Re: The Dubious Morality of Discourse Secrecy
From: "Sharon2000" <brighttigr...@...>
Date: 17 Mar 2002 15:47:47 GMT
"HU 4 God" <hu4...@...> wrote:
> I've learned that discussing things with some members of thisnewsgroup
> goes nowhere. It would not matter what I say or believe thediscourses
> are saying to me because some folks here just want to twist thoughtsand
> ideas around to suit their "agenda".But, Jackie, you usually have no problem discussing things!
> In Spirit,
What Klemp writes in that discourse quite obviously is *not* what
getting from it "on the inner" -- quite the opposite, in fact!
So...why don't you just pretend I'm a newbie at Satsang, and you're
Arahata, and you're asked wait a minute, if the "outer" stuff isn't
important, then why is this discourse saying something entirely
I'll repost the discourse below. Maybe you'll want to explain a bit
how you got your interpretation, because otherwise, well...anyone who
at what Harold says in the discourse is going to think that you've
a bit of a reading comprehension problem.
From: Sharon2000 (brighttigr...@... )
Subject: Re: Nolo Contendre
Newsgroups: alt.religion.eckankar, alt.eckankar, alt.support.ex-cult
Date: 2002-03-03 12:21:57 PST
"HU 4 God" <hu4...@...> wrote:
> I've decided not to respond to Sharon's questions because it goesonto
> deaf ears and because she is trying to get me to discuss privateIn other words, if someone isn't going to agree with you, you're not
going to talk to them?
Isn't that an attitude sort of like Klemp's in the discourse, where
just because the young man questioned Rebizarre's age, Klemp took it
as an attack on his own spiritual gianthood?
I realize you and other cult members are forbidden to discuss the
discourses, but that's not exactly fair to the people you're trying to
recruit into the cult, is it?
But...you're just doing what Klemp instructs. To deceive people to
their attention, and not to tell them some things at first, like the
threats in the "teachings", or the copyrighted cult words...you're
to use "God" and "Holy Spirit" in public, not "Sugmad" and "Eck".
> She posts one story with a small explanation from Haroldhighlighted
> without "the rest of the story" so of course her points are
> to venom.I posted a whole discourse on the subject of the importance of going
seminars and classes. A young man didn't want to go, although he said
still "loved the eck" and wanted to remain a member, but a "silent"
Sort of like what you advised someone to do, and what other members
*they* do, all the time.
Klemp says otherwise, Jackie. Plain and simple. My "venom" has
do with it. Delete the "venom" and read what Klemp has to say. Of
he spews a bit of venom out himself, but that's okay. He's a
So, what's "the rest of the story" that I left out?
You don't have to respond, Jackie. The discourse says it all. Like
says on the last page: "This discourse has been authored by and
under the supervision of the Living ECK Master, Sri Harold Klemp. It
the Word of ECK."
Your refusal to answer questions regarding material which contradicts
you and other members say to try to attract new members also proves
believe the old threat that used to be printed on the discourses
Klemp toned down the strong wording from "To reveal its contents to
outside your immediate household of ECK study class will halt any
growth you may have" to "It is for your own spiritual benefit and may
shared only with those in your immediate household or ECK Satsang
No, Jackie, it's not necessary that you answer my questions. People
read "The Word of ECK" and see for themselves. I'll repost it below
those who may have missed it.
Re: Out of Eck in '73
Friday 7:35 PM
Newsgroups: alt.religion.eckankar, alt.eckankar, alt.support.ex-cult
"HU 4 God" <hu4...@...> wrote:
> Sorry Sharon but your pov is NOT mine and I do not agree with yourIt's not *my* assessment, Jackie. It's the "Word of ECK" - Harold
> "assessment". I remember that story from the private discourse and
> Harold meant the boy had to find his OWN way. Now if your version
> doesn't have that in it, then maybe it's not complete.
quite clear that the kid needs to go to classes & seminars. It's not
all about the boy "finding his own way". And my version is the same
yours -- this was one of Klemp's "new" discourse series, with his
on the first page.
Feel free to compare your copy with what I'll be posting here, and
perhaps where mine isn't "complete". And I'd also like some
on what makes you come to the conclusion that you arrived at, because
most certainly *not* anything in the discourse.
