Re: Ah talks funny sometimes...
- --- In email@example.com, tygerpurr <no_reply@...>
> No the Xeckankar group was formed after Colleen's
> Her group was private and the focus was more on recoveryissues. It
> had a therapeutic affect, although not the same aspsychotherapy. I am
> sure that Colleen would not have treated me the same way asthe
> original owner of "Xeckankar". Now I have added "The Chainsof Eck" to
> the title. Sorry about any confusion. I am reluctant to state thepseudonyms?
> person's name, even though who really knows, with so many
> As I have stated in a previous post, some ex eckists are reallyjust
> posers and imposters, Trolls. I'd say that there is good reasonto be
> careful whom you communicate with. I know that Colleenwouldn't have
> let Cher and Rich in her group, knowingly. She also would nothave
> directed so much hostility at me either. I know that for a fact.But
> what you say about HCS is certainly true, unfortunately. Thanksfor
> your comments and feedback, Leaf.What an amazing experience you had!
> Tygerpurr ; )
BTW, I had not thought it was Colleen who allowed Rich and
Cher into the group. I just assumed there was someone else
involved, and I sensed you had good reasons to leave out the
name of whoever did this.
It is a little confusing!
> --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "tomleafeater"
> ><no_reply@> wrote:
> > --- In email@example.com, tygerpurr
> > >eckankar
> > > Hi Leaf,
> > >
> > > was at first reluctant as how to respond to your "ah"
> > > query.
> > >What are the differences between some of the anti
> > > groups? In my case I was asked to take over the group. Atthe time
> > > there was a lot of strife between the original owner of thencosmic,
> > Xeckankar
> > > and Higher Consciosness Society, as well as some legal,
> > karmicthought
> > > etc. retorts from a spokesperson for HCS.
> > I should have realized it was the group Colleen formed. I'd
> > Colleen ended that group awhile back. The group was set upfor ex-
> > members who wanted to have some privacy to voice thierthoughts.
> > I do recall that HCS went on the warpath against Colleen,
> > her with lawsuits, due to her having questions about the truemotives
> > and intentions of the group. Touchy, touchy. Religions andother such
> > groups are all for freedom of speech unless that speech isn'tin
> > their favor. So, its okay for Ford to write a book exposing theLane), but
> > underbelly of eckankar (drawing largely upon the work by
> > those who, in turn, might have questions about the intentionsof HCS
> > have no right to voice their thoughts? Hmmmph. Sounds likebusiness
> > as usual.eckankar.
> > >Anyway, I was asked and like
> > > a dummy I said OK. My focus is more on anti cult and anti
> > > Next I knew I was being attacked from all sides, ex eckistand pro
> > > eckist. I was new to all of this stuff and I still do notunderstand
> > > completely why I became such a target for hostility. Grundieand
> > > Cyborsailor were given open membership before theoriginal owner
> > left,Radhasoami
> > > a lot of posters left and those who remain are either ex
> > orof anti
> > > just lurkers.??? HOwever, I decided that the group had a lot
> > > cult information and that even if there was not a lot ofactivity,
> > itEckankar Truth.
> > > was worth keeping and would probably lead most to
> > >members? Those two
> > That sounds reasonable. SailorBoy and Cher became
> > eckankar pit-bulls (sorry Rich, if you're monitoring) would bea
> > recipe for disaster for an ex-eckankar group. No wonder theto yours
> > participants jumped ship (no pun intended, heh, heh).
> > > My views on cults and spiritual philosophy are very similar
> > > and probably to David Lane as well. I believe that doubtdefinitely
> > > has it's place in spirituality. I read a book by Sam Keen, andhe
> > > called it "potent doubt". Hell, my cat has more sense than Idid
> > whenonmiscience and
> > > it comes to eckankult.
> > Yes...Eckists are taught that they're on the road to
> > all-knowingness, but also are led to doubt everything thatisn't
> > eckankar. So Eckists do have doubts, so long as it isn'teckankar
> > that they're doubting. What is fairly obvious is doubt andbelief are
> > two sides of the same coin. Doubt is obviously healthy, untilone is
> > sure of one's footing. Should a person walk out on a frozenlake
> > before checking the thickness of the ice?that the
> > >
> > > I can also say that I have experienced the negative effect
> > > malicious eck cult has had on my family and others. Someare able to
> > > just walk away. For me it has not been that easy; I feltstrongly
> > > enough that some of us had to stay and speak out againstthe lies
> > andclaim to
> > > deception that abound in eckankar.
