Re: Graham's various postings - RESPONSE FROM HCS 1
- --- In X-Eckankar@yahoogroups.com, "al_zunki" <al_zunki@y...> wrote:
> From Albert:Ford
> Response to Various postings Regarding One Publishing, HCS and
> JohnsonHi Ya'll - this is a eckankar-flavored control drama if I ever read
> Recent postings by Graham Forsyth and others on this and other
> have been brought to our attention. The misrepresentations putforth
> have compelled us to speak directly to these issues.Anthropomorphic bullshit - misrepresenations cannot compell you to
do anything. You compell yourselves.
> As a legalThe newest LEM/not LEM? The 14th Initiate Graham Forsyth?
> researcher, assisting ONE Publishing, Inc. and the Higher
> Consciousness Society, I was directly involved in negotiations and
> communications with Graham Forsyth,
> both as it related to his bookThe latest Mahanta Consciousness is a liar?
> and during his early association with Ford Johnson and HCS.
> Graham has not only misrepresented the facts
> but many of histhan
> representations are patently false.
> Grahams Involvement with Ford Johnson and HCS
> I preface these remarks by indicating our collective regret that
> Graham has chosen this public forum to air his grievances rather
> dealing with them in a direct, professional, dignified andThe legal researcher is defining what is spiritual for a 14th
> spiritually uplifting way.
initiate? You regret public communication because the dirty laundry
should be kept private? First of all though I liked Ford alot in my
eck-days, I haven't found any signifcant leverage after having read
his book to hook up. I tried to sign up for your board anonymously
and since you require my shirt size and shoe size and I didn't give
it, I've been rejected. Whatever. It's smart for any person in a
position of power NOT to play someone else's game. I'm sure Ford,
et.al. is doing just that. The challenge arises when you narrow
your own game so much (and it's a game based on other people playing)
that it's difficult to play (not user friendly) that people often
just don't play. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. Lets read
more of what HCS's legal research has to say...
> Graham's journal was the startinghas
> for a sequence of events, which led to Harold Klemp's rejection
> his inner experiences. This, in turn, triggered Ford Johnson's
> search for the truth behind Eckankar and other religions, and the
> publication of his book, Confessions of a God Seeker. This book
> impacted thousands around the world.Do you want a towel to dry off your mouth from having tooted the HCS
horn so loudly or are you a compulsive advertising agent - just
can't help but plug Ford's thing?
> From the very beginning, the relationship between them was
> In one of his first correspondences to Ford Johnson, Graham wrote
> following communication:in
> "Dear Ford,
> Firstly I would like to thank you for the interest you have shown
> regard to the experiences that I have gone through. There isnobody
> more aware of their implications and sensitivity then I and, may Itrouble
> say here, that it does not lay easy on my shoulders. There are
> things that have been given which would be a cause for much
> if they were given out openly. It is not my intention to do this,it
> never was, yet I have been asked to place these experiences infront
> of Sri Harold. When M__ V____, and L___ K___ spoke very highly ofcautious
> you it seemed a good idea to approach you. At first I was
> about what to give you, I honestly do not want to cause troublefor
> anyone, therefore, I was going to hold back on some of thesensitive
> revelations. That was until M___ lent me a video of you givingof
> talks at Milton Keynes. Ford, I am not a man of words, or highly
> educated, so if what I say now sounds false or funny it is because
> my inability to put into words that which I felt towards you. Onhonesty
> seeing the video of you I was struck by your openness and the
> in what you said. I know I was watching a soul who has the utmosthonesty
> commitment to what they were doing. So struck was I by you
> that I realized that if I did not return the same honesty I wouldbe
> doing you an injustice, and that I could not live with." (LetterLetter of appreciation, seems to have been written contextually with
> Ford Johnson from Graham Forsyth, October 21, 2001)
a heartfelt theme...what's your point.
> These words reflect a moment of openness, honesty and truth. We
> were impressed with Graham's sincerity.The emotions card - lets all take a moment for group hug, what's
> We tried in every way toATTENTION READERS: Who owns the HCS "concept" - Ford. Who owns
> involve Graham from the very beginning of the concept of HCS.