I think this discourse is making two very important points. 1) You
do the "org" stuff, and 2) You *must* believe everything the cult
> > "HU 4 God" <hu4...@...> wrote:each
> > > If you don't want to be a member anymore, just don't sign up
> > > year. Besides, being an ECKist does not mean you have to beactive on
> > > the outer. IMO living the live of ECK is a personal one and canbe
> > > done privately. Many people step aside from the outerorganizational
> > > activities and just do their own "thing". That's ok too.member,
> > Sorry, Jackie, but it's NOT okay, according to Klemp.
> > Klemp took a whole secret members-only discourse to address this
> > subject, concerning a young man who "wanted to remain a silent
> > not coming to ECK classes or ECK seminars." (Note the use of ECKto
> > mean the ORGANIZATION, not "holy spirit".)Harold
> > From Letters of Light & Sound 2, #10, "A Passion for God", by
> > Klemp:day
> > "The other day, a young man faced me with his doubts about the
> > teachings of ECK. Born into an ECK family, he had enjoyed every
> > spiritual advantage. His birth into the beginnings of the modern-
> > movement of ECKANKAR had apparently made it too easy for him. Heour
> > missed out on the long search for God that many of us make before
> > first meeting with the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master. He was atthe
> > age of youthful rebellion.we
> > (in bold print) THIS YOUNG ECKIST HAD LOST HIS PASSION FOR GOD.
> > This young ECKist had lost his passion for God. How thoughtlessly
> > often brush aside the gifts of life, such as youth, health,wanted to
> > intelligence, but especially the most precious gift of all---the
> > straight-line path to God.
> > However, he was not leaving ECK for another path. His passing
> > knowledge of various paths did not include a desire to join them,
> > because they did not measure up to the teachings of ECK. He
> > continue as a member of ECKANKAR. Yet he wanted to remain asilent
> > member, not coming to ECK classes or ECK seminars.see
> > There was no point in arguing. On the contrary, it was amusing to
> > the voice of inexperience speak up in defiance of ECK, for that iswhat
> > it was."The discourse continues:
"Soul insists upon having Its experiences. By his vain challenge of
this youth was putting blocks in his own way, making trouble for
refusing to accept God's love. Yet it was his right. Doing such a
only proves the need for more spiritual experience."
(Pretty harsh & judgmental of Klemp, isn't it?)
"The teachings of ECK were his since he was a baby. Its truth was the
and substance of his spiritual being.
Asked whether he had a clear-cut question in mind, he was quick to
his love for ECK, but the age of Rebazar Tarzs was a concern."
(Hmmmmm....so, it's more than the kid just wanting to do it "on the
He dared to ask a question, to not accept blindly....but says he still
loves "the eck". So what's Klemp getting all bent out of shape for?
"Was Rebazar actually five hundred years old? Did he pass his time in
little shack up in the Himalayas, content with an occasional cup of
a handful of rice for nourishment? It was hard to believe. Further,
would not believe it unless Rebazar told him so in person. The young
would wait for an answer, even if it took eighty years.
"Wait if you like," I said, "but also get on with your life."
(bold header) The story about Rebazar
The story about Rebazar, his hut, and his modest diet are the
under which Paul Twitchell met this ECK Master years ago. Yet Rebazar
other Masters of the Vairagi Order usually live among people, for that
where the spiritual need is. They dress in ordinary clothes, not in
To be effective as Co-workers with God, they try to look like everyone
else. But they carry the gift of divine love. When the need arrises,
often appear at a critical moment to give of God's blessings, asking
nothing in return.
Our young friend still has much to learn about selfless love for God.
(Note: "learn about selfless love for God" is in bold print.)
(?????? So, Klemp is telling this young man that simply because he
*proof* of Reb's existence, he's not quite up to snuff on "selfless
love"???? Excuse me??? Now, when I was a cult member I neither
believed nor disbelieved in Rebazar. It wasn't important to me. Of
course, at the time I didn't know that a lot of the stuff Reb "told"
Twitchell had already been published in works by other authors! )
Klemp continues --
"Rebazar may eventually reply to his question about about longevity,
the ECK Masters well understand human nature and its pride. People
they know it all."
(Of course, Klemp has to get in his little digs about this young man
dares to ask questions!)
"Back in the Dark Ages, a person used to be old at thirty. Yet the
life span has pushed upward over the centuries, until in the past
it is common to hear of people a hundred or more. by comparison to
Adepts, even Shigechiyo Izumi, a Japanese man who lived to 120, was a
tender youth. China supposedly has the records of a man who died well
the age of two hundred years. But these are ordinary people. Some
Masters have gone beyond those age limits by immortalizing their
reclaim youth and health for better service to SUGMAD in this world."