> > >
> > > I am also increasingly having a hard time with some of the
> > > substitutions for eckankar as those who have left eckankult
> > > have moved on and complain about those of us who stillspeak out in
> > > the hopes of catching and helping those who may strayfrom the flock
> > > and give them information and support. Ramtha etc. is notfor me.
> >eckankar with
> > When one considers the scores of people who have left
> > severe criticism, there's bound to be a reason, eh? There isnothing
> > wrong with voicing concerns about eckankar. People wholeave eckankar
> > have gained valid experience that they have a right to share.In my
> > view it is entirely appropriate. Back when I became interestedin
> > eckankar, if there had been former members speaking outabout
> > eckankar and warning people about it, I might have neverwasted so
> > much time in eckankar."New Age"
> > But
> > > I am not pushing any other religion, organized or even
> > bunk.spiritual
> > > I have had my share of "mystical" experiences as well as
> > > insights, but am not into claims of the grandiose kind. If Istart
> > > levitating and it is not a lucid dream or an OBE, then I'llmake
> > suremy
> > > that it is proven in a science laboratory and you will find out
> > > true identity in the news. LOL ; )infiltrators I am
> > >
> > > I hope this helps. Because of past problems with
> > > often reluctant to accept membership from people who tryto hide
> > theirgroups.
> > > emails from the moderator.
> > >
> > > Oh, and I am really big on questioning authority!<gg>
> > >
> > > Tygerpurr ; )
> > >
> > > Xeckankar: The Chains of Eck (see in links)
> > >
> > Thanks for the reply. I understand better now about the other
> > Leaf
> > > --- In firstname.lastname@example.org, "tomleafeater"
> > wrote:interested to
> > > >
> > > > Well, Ah's just an eckist from ways back, and ah's
> > > > see what goes on here. It's been many months sinceah's
> > > > checked in here.as well.
> > > >
> > > > Spent most of my time at a.r.e., and was sporadic there
> > > > My interest has come and gone, then come again, withthese
> > > > eckankar groups. Got sick of them all for awhile.Boredom...well,
> > > > I'm happy to be able to say I get bored easily, now that noone
> > > > will admonish me--there was a time when, in eckankar,dreamt
> > > > boredom was a sign of some vague malignancy that Gail
> > > > up in a talk she gave. Well, Gail would probably bore meif she's
> > > > still on the planet. Or maybe not. She'd have somefascinatin'
> > > > stories to tell. And I'd most likely have a thing or two to tellwhat
> > her,
> > > > yes, indeed.
> > > >
> > > > So, here I am, peerin' into eckankartruth. Tryin' to see
> > truthattracted
> > > > there may be lurkin' beneath the surface. Eckankar has
> > > > and ejected a different sort of species in the last fewyears. I
> > > > predicted that--not that I'm psychic, just that I reasonedthat
> > withspeak,
> > > > a different marketing style, a different product, so to
> > > > different people would become interested.Since
> > > >
> > > > So, anyway, I've a question for y'all. What is the difference
> > > > between the three ex-eckankar groups that now exist?
> > > > there are three, there must be a difference between them,that
> > > > is, a purpose for them to exist.order to
> > > >
> > > > People might want to know which group offers what, in
> > > > decide.things
> > > >
> > > > Ah's always been a curious one...and ah's always seen
> > > > beneath the surface. Ah also talks funny sometimes...
> > > >
> > > > Leaf
> > > >
> > >
- In a message dated 4/4/2006 12:28:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, email@example.com writes:
>I am reluctant to state the
person's name, even though who really knows, with so many pseudonyms?
As I have stated in a previous post, some ex eckists are really just
posers and imposters, Trolls. Tygerpurr ; )Hi Tygerpurr, I know the individual you are speaking of... and she is no longer an eckist, and wasn't when she formed the group. I think she just has some Mental issues to deal with! And I say that nicely.... I was privy to the *behind the scenes* issues, had to hear about the rift, and honestly I wasn't surprised by her wackiness! I was even at one time helping her co moderate that group. About those pictures..... ;-) BTW I deleted my "Let Your Spirit Soar" group a very long time ago, and notice it is still listed in your links. I was thinking about re joining your group under my real name, once I get my eye sight back to normal.FreeToSeekTruth aka Liz