7576Re: EK initiations, second guessing and "love" baby!
- Feb 11, 2010This message is a winner. It's great.
The initiations always perplexed me when I was in eckankar. Then one day I realized they are just one more cog in the big wheel of deception and nonsense that is the hallmark of eckankar. No wonder you can't figure it out; it's arbitrary crappola.
--- In email@example.com, "prometheus_973" <prometheus_973@...> wrote:
> Hello Zoey,
> I can understand the confusion. Klemp
> likes to keep his flock off-balance and
> second guessing. Initiations are more
> mental (imaginary) than anything else
> except for one's physical membership
> card with the number of one's plane of
> con. Oh, there are also those physical
> plane "pink slips" too and your computerized
> file with initiation dates, etc. at the ESC.
> [Anyone wanting a printout of these
> dates can call Membership Services
> and a list will be mailed out to you.]
> 1-9 are inner and outer,
> 10-11 are inner only,
> 12 is inner and outer, and
> 13-14 are inner only (and are
> unverifiable except by the EK leader/god).
> Actually, all initiations (and everything EK,
> in general) are specifically (and plane wise)
> unverifiable except by the Klempster.
> Everyone dreams and/or imagines what
> they want, need, or expect.
> In The Masters 4 Discourse, Lesson 2
> is the following:
> "Third, the final part of the Ninth
> Initiation occurs in the physical
> In Klemp's 1998 ECK Lexicon is this
> on page 226:
> "Voice of Akivasha. The oracle, until
> the first of this century, at a craggy,
> unexplored site called the Oracle of
> Tirmer in the Valley of Shangta in
> northern Tibet. It is here that the
> Rod of ECK Power is passed from
> the departing LEM to his successor
> on October 22 [Twitchell's Birthday],
> at midnight; sometimes called the
> Voice, or Oracle, of Tirmer."
> It should be noted that this is a
> physical, earthly, and "outer" location,
> although, it might be claimed that
> one travels there in the Astral Body
> which resembles one's physical body.
> This is why there are paintings and
> drawings of these people. Any body
> higher than the Astral would not
> otherwise have the same identifiable
> (physical) characteristics.
> It should be noted that in Klemp's
> 1987 book, "Soul Travelers of the
> Far Country" on pages 186-187
> Klemp states:
> "The Ninth Initiation came on July 22,
> 1981. Initiations in ECK beyond the
> Eighth are given ONLY on the inner
> Of course, Darwin had to confirm
> HK's 9th on the outer. It seems that
> the 10th and 11th are minor initiations
> since Klemp achieved these between
> July 22, 1981 and October 22, 1981!
> Of course Klemp had to backtrack
> for the Masters 4 Discourse because
> how can one anoint card carrying
> 9ths without an "outer" confirmation
> "final" stage?
> Else wise, everyone would be
> running around claiming to be
> a 9th. It's bad enough that 7ths
> are claiming to be 8ths (on the inner),
> or that 8ths are claiming to be 9ths
> on the inner or that some Eckists
> skip initiations and, thus, there
> are 5ths claiming to be 8ths
> (on the inner).
> I hope that this info and perspective
> has helped to clarify the nonsense
> behind ECK Initiations.
> BTW- It seems that Eckists don't
> really need the Initiations, EK Books
> and Membership Cards, or Zoas,
> or Guidelines, Discourses, or Laws
> or Donations of Coin and Service...
> all they need is love!
> There is a Klemp quote in the
> Jan. 2010 "Letter of Light" that
> "Love is love. And this is what
> the ECK teachings are all about.
> Purely love, and just love. Simply
> Yep! All you need is love! Very
> simple and yet so profound!
> Say, wasn't that Jesus' message
> 2000 years ago?!
> zoey wrote on Eckankar Survivors Anonymous:
> Hey prometheus. Some time back there
> was a discussion here concerning eckankar
> initiations, inner and outer. If you can remember,
> can you tell me which initiations are considered
> entirely inner, and which are required to also
> have an outer initiation with an eck clergy?
> My friend and I are curious about this.
> Thanks, zoey
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