(What's this supposed to "prove", Klemp? That just because there is
documentation of some 120 year old Japanese guy, that means first of
that there *is* a Rebazar, and secondly that he *is* 500 years old?
People are supposed to believe you, and Twitch? No questions
"They do it out of a strong passion for God."
(??? Really? Prove it, Klemp!! First of all, there is *no* proof
they exist. On the contrary, considering their "words" were already
by others, in previously published & copyrighted books, well...c'mon,
should be thankful that this kid at least wants to remain a member,
he *does* want proof of Reb!)
(Now---here comes Klemp with some irrelevant examples, probably to
the kid to want to "achieve" these experiences for himself---and after
examples, Klemp will point out to the kid that it's just not possible
without going to meetings and classes.)
"In others, however, this passion for life occurs within a more normal
span. An example is St. Francis of Assisi, who lived in the
century. Often while in prayer, the rapture of God lifted him from
ground to varying heights, from a few feet to higher than a tree. St.
Catherine of Genoa, some three centuries later, felt a passion for God
manifested itself as a body heat of high intensity. Once, after
her burning hands into a pitcher of cool water, the water turned hot.
Another person with a passion for God was St. Teresa. Divine love
lifted her from her body (Soul Travel), giving mixed feelings of
and fear. She once described leaving the human body as delicious, yet
still frightened her, especially when her rapture came in public.
Soul Travel lifted her from the human body, which sometimes had the
effect of physical levitation. She took great care not to let people
her. Yet her passion for God remained strong, because her experiences
of great sweetness, if she could raise the courage not to resist them.
(Amazing, isn't it? Where does Klemp look for real, living examples
"Soul Travel"? To that dead "lower" path, Catholicism!!! <ggg>
isn't it fascinating that although there are supposedly all these
ancient "Vairagi ECK Masters" sneaking around doing good deeds, for
odd reason there is absolutely *no* records *anywhere* of either their
existence *or* their deeds. On the other hand, there is tons & tons
stuff on the Catholic saints -- hundreds of them. They left a lot of
*original* writings, too. They didn't find it necessary to
Paul Twitchell's bedroom and "dictate" the words of other authors.
kept diaries & stuff. And other people left eyewitness accounts. The
Catholic Church has a lot of stringent requirements for granting
They don't accept monthly "dream journal" entries, or the claims of
Mexican woman who sees Jesus in her tortilla. However, the message
*is* quite clear -- Klemp is telling the kid that he doesn't love God
enough. Perhaps the problem is the kid said he loves "the ECK".
"An ECKist from Africa once posted a question to an American audience.
you know the difference between ECK initiates in America and in
he asked. (in bold print) "In America, you try to put the ECK in your
lives. In Africa, we put our lives in the ECK!" <unbold> A simple
(Okay, now what is this saying? Remember, the kid said he wanted to
a member, a silent member, not go to classes & seminars. That's all.
said he still loved "the eck". African members are frequently held
good examples to the lazy Americans -- for example, in one story Klemp
expressed admiration for an African HI who made "his" chelas memorize
"teachings" so thoroughly that they could spew forth seminar talks
preparation, on demand. And there are lots of stories about how
are packed, and new temples being built, etc. Now, thinking about
difference between putting "eck in your lives" and putting your "lives
the eck", in the context of the subject of this discourse, seems to me
it does NOT mean just having "holy spirit" in your life, as you
said it was okay to do as a member, which is why I'm posting this.
Klemp is saying is....the organization, meetings, classes, seminars,
*are* important! And if you don't attend them, obviously you do NOT
And....for the life of me, I can NOT understand the relevance of what
"Not so long ago, someone threw a dart at the Mahanta, the Living ECK
Master. "He likes his job too much!" this person said. This news was
than amusing. <bold> The Master devotes his entire life to helping
make their own lives richer and more spiritually fulfilling, <unbold>
what sort of Master would be be who would not enjoy doing that?"
(???? What's this got to do with the subject this discourse
started on??? Let's see now...)