Graham's revelation - Graham. Just because you tried to involve him
or he chose to involve himself doesn't mean HCS has strong integrity
or Graham's best interest at heart, or the clearest view of what
Graham's information means to the world. What it does mean is that
Ford took a position and announced it to the world. And,
contextually now it means that HCS attempted to involve Graham and
> In"it was thought" - dangerous anthropomorphic words. Lacks
> fact, he was the first person (besides his wife) that Ford Johnson
> talked to about the idea. As the discussion proceeded, it was
ownership. WHO thought HCS would provide....
that HCS would provide a platform from which both he and Ford
> and all other truth-seekers could put forth their unique spiritual"and all the truth-seekers" LMAO - a heterogeneous metaphyiscal
>Graham was offered the role as a founding member of HCS.That's nice and it didn't work out. "Addressing"
these "misconstructions" as you call it is bad damage control on
HCS's part. Most don't care or aren't that interested. The ones
that might be are feeding off the drama. This kind of rebuttal
keeps the drama going and the sincere interest in some spiritual
truth becomes void.
Harold once said something quite profound (in some contexts at
least) and even though it's been 15 years since I was a player in
eckankar, I still apply it when I can. "It's more important to work
together than to be right." You should have found a way to WORK
with 14th Initiate Graham instead of defaming or alienating him from
your "game". Your spin doctoring is the equivalent of bailing out
water from one end of the boat and dumping it in the other end.
Your end is dry - the boat is still sinking.
> Graham participated in several conference meetings discussing thethe
> organizational structure of HCS and how it should be presented to
> world. No problems or issues were presented by him during theseSo fucking what - you have highlighted the very problem with
philosophy (ideas that may not directly relate to reality).
Something can sound good on paper and still not work in the real
world. Working TOGETHER requires flexibility and a true
appreciation of strengths and weaknesses.
> He was in full support of the idea. In an earlyfeel
> communication regarding HCS, he wrote:
> "Hi Ford,
> .Of all the things that the Higher Consciousness Organization
> offer people, the highest is the freedom to be themselves, and
> confident in being true to their own inner guidance. You saidthat
> it will be a movement that will last for eternity, I agree wholeEternal
> heartedly with you, and the reason it will last for eternity is
> because the real teacher will be the Higher Eternal Self and
> Spirit. If the individual is taught how to find truth withinwritten
> themselves, then noting can become outdated, for nothing is
> down on paper, it is written into their own true being becausetruth
> is their own true being." (E-mail correspondence between Fordfull
> and Graham Forsyth, December 16, 2002)
> It was only later that he began to express some reluctance about
> participation in the organization.As you give us this bright and shinning example of what HCS and
Graham's relationship was...how many examples do you not give. How
much of the story is untold? I don't want Graham or HCS to
be "right" or "wrong". That's 5 year olds drama games. I want
anyone I deal with to be strong and focused and capable. All this
EXPLAINING of how it's someone's fault is not what I would view as
CAPABLE. Ford, if you are reading this post - you need competent
handler. If you pay well, I would consider the position, but not
for the sake of "truth", but for the sake of a quality presentation,
a FUNCTIONING organization, a needs-meeting process... instead of
this pretty-picture bullshit that even mindless people get tired of
paying attention to.
As interest in Confessions rose
> and as the BBs began to find an audience, Graham becameincreasingly
> frustrated in part because of the emphasis on Confessions and alsobook
> because of delays we had encountered in editing and getting his
> out. While he was originally concerned with his freedom to expressand
> what he believed, communications with him allayed these concerns
> he expressed the same in his note to us:to
> "Thank you for the clarification. Knowing that I can speak
> from my own center of understanding and that it will not cause any
> more conflict is a weight off my mind." "Having cleared
> this up, I
> am more at ease and will do all that I can to help in any way. As
> a position in the organisation, please do not feel that I have tobe
> placed at the center of things, I am more used to dark corners andJune
> back rows." "This is the biggest step that I have ever
> had to take
> in my life, but at least I can take it knowing that I can be
> (E-mail correspondence between Ford Johnson and Graham Forsyth,
> 17, 2002)Actions speak louder than words. Words often define intent, actions
always define reality.
>So you lump this 14th initiate in with all the other truth-seekers?
> So, the claim that HCS has tried to limit Graham's freedom of
> expression is false and is further evidenced by his voluminous
> postings on our web sites. Graham, as all other truth-seekers, is
> welcome to post on any of our BBs regardless of whether he is a
> member or not.
You can't deconstruct what Graham "is" without deconstructing some
of the basis of Ford's whole trip which is defined by his book.