<bold header> Life requires a passion for God
"Life requires a passion for God. The Mahanta has it, which often
others, who are unhappy with their own relationship with God, try to
him down a peg. It is the social mind at its worst. The engine that
drives this envy is the human consciousness, which uses every trick in
futile attempt to reduce a spiritual giant to the level of the critic
(Good grief!!!! Why did I never recognize these paranoid rantings
was a member? Seems to me the kid in the beginning didn't have a
"problem" with either his relationship with God, *or* with wanting to
remain a cult member. He just wanted to be a "silent" member and not
classes & seminars, which publicly, cult members will tell you is
all right. All the kid did was question Reb's age!!! He didn't even
question Reb's existence....just his age!!! And Klemp seems to be
interpreting this as a personal attack against "The Master"?!?!?!?)
"At the beginning of this discourse, you read of the young man with
about the age of Rebazar Tarzs, the Tibetan ECK Master. Now let's
another side. Originally from a mainline Christian church, this
now an ECK initiate, too, but with fewer years in ECK than the young
This person came to ECK the hard way: after years of searching and
disappointment in his search for truth."
(Comment here: the cult DOES teach quite clearly that *everyone* who
the cult in this incarnation *has* spend hundreds or thousands of
incarnations, searching in vain, and that they have *earned* their
peoplehood whether they know it or not. Klemp also strokes the
members excessively, even telling them that they may indeed be much
spiritually than their elders.)
"He frankly enjoys the company of the people at the ECK Center. They
to speak about the SUGMAD, the Mahanta, and the Light and Sound of ECK
and do so without reservation.
The first time he sang HU (the ancient love song to God) at an
Worship Service, a purple light appeared in his Spiritual Eye.
Purple is one of the many colors of the Light of God, and in
saw a soaring eagle. This was his introduction to ECK. He
compared his activity in ECK to his involvement in his old
where he used to have to listen a lot. A few elders, who
more direct line to the Word of God, preached at him and the
congregation. They let no one else speak about their own
experiences. The minister even warned a member once not to
with this person, because the latter's ideas ran counter to
of the church.
(Hmmmm....interesting little story, huh? Klemp's filling a double
here....telling the kid (a bad example) about a cool experience a
example of a member had at a "worship" service, and getting in his
digs at Christianity. Funny thing, though, I've never heard
pastors claiming they had a more direct line to God -- that's
reserved for the LEMs!!!! Really!!!! Plenty of quotes about that -
you can only "connect" with paid membershp. This stuff sounds more
the pot calling the kettle black, you know?)
"Shortly after his experience with the Light of God at the ECK Worship
Service, he again saw the purple light at a worship service: this
his regular church. The Light of God opened his heart. It flooded
with a divine wisdom unknown to him before, so he asked his minister
permission to speak to the rest about it.
Of course not," the minister replied. "The people cannot understand
wisdom, because they are not open enough to receive it."
(Puh-leeze!!! I think this story is bullshit. On the other hand,
knows? I mean, right here at alt.religion.eckankar we've got "Sri
- would Klemp let him speak at the "temple"? <ggg>)
"Yet at the ECK book discussion classes, he had found an easy
his spiritual view amaong the members of ECK. Little of what he said
his inner experiences was of any surprise to them. One ECKist or
had had a similar experience at some time or other, so they understood
and his new insights into the wonderful ways of Divine Spirit. Though
rest of his family still attend their old church, he tries to be a
husband and father, because he, in turn, understands their fear of
rejection. They are afraid of what people in their church would say
they left it for ECKANKAR."
(In spite of Klemp's constant digs about the insincerity of members of
other religions, which may perhaps stem from his *own* need for
outer approval, I daresay if you ask most members of other religions
they stay, they'll tell you about the spiritual fulfillment they find
there. Try it -- I did! And being fulfilled spiritually in their
religion of choice, why would they leave it for a silly new-age cult?)
"This man is very fortunate. Although he has been in ECKANKAR for a
shorter time than the young man mentioned earlier, he has seen Rebazar
(Yeah...all because he's a good little eckboy and goes to meetings!)
<bold header> The ECK Master came to him in a dream.
The ECK Master came to him in a dream. Rebazar struck him as a warm
being with a beautiful personality. The ECK Master spoke to him like
friend, as if they had known each other for years -- although it was
dreamer's first conscious recall of Rebazar. The man's wife and
were in the dream, too. They stood on a riverbank, downstream, near
place that Rebazar Tarzs had met them. The dreamer gazed into the
water where fish swam, while Rebazar gave him some instructions on
well as the wisdom of God.
(Of course, if you hang out with enough cult members & really absorb
"teachings" you can talk yourself into just about anything. Heck ....
my late teens & 20's "programming" my dreams was a fun thing, but...
was doing was *fiction*.)
The discourse continues:
"This ECK initiate is grateful for his Christian background. How else
could he <bold> fully appreciate the wealth of spiritual experiences
<unbold> that are now his in ECKANKAR?"
(Yep...another subtle "dart" thrown at the mediocrity of his former
"Since his first experience with the purple light (Etheric Plane, the
of intuition right below the Soul Plane), he has seen the golden light
God. The divine colors have opened him to an appreciation of the
meaning behind the Living ECK Master's words at public seminars."
(NOTE HERE Klemp's using the phrase "at public seminars". He's
home the point that the seminars are important. Not just reading the
published talks in eckbooks. These three little words show quite
that Klemp is *very* focused on the subject of telling members they
go to classes & seminars.)
"This gentleman has made a good beginning on the road home to God.
Mahanta has since met him in the dream state, bringing peace, wisdom,
(In contrast to the bad young man, huh?)
<bold header> A passion for God finds its roots in the desire for
"A passion for God finds its roots in the desire for spiritual
seeker may spend years searching for truth, only to meet with
disappointment time and again. Then, unexpectedly, comes a new
Ten years ago, a young woman began her own search for God.
Every morning she walked four miles, trying to adjust to life again
breaking up with an old boyfriend. One morning during her walk, she
entered a state of bliss. It brought a powerful sense of peace and
if she had stumbled into a perfect world of happiness. Her thoughts
turned to God. That was unusual, because she rarely thought about
she heard herself say, "OK, God! If you exist, prove it to me." She
promised to join whatever religion God wanted her to.
After awhile, her spiritual search led her to a church that focuses
metaphysics. She had the good fortune to study under a woman who had
certain skills in that area, which taught her a lot and prepared her
ECKANKAR later. While a member of that church, a very odd thing began
happen to her when she was driving in her car, working at the office,
staying at home. A voice inside her would suddenly say "I have to go
I have to go home." The words came repeatedly.
Later, after ECKANKAR came into her life, these words from her inner
began to abate.
Thus after a few years at that metaphysical church, this young woman
it to continue her restless search for spiritual freedom. She asked
for a Master to show her the path of love. In a bookstore, a few days
later, she found Paul Twitchell's ECKANKAR---the Key to Secret Worlds.
bought the book and read it in two days. A week later, she signed up
membership in ECK.
(Hmmmm...note that one!! She signed up for membership...in ECK?
Shouldn't Klemp be saying ECKANKAR here? This is just one more of
of example showing how the cult conflates ECK and ECKANKAR, and in
minds, although they say publicly "eck" means "Holy Spirit", that's
exactly true. ECK is a copyrighted cult word. The cult claims its
spirit" is "higher" than "non-eck holy spirit". etc.)
"Sometime later, she boarded a plane to fly to the annual ECK
Seminar. Her life was sunshine and roses."
(Puhleeze!!! This is a riot!!!)
"At the seminar on Friday, she went into the main hall to listen to
music and the afternoon talks. She sat down alone, shut her eyes, and
immediately found herself in a beautiful valley with a river running
through it. The Mahanta was by the river waiting for her, so she
to him. He put his arm around her and said, "You are home." Then
Tarzs and other ECK Masters also came up to embrace her, saying, "You
home." Their greetings moved her to tears. She knew then, no matter
turmoil might come later, ECK was for her.
This inner experience made sense of the inner voice that used to speak
her desire to go home. She returned to that river on the inner planes
during that seminar weekend, <bold> encircled by the love of ECK.
(Dontcha just love these stories!! <ggg> Are they any more true
those testimonials from women who increased their bustlines 5" in
days? Hey...those things *work*!!! They show pictures!!!)
Before her experiences at the ECK seminar, she had not been much of a
visual person: no dreams, no memory of other inner travels, not even
guided visualizations led by others in the ECK classes. Yet that
at the ECK seminar taught her that <bold> ECKANKAR is the path of
The love of the Mahanta won't end all doubts, however, for they crop
during each new period of spiritual testing.
(In other words, bad young man, you *must* go to the seminars if you
to see Reb!! Now...what's this "spiritual testing" thing? To be
brief, it's "doubts" implanted either by the KAL to lure you away, or
there by the "Master" for your spiritual growth. "Success" means
rid of the doubts, accepting 100% whatever the cult hands out, and
a loyal member....and going to seminars, and spending your money, and
"During a recent time of testing, she debated whether to leave
when some ECKists in her hometown were having to jump through their
spiritual hoops and not doing a good job of it. An inner nudge from
Mahanta said, "Patience."
At a Day with ECK a while later, she again felt the warm, familiar
the Mahanta encircle her as the ECK program began.
Listening to the program, she shut her eyes. The Mahanta and Rebazar
into her spiritual vision, carrying a brown box. The Mahanta opened
carefully and took out a large crystal heart that radiated with light.
Lovingly, he placed it inside her. It produced a deep effect: She
once inside it, but it was also within her. This experience filled
with love, for she again had the gentle, loving guidance of the
the Living ECK Master, and all the other ECK Masters.
<bold> Her desire is to find spiritual freedom in this lifetime.
She wants to serve SUGMAD with the same patience, grace, and love that
ECK Masters have shown her, teaching and helping her on her return to
(Yes, bad unappreciative young man who dares to question, and doesn't
to go to seminars & classes, we can see here that of course you are
going to deserve a visit from Reb unless you go to these things. No,
can NOT remain a good member "on the inner". You can have all the
"ecksperiences" and "spiritual freedom" you want, as long as you
seminars and classes. )
Okay, Jackie, you said:
> > > Besides, being an ECKist does not mean you have to be active onthe
> > > outer. IMO living the live of ECK is a personal one and can bedone
> > > privately. Many people step aside from the outer organizationalI think this discourse makes it quite clear that you're opinion is
> > > activities and just do their own "thing". That's ok too.
in line with the high-vibe Word of THE ECK by Harold Klemp, the
the Living ECK Master, in the members-only discourses.
I could also post tons of quotes from both the public and "private"
discourses & publications showing how you *do* need to be active on
"outer" to achieve true "success" in the cult. In other words, it's
path of god-realization through recruiting new members. This began
Twitch in his early discourses "Letters to a Chela" *and* "Wisdom
to mention just two.
Whoops....I didn't include "This Month's Exercise" at the end of the
discourse. I'll post it too, just in case you want to say that's
you got your ideas from:
"Your spiritual exercise for this month begins with reading a passage
Stranger by the River. Open the book at will. Read wherever the page
opens, because the Mahanta has a special message for you there.
Put yourself in the shoes of the seeker. Feel his passion for God.
Just now, for example, the page broke open at these words from Rebazar
the seeker and his beloved. They are from "The Trembling of a Star,"
of my favorite chapters:
"If ye walk the middle path of understanding, ye will arrive at the
the worldly wheel of birth and death, and be like the star that
the sky of this early morning, or the river that flows between the
and down through the valley to empty into the sea!"
Until next time,
With love and affection,
That reminds me, someone auctioning off SBTR at E-bay commented that
plagiarized from Steinbeck, and I need to check into that more.
> >forward in
> > "In the same way that one serves the ECK by putting the name
> > signs, bumper stickers, T-shirts, jewelry, etc., and makes thename
> > common, so too can those serve who have only money to give andcannot
> > go about actively." (Letters to a Chela, another secret holyYeah, this link doesn't work. They're making changes at Delphi, and I
> > members-only discourse series, see
> ><http://www.delphiforums.com/eckankartruth>) NOTE: correct URL is:
> > <http://forums.delphiforums.com/eckankartruth> !!
think they want you to register & sign in before you can get to any of
forums. Well...I'll have to do something else. If anyone wants to
LC, you can do an advanced Google group search and simply put "Letters
Chela" in the "subject" line, and "alt.religion.eckankar" in the
line, and you'll get 'em. Ditto with "Wisdom Notes".
> "Sharon2000" <brighttigr...@...> wrote in messagethe
> > Let's use a recent occurrence right here at a.r.e. to demonstrate
> > cult's "inner". I recently had a brief exchange with Jackie, whotold
> > someone it's okay to be a member and not "do" the "outer" stuff.I
> > posted a whole discourse where Klemp makes it quite clear themeetings
> > and seminars *are* necessary to have "ecksperiences", where heblasts a
> > young man who dared to question Rebizarre's age, and lambastes himshe
> > thoroughly for wanting to be a member "on the inner" and not go to
> > classes and seminars.
> > Jackie not only refused to discuss the discourses, and explain how
> > got such a contradictory "message" from this discourse...she alsomade
> > a silly paranoid little comment about how she wasn't going to letme
> > "lure" her into discussing the discourses! Sort of like...the BigBad
> > Kal Agent was trying to get her to sin or something! <ggg>--